Lightning Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Just explain everything with "this is Stupid Trek for the Stupid General Public." You hit the nail on the head with that one. >snip< BTW was it ever said the new one is Constitution class? Not in the movie, but given how they love to merchandise the crap out of everything it probably is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) You bring up that even-numbered turd, Nemesis? I'll raise you "What does 'God' need with a starship?" You know what though? ST:V was still much more entertaining than Nemesis, if only for the cheese factor (5, Mister Sulu ). It also made a lot more sense than Nemesis, on every level. After an initial "bleh" impression of Nemesis, the more I thought about it, the more it came off as badly written fan-fic, and quickly went south of even ST:V. I personally love this review of the plot. http://tvtropes.org/...StarTrekNemesis Edited December 8, 2012 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetJockey Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 opinions and anuses, people (we all have both) ... Im excited, which was the point of JJ's marketing crew. Now besides the negative, let's hear your other thoughts about this clip? My opinions on Star Trek are coming from a fan of the series. I'll be the first to tell you that all of the Next Generation movies sucked. With these things I think you need to know if a person likes Star Trek, has seen all the movies, etc. So, my opinion has a bit more weight than the average person saying this trailer sucks and then you find out they never liked Star Trek in the first place. Yeah where did all the boredom and corniness go? Star Trek doesn't have to be boring and corny. The only thing Abrams did was turn Star Trek into Space Action Movie with characters that just happen to be named after classic Star Trek characters. And on the Star Trek 2009 time travel thing that was mentioned a lot on the last page. It is horrible when you have a character that has gone back in time multiple times (Spock) with a ship that has a large amount of material (the red stuff which is a stupid Alias reference) to open a black hole and it only takes a drop. And he doesn't even try when his planet is destroyed, his race almost wiped out, and historical events are changed. He just accepts it. There is no reason for this. It is worse than the Star Trek Generations magical space ribbon that once inside you can choose any place in history you want to go. One of the best Star Trek original series TV episodes is "City on the Edge of Forever." In it the past is changed and Kirk tells his crew on planet that each of them will have to try (and change things back) if they aren't successful. In the 2009 reboot, Uhura realizes that there is an alternate reality but no one really seems to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 My opinions on Star Trek are coming from a fan of the series. I'll be the first to tell you that all of the Next Generation movies sucked. With these things I think you need to know if a person likes Star Trek, has seen all the movies, etc. So, my opinion has a bit more weight than the average person saying this trailer sucks and then you find out they never liked Star Trek in the first place. I like Star Trek and I've seen all the movies too; I think this trailer was awesome and you're just being a crotchety old internet nerd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The trailer almost seems too "action-movie"ish for Trek. But I'll admit some parts of the redesigns of the ships in the JJverse seem cool. How HUGE the nacelles are on the E though, not so much. I shudder to think of what the Excelsior would look like. and yeah, looks like a Khan reboot to me too.maybe they make junior-Kirk be the one to boot him off of Earth instead of bumping into him later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly4victory Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 That makes no sense. The change in the timeline from the last movie was after Khan and the SS Botany Bay would have launched. Time change reboot is such a headache. The Kirk reboot then shouldn't effect the series Enterprise but I think the players in the Temporal Cold War would have been very interested in effecting the events in the reboot to alter the formation of the Federation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It was more then just a timeline change, the old timeline is still there - Spock Prime was thrown into an alternate reality and not just thrown back in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly4victory Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Excellent point that easily makes sense. I had forgotten the best alternate in Star Trek... the 'Mirror Mirror' Universe... so this is just like the Enterprise episode, a backward cross-over, or Spock Prime would have negated his own existence, ala Back to the Future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Still feels like the entire universe got sucked through a plot hole.. There has been a lot of parallel universe stuff in the past, but I think this is the first time they actually stuck with one for any substantial amount of time (besides the extended plot of the Mirror Universe though, which I would still love to see more of). But yeah. Time shenanigans is fun, but for something that tends to make people think so hard, it's amazing what people miss. Maybe the key is just that you're trying so hard to wrap your brain around it that the obvious things don't come to mind? For instance.. the whale biologist in ST:IV. Sure, she claimed to have nobody in her life during the movie. But could they be certain it would remain that way? Cue confused looks when they return to the future and every person who could have traced their family line back to her suddenly never existed. And while I love First Contact, the entire plot falls apart if you think 5 minutes about the first 5 minutes of the movie. Why did the borg have to attack Earth at all? If they had a time machine, they could have gone back in time from anywhere in space and not had to worry about being followed back in time by those meddling ki- I mean, the Enterprise. Edit: By the way, some new stuff about who the villain is. Apparently Karl Urban let slip something along the lines of "Ben is doing an awesome job playing Mitchell" or something equally indicative that he's playing Gary Mitchell. (I don't know why I thought his name was Gary Powers.. maybe because he got them? ) Edited December 10, 2012 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobizon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Paramount Finally Name Benedict Cumberbatch’s Star Trek Villain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Paramount Finally Name Benedict Cumberbatch’s Star Trek Villain I heard the Trekkies have been combing the wikis for any kind of data. Or it could be a ruse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobizon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 hahaha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-15 Banshee Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It's an awfully generic name. Maybe Abrams was smart and decided to have a villian that has absolutely no connections to any previous Trek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It's an awfully generic name. Maybe Abrams was smart and decided to have a villian that has absolutely no connections to any previous Trek? That would be the smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyD Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-15 Banshee Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I dunno, bit of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Not Every Hobbit IMAX Screening Will Feature The Star Trek 9-Minute Prologue So Check This List Thank you! I guess I'll be going to the one in Sunrise, FL. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Paramount Finally Name Benedict Cumberbatch’s Star Trek Villain JOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I wish this board had reputation points so I could give you some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 LOL Sounds like a bogus name given it's relation to broader pop culture. Either way, the name doesn't mean much without any context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 And Now We Know Who Alice Eve Is Playing In Star Trek Into Darkness Too (BleedingCool.com) I'm still leaning on "ruse" for the name of Cumberbatch's role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 yea i gotta agree it seems fishy. Though on one hand, casting that spanish guy for the role that CB now has made sence, since the orginal JH was spanish (and also the first example of The Navy's b*llsh*t method of manning, by making the guy hold at least a dozen different ratings over the course of TOS's run LOL... you know, i was gonna linkie the Original John Harrison from Memory Alpha but some retard already screwed up the entry with the CB's mug... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Hah, now to see if David ever comes to be. (Or Genesis, for that matter) Though, I suppose when you have an almost believeable plot device that can potentially resurrect dead characters, it's understandable that they'd want to re-use it if they can. Let's just throw a twist in this time though.. have the entire crew die when the Enterprise crash lands there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetJockey Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It was more then just a timeline change, the old timeline is still there - Spock Prime was thrown into an alternate reality and not just thrown back in time. But the alternate reality/new timeline starts when the Narada goes back in time and attacks the Kelvin. Original Spock doesn't seem to care that this isn't a normal (whatever that would mean) alternate situation but something started by the black hole and the Romulans. It is something that could have been fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 But if they tried to fix it, then it would have been about a bunch of old people, minus Scotty, running around doing things while saying funny old people lines, probably clapping endlessly to turn off all the blinding lens flare. Who'd pay to see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 But if they tried to fix it, then it would have been about a bunch of old people, minus Scotty, running around doing things while saying funny old people lines, probably clapping endlessly to turn off all the blinding lens flare. Who'd pay to see that? Who's directing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 But if they tried to fix it, then it would have been about a bunch of old people, minus Scotty, running around doing things while saying funny old people lines, probably clapping endlessly to turn off all the blinding lens flare. Who'd pay to see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 But the alternate reality/new timeline starts when the Narada goes back in time and attacks the Kelvin. So the official line goes, but there were enough changes that had to of happened before that for me to say it was a close alternate and never the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 So the official line goes, but there were enough changes that had to of happened before that for me to say it was a close alternate and never the original. The events of First Contact and Enterprise are enough to account for any further changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobizon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Benedict Cumberbatch Talks About His Trek Villain, Promises He’s Not Khan Under An Alias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetJockey Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 But if they tried to fix it, then it would have been about a bunch of old people, minus Scotty, running around doing things while saying funny old people lines, probably clapping endlessly to turn off all the blinding lens flare. Who'd pay to see that? It could have been young Kirk, young Scotty, and original Spock. Maybe they get young Spock involved at the end with old Spock's ship. Or even McCoy as a nod to the classic group of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Then when things are fixed, we see the voyage of the Enterprise we never saw after the TV show ended. These are all just quick ideas but they (director, producers, etc) had it out to want to see young Kirk and crew on the Enterprise and be faithful to the original series. Which you really can't do without the alternate universe since we've seen the original series and know of young Kirk's adventures before the Enterprise and once on the Enterprise. So the official line goes, but there were enough changes that had to of happened before that for me to say it was a close alternate and never the original. It was supposed to be the original. You would be guessing at events we didn't see on screen. My post above goes into this a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It was supposed to be the original. You would be guessing at events we didn't see on screen. My post above goes into this a bit. It does? Perhaps I am dense. For proof that this MUST be an alternate universe - the Feds know what the Romulans looks like, original series makes it clear they were never seen in person till "Balance of Terror". Even Enterprise does not mess this up - the Romulans were never seen (although they had warp drive, which also puts Enterprise in an alternate universe from the original show) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Star Trek's timeline is like one of those joke puzzle knots you give someone that's supposed to take them years to unravel. It's not worth even trying to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It does? Perhaps I am dense. For proof that this MUST be an alternate universe - the Feds know what the Romulans looks like, original series makes it clear they were never seen in person till "Balance of Terror". Even Enterprise does not mess this up - the Romulans were never seen (although they had warp drive, which also puts Enterprise in an alternate universe from the original show) And that stood for the original timeline. Things obviously changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 And that stood for the original timeline. Things obviously changed. Which puts you in a parrellel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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