azrael Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 It is, in fact, the thing that struck me most strongly about the movie, how they adapted a badass into a whiny ball of angst. Cuz they switched gears in the next scene. She went from contemplating life to "F-U" from one scene to the next.
no3Ljm Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Great trailer. Visuals looks nice. It's like a shot-by-shot kind of thing with the anime. Seeing 'Batou' in action... thought I wished they used Ron Perlman instead. But overall, I'm looking forward on this one.
CoryHolmes Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 I like the way you think, JB0. *tapes JB0's Christmas Card back together again*
technoblue Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 I'll see it. I'll probably come away with more questions than answers like I did with Innocence, but I'm looking forward to seeing the story told from another perspective.
505thAirborne Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 The trailer made me realize something: I remember absolutely nothing of the plot from the original GitS movie. I actually don't remember much from SAC either. I've also never seen Arise. in fact the last thing GitS I've watched was the SAC movie and I can't even remember what that one was called. Time to break out the DVD's and do a rewatch!!
no3Ljm Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) Ghost in the Shell Tokyo Event with Scarlett Johansson, 'Beat' Takeshi, and Rupert Sanders. With great intro too by Kenji Kawai. Here's the Shelling Sequence clip shown while Kenji Kawai plays. Edited November 15, 2016 by no3Ljm
Negotiator Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 April, so far away! btw, what happened to duke?
505thAirborne Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 April, so far away! btw, what happened to duke? Been meaning to ask that question, haven't seen him for a while now. His comments and opinions are pretty damn awesome at times.
JB0 Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 Showed the trailer to my sister. She has read the comics, but not seen any of the animation.Her primary comment afterwards was "why is the major in a skintight flesh-tone bodysuit?!" It bothered her A LOT.All I could say was "Because that is how it was in the first movie, and western audiences consider that 'the original version'". ... She felt that was an inadequate excuse, particularly as she thinks that in general a new adaptation should be a fresh take on the source and not a recreation of someone else's adaptation. And in specific, her ENTIRE exposure to Ghost has been the manga/she's another dirty comics purist. In conclusion: Oshii has ruined Ghost three times now!111oneone
Negotiator Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 Also seeing the release date moved up to March 31st
miles316 Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 Was the Major naked in the Manga/Comic version when she uses the Therm optic camo.
sketchley Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) I could be wrong, but the way this trailer is selling things is something I'm not buying. I can't put my finger on it but I'm not feelin' it. Agreed. After some deep navel gazing I've figured out why it's not working for me - it's the lack of Asian (or Japanese & HK) design aesthetic. It's like the creators of the cityscapes in the film took the most outstanding aspects of certain Asian cities, and excessively embellished them, while ignoring the design aesthetics of Feng Shui and so on (very true in the HK inspired scenes - which are pretty much ALL of the city scenes, as Mamoru Oshii based his film on that, and this film is based on that film...)... That aesthetic also applies to one of the central themes of the manga/first movie - losing your individuality in a mass production information society. Which one could interpret as an examination of the conflict between honne and tatemae in a sci-fi setting. But yeah... there's just something not right about the Buddhist monks in the trailer. Was the Major naked in the Manga/Comic version when she uses the Therm optic camo. No. Most of the time, she's wearing some type of skin tight bodysuit covered in, for lack of a better word, a flack jacket. Edited November 15, 2016 by sketchley
electric indigo Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 Some hi-res prop pics: http://collider.com/ghost-in-the-shell-movie-props-costumes-images/ Note that Lotus is strong in GitS, Aramaki's car is an Excel:
azrael Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 After some deep navel gazing I've figured out why it's not working for me - it's the lack of Asian (or Japanese & HK) design aesthetic.I gave up on that notion a while back. That aesthetic also applies to one of the central themes of the manga/first movie - losing your individuality in a mass production information society. Which one could interpret as an examination of the conflict between honne and tatemae in a sci-fi setting.Yeah. What he said. I'm not getting that from how they're selling the plot of this movie. No. Most of the time, she's wearing some type of skin tight bodysuit covered in, for lack of a better word, a flack jacket.IIRC, even SAC gave up on the strip-down-to-the-body-suit thing. By the end of the series, most of the team were using therm-optic camo with normal clothes over it.. Some hi-res prop pics: http://collider.com/ghost-in-the-shell-movie-props-costumes-images/ 'Da frak???? They couldn't even bother to dress up a FN P90 or F2000 to make it look like a Seburo-style firearms?
akt_m Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) 'Da frak???? They couldn't even bother to dress up a FN P90 or F2000 to make it look like a Seburo-style firearms? Yeah, I don't see why reinvent the wheel. Also isn't this too big for a SMG? Edited November 16, 2016 by akt_m
JB0 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 Some hi-res prop pics: http://collider.com/ghost-in-the-shell-movie-props-costumes-images/ "In the film, Scarlett Johansson stars as The Major, a special ops, one-of-a-kind human-cyborg hybrid" Human-cyborg hybrid? What the heck does that even MEAN?
CoryHolmes Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 It means she's part human and part cyborg. Duh.
chyll2 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 I am not sure if that is serious but Cyborg is already that, part human part robot/machine.
technoblue Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 she runs on gas too But this is the future, she's gotta run on sustainable energy...like hot dogs.
anime52k8 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) I am not sure if that is serious but Cyborg is already that, part human part robot/machine. They didn't specify what kind of cyborg. maybe she's 50% human, 25% robot and 25% other form of organism like dog or lizard. Edited November 16, 2016 by anime52k8
chyll2 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 I dont get the hype for this. Based on the trailer, they are selling this as a faithful adaptation of an adaptation.
renegadeleader1 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 Also isn't this too big for a SMG? ghost-in-the-shell-majors-police-bike-tavor-smg-600x450.jpg No. No its not. See Thompson Gun and P90.
Kelsain Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 But this is the future, she's gotta run on sustainable energy...like hot dogs.
anime52k8 Posted November 16, 2016 Posted November 16, 2016 No. No its not. See Thompson Gun and P90. fun fact: an M1A1 Thompson is about 6 inches longer and almost 3lbs heavier than the X95 Tavor that prop gun is based on. even with all the crap they've dressed it up with it's probably still smaller and lighter. That said it's still not an SMG but because an SMG is by definition a fully automatic weapon chambered in a pistol caliber cartridge where as the Tavor uses an intermediate rifle cartridge.
Nazareno2012 Posted November 17, 2016 Posted November 17, 2016 fun fact: an M1A1 Thompson is about 6 inches longer and almost 3lbs heavier than the X95 Tavor that prop gun is based on. even with all the crap they've dressed it up with it's probably still smaller and lighter. That said it's still not an SMG but because an SMG is by definition a fully automatic weapon chambered in a pistol caliber cartridge where as the Tavor uses an intermediate rifle cartridge.For the record, the Tavor is also available in a 9 mm caliber SMG variant.
peter Posted November 17, 2016 Posted November 17, 2016 I had a Tavor for a short while. I couldn't get any decent groups out of it, even with good ammo. With my ARs, and even my ACR it's almost never a problem, even with regular factory ammo. I guess bullpups work for some people, but they're just not my cup of tea.
JB0 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 I dont get the hype for this. Based on the trailer, they are selling this as a faithful adaptation of an adaptation.Disappointingly, that is what they're selling. And to my eternal dismay, many people think that it is an adaptation of the original Ghost in the Shell, unaware that the first movie was based on anything at all. Many others just don't care.
anime52k8 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 Disappointingly, that is what they're selling. And to my eternal dismay, many people think that it is an adaptation of the original Ghost in the Shell, unaware that the first movie was based on anything at all. Many others just don't care. I don't care. I don't even like Masamune Shirow.
JB0 Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 I don't care. I don't even like Masamune Shirow.I care more because I don't like Oshii. I'd be less upset if this was an adaptation of anything other than Oshii's adaptation. But I really think they should've made their own take on the franchise. I know we usually drop on Hollywood for straying too far from the source material(or ignoring it completely), but slavish copy/paste isn't doing anyone any favors either.
danth Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 I hope this isn't a live action version of the original Ghost in the Shell animated movie, because that movie was frankly terrible. It tried so hard to be deep but just ended up being boring and excruciating to sit through. Especially those long scenes showing the city with the weird wailing/singing in the background.
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