mechaninac Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) YF-23? Where has this appeared? I don't recall ever seeing one before. Edited December 8, 2016 by mechaninac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If he is serious and doesn't know, the YF-23 is the real world prototype fighter jet that was the competitor to Lockheed's prototype the YF-22. Macross often takes inspiration from reality so these kind of competitions like the one in Macross Plus happen all the time (there was a competitor to the F-35 as well.... but it looks really weird... not that the 35 is much better). Anyway, Lockheed won the contract and developed the F-22. I actually know a lot of people who worked on the design team of the YF-23, who kinda feel shafted now. In hindsight a lot of evidence shows it really was the better plane, but this is how things go. If you want to learn more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atheonyirh Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 My parents both worked for Northrop around that time period so I may be a bit biased, but I'm among those that feel that the YF-23 got robbed. And yes the less said about the YF-32 the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakerbot Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 YF-23? Where has this appeared? I don't recall ever seeing one before.Real life. It competed with and lost to the yf-22 for the Air Force's Advanced Tactical Fighter program. The yf-22 was developed into the F-22 Raptor, while the yf-23 faded away. The Advanced Tactical Fighter competition was Kawamori's inspiration for Project Super Nova in Macross Plus, if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave IV Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 YF-23? Where has this appeared? I don't recall ever seeing one before.He's probably talking about the prototype that was competing with the F-22 for the ATF contract IRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 YF -23 was an absolutely gorgeous aircraft. No doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thanks to the people who left the non-assy answers. I actually misread the meaning of the posters post. I thought he meant yf-23 in Macross fiction not real life. To the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) ^ ... ... ... Edited December 9, 2016 by mechaninac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajnrig Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Oh I dunno, the X-32 has its charms... You have to be in a certain contrarian mood to appreciate its look, but then the same could be said of the YF-23 (to a lesser degree). Who was it, some general or something who helped choose the YF-22 over the -23, who said something along the lines of "If it looks like a fighter, then it's the better choice." The YF-23 certainly looked unorthodox compared to the more "aggressive" YF-22, and the -32 to what was essentially a scaled-down F-22 in the X-35. Both were ignored in favor of their inferior but more aesthetically pleasing competitors, proving once again that fashion really is everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbadon Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Can't wait for the Bogue custom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Oh I dunno, the X-32 has its charms... You have to be in a certain contrarian mood to appreciate its look, but then the same could be said of the YF-23 (to a lesser degree). Who was it, some general or something who helped choose the YF-22 over the -23, who said something along the lines of "If it looks like a fighter, then it's the better choice." The YF-23 certainly looked unorthodox compared to the more "aggressive" YF-22, and the -32 to what was essentially a scaled-down F-22 in the X-35. Both were ignored in favor of their inferior but more aesthetically pleasing competitors, proving once again that fashion really is everything. I suppose that is true. In the engineering world we follow the idea that form follows function. If it looks pretty and works then that is a happy accident. However the looks are the last thing designed for in a project usually. Sounds like that general was ok with getting an inferior model as long as it looked cool, so I guess that worked out. The 22 certainly does look nice, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazinger Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 +1 for the X-32. Hadn't seen it before, but it certainly seems like a jolly fellow. Now if they made it a 6 seater, it'd look like my mazda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mog_kupo Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I recall seeing a documentary where they said the deciding factor was that the X-35 could make vertical take-offs without "part swapping" or something like that Kinda like a Macross toy if you think about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmkjr Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Can't wait to see the other aerial knights versions. Hopefully around Keith's release they'll have one on display somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticYeti Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 YF-23? Where has this appeared? I don't recall ever seeing one before. I believe he his talking about the real thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajnrig Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) I recall seeing a documentary where they said the deciding factor was that the X-35 could make vertical take-offs without "part swapping" or something like that Kinda like a Macross toy if you think about it If you're thinking of "Battle of the X Planes" by PBS Nova, yeah, that was also a big part of the decision. The X-35 demonstrated a functioning transformation to/from VTOL whereas the X-32 required parts-swapping. When I first saw that documentary, I thought these two planes were the inspiration for Project Super Nova. But then I paid attention to timelines and got my facts straight. Edited December 10, 2016 by kajnrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonieG2010 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Pre-orders up on Ami-ami.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti88 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 tease of the draken DX at the end of the 31 DX transformation video... 5:48 min mark.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Still up at AmiAmi for people who missed the initial PO. Y23760. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiotheforsaken Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Been a long time since I've posted here and a long time since I've bought a Valk. But this guy looks pretty slick. Would someone refresh my memory on AmiAmi and when they charge for preorders? Edited December 12, 2016 by kaiotheforsaken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negotiator Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 they charge when it's released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 One last thing about the X-32: they could only build one. IIRC, Northrop had so much trouble curing the hand-laid CF sheets that made the wing and upper fuselage that they only had one prototype kinda ready by the deadline. And yes, before it could demo VTOL they had to rip off its intake lip and install big, non-stealthy, thrust vectoring nozzles. Finally, it looked hideous. Northrop promised the production 32 would be quite different from the prototype, which maybe isn't the way to build confidence in your initial design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolicon Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I find parts swapping on a toy to be annoying. Parts swapping on a real aircraft is just lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 not sure if its been mentioned previously but these are still open for pre-order.. apologies if this has been made aware of. CDJ http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-208937 amiami http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-023079&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Dsv-262%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Wow, that's amazing pre-orders are still open for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyekye Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 it was closed, but re-opened today. I guess they increased the production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Finally, it looked hideous. Northrop promised the production 32 would be quite different from the prototype, which maybe isn't the way to build confidence in your initial design. Funny thing about that... both the production F-22 and F-35 look pretty much nothing like the prototypes either. Good thing, in the F-22's case, it went from a stubby boxy thing, to actually looking quite sleek, I think. Anyway, glad these are showing up for preorders again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'Kyuun Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Oh I dunno, the X-32 has its charms... You have to be in a certain contrarian mood to appreciate its look, but then the same could be said of the YF-23 (to a lesser degree). Who was it, some general or something who helped choose the YF-22 over the -23, who said something along the lines of "If it looks like a fighter, then it's the better choice." The YF-23 certainly looked unorthodox compared to the more "aggressive" YF-22, and the -32 to what was essentially a scaled-down F-22 in the X-35. Both were ignored in favor of their inferior but more aesthetically pleasing competitors, proving once again that fashion really is everything. Going OT, but I'll agree that the X-32 has a lovely silhouette from directly above, her only flattering angle. From any other view, it's an eyesore. I'm not sure what they had in mind for changes, but in my mind it was always going to look like a fat legless bullfrog about to swallow an insect. IMO, the YF-23 was the far more aggressive looking aircraft with its flat, thin profile, and Northrop was really pushing unconventional design with the wing shaping and use of an all-moving V-tail in lieu of a conventional vertical and horizontal stab configuration. The YF-22 was chosen because pilots favored the more conventional setup, despite the fact that the YF-23 exceeded the YF-22 in the accomplishment of the Air Force's two primary goals: supercruise speed and stealth. In other words, the YF-23 was what the AF wanted performance-wise, but they chose the inferior design for its conventionality. Of course, this is an oversimplification, and many other factors were involved, but from everything I've read/heard, the flight control configuration won them over. OT, I'm surprised AmiAmi are still posting POs for this thing this far out. Is anyone else? Just curious; I managed to get one through AmiAmi on one of their earlier PO reopenings, so I'm happy. I'm just wondering if there's more stock to be had this time around, perhaps b/c Delta wasn't as popular as previous Macross installments and sales are reflecting that. Anyway, I'm glad, and hope that everyone who wants one manages to get one. I wish every Bandai Macross release had this many opportunities for POs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I want to get a second one so i'd wish hlj would reopen preorders. Amiami is only offering one per customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thanks spanner. Got my 262 from Cdjapan 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F360 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I want to get a second one so i'd wish hlj would reopen preorders. Amiami is only offering one per customer.You can still get it from cdjapanhttp://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-208937 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Not to drag the conversation too far off again, but I believe the YF-23 partly suffered from being "further behind" in development, without a functional weapons bay, and significantly higher production costs. It was at the bleeding edge of low signature, high speed performance, with possibly one of the lowest drag designs in history, but the complex curvature of the airframe made it a lot more difficult to manufacture. In the end, the "further along" YF-22 won out, only to be sent through a near complete redesign that might have wound up even costing more in the long run. Far as the X-32 went.. I think the production design was supposed to ditch the delta wing for a more traditional planform, at least with certain models. Being a product of the times though, the running nickname for it was "Monica." Honestly, the only hope that thing had for a publicly acceptable name was "Guppy." Edited December 14, 2016 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 No offense guys. And not to alert the mods here. But I guess it's better if you guys continue those YF-23 conversation in the Aircraft Super Thread Mk.VII thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duymon Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Anyone else going to put this sucker in fighter or gerwalk with that clear canopy? I am It seems less half-assed than the VF-27 clear canopy Edited December 14, 2016 by Duymon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yep, guess I should apologize for the derailing, but that would be a better place for it. Back on topic, I'm just really looking forward to another valk that's not your typical F-14-ish layout, and really loving that Kawamori actually attempted something based on a single-engine design. Really hoping we see more of that F-104-derived one as well in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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