Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 *loads up photoshop* So, how much ya got? He is probably paying in gratitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicKaze Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hmm, still not up to par with the SHE YF-19 IMHO, which has the better "longer" neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Could you post bigger versions of those pics? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Max Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hmm, still not up to par with the SHE YF-19 IMHO, which has the better "longer" neck. http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/forsal...TER_GERWALK.jpg Up to par? No it isn't. Affordable?, Lets just say that it's very unlikley the SHE model will ever be the YF-19 of my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 is the SHE yf-19 pic posted a different version than the 1/100 scale graham compared the 1/72 yamato yf-19 to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostryder Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 is the SHE yf-19 pic posted a different version than the 1/100 scale graham compared the 1/72 yamato yf-19 to? Looks like the same one comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 yeah, it looked that way to me as well, just wanted confirmation. imo, the SHE kit is no way the definitive yf-19... the 1/60 looks like it'll blow it out of the water in nearly every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nani?! Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 yeah, it looked that way to me as well, just wanted confirmation. imo, the SHE kit is no way the definitive yf-19... the 1/60 looks like it'll blow it out of the water in nearly every way. the sculpt definitely blows away anything out right now... I still want to reserve final judgement when we see the final paint, the tampo printed markings, and sturdiness of the thing.... The resin sculpt prototype blows away even the supernova kit IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The SHE has huge ugly square intakes, no landing gear & the wings set too far forward. Also, the feet are not accurate in fighter mode. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The SHE has huge ugly square intakes, no landing gear & the wings set too far forward. Also, the feet are not accurate in fighter mode. Graham Tell me more about how you feel concerning the SHE YF-19, Graham. Don't hold back. vinnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Knight Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I think I'll probably wait AT LEAST a few weeks after it finally gets released, before deciding if I'll get the first release version, or hold out for a later version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I originally preordered 3, but as time goes on and common sense has time to ponder the purchase, I have gradually went down to one. If only they didn't announce them so early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Hmm, still not up to par with the SHE YF-19 IMHO, which has the better "longer" neck. Not to be to cruel, but long neck or not, the SHE looks like a flying brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicKaze Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) Any Canadians have an idea where to pre-order a YF-19? Don't want to pay insane customs fees from buying from a U.S. shop. Or Graham, anywhere in Hong Kong that has pre-orders or is just a good place to buy them? I could get my friend there to pick me up one. Edited October 20, 2006 by ComicKaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaajin Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) ol pics...to keep the thread running : Edited October 20, 2006 by aaajin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiriK Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 just a quick random question... .are there any real life reverse wing planes???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 just a quick random question... .are there any real life reverse wing planes???? The x-29. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOne Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Here's another Forward Swept Wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47 This things a beauty too Edited October 21, 2006 by AlphaOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiriK Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 ahhh.. interesting...haha.... curious what the advantages are in flight for the forward swept wings..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 manueverability, shorter take off distance, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 good lord yf-19, you big beautiful beast. i love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 I think my "what forward-swept wings do for the YF-19" thread is still among the missing in the archives. Generally, FSW isn't as great/useful as people think, and a lot of what is published is flat out wrong. Basically--FSW planes are more stable in roll at extremely high alpha, and have a bit less drag at high speeds. That's about it. A few mentions of superior lift/drag ratios, which would actually make it longer-ranged. Traditionally, having wings swept forward have actually been mainly for structural/location reasons, not aerodynamic. The aerodynamic problems of FSW generally outweighs the benefits. Could be the same for the YF-19--they're swept forward because they have to be mounted at the rear because of parts/system/transformation fit, not any aerodynamic advances. Knight26---where does takeoff performance come in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I think my "what forward-swept wings do for the YF-19" thread is still among the missing in the archives. Generally, FSW isn't as great/useful as people think, and a lot of what is published is flat out wrong. Basically--FSW planes are more stable in roll at extremely high alpha, and have a bit less drag at high speeds. That's about it. A few mentions of superior lift/drag ratios, which would actually make it longer-ranged. Traditionally, having wings swept forward have actually been mainly for structural/location reasons, not aerodynamic. The aerodynamic problems of FSW generally outweighs the benefits. Could be the same for the YF-19--they're swept forward because they have to be mounted at the rear because of parts/system/transformation fit, not any aerodynamic advances. Knight26---where does takeoff performance come in? I think they're forward swept on the 19 for esthetics (in other words they look cool). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnShockwave Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I think they're forward swept on the 19 for esthetics (in other words they look cool). As far as the YF-19 goes, I think you're right about it being just for aesthetics. But I did hear/read somewhere that FSW actually make the plane incredibly unstable. I can't confirm that in any way, shape, or form. It's just what I heard. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Maybe that explains why in the story so many pilots couldn't handle the 19 until Dyson. Dyson gets the dangerous plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Nope, that's the number one myth that even aviation books/sites write. FSW is NOT unstable. It's just that all the famous FSW planes are very unstable. But not because of FSW, they're unstable because they're modern fighters and that's the big trend. They're unstable for the exact same reason, and in the exact same way that the F-16 is. Having FSW has little to do with it. Interestingly, there was an F-16 FSW proposed--it was unstable too--but that's because the F-16 is unstable anyways. And as I wrote above, the #1 advantage FSW has is that it is much MORE stable (in roll) in high-alpha flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 The Germans also experimented with a prototype FSW jet bomber during World War II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Seems the main reasons for that were sheer wing positioning (aft wing=bigger bomb bay) and the better takeoff performance Knight26 mentioned (always a big problem with early jets)--which looking around some more seems to be related to sheer high-alpha capabilities--it's not so much a directly higher production of lift due to shape/sweep or anything, but rather can achieve greater alpha under most conditions, thus higher lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzyfcuk Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 its' the 21 oct today, no more pix? im dying to see the boxart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I just want the QC to be correct. I would have no complaints in buying in bulk. From what I remember Graham did address it with Yamato, but whether they carry it out is another matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwwmwww Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 but rather can achieve greater alpha under most conditions, thus higher lift. Maybe I missed it but what is 'alpha'? Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Alpha=angle of attack. Basically, what angle the wings are intersecting (attacking) the airflow. A wing is almost never perfectly "in line" with the airflow--the degree to which it is off is extremely critical. Best example: a plane just before landing. It'll be nose-high, but still descending---since the wings are attached to the plane, they'll be leading-edge high as well---but the wing will be moving downwards with the plane, thus the wing is meeting the air at quite an angle. Or, if you see a plane doing a slow-speed pass at an airshow---horizontal flight, but nose angled high--again, severe "discrepancy" between the direction the plane is pointing, and the direction the plane is moving. Negative alpha is possible, but generally only for a moment during severe manuevers etc---that's mainly "pointing down but moving up"--which no plane can sustain, except those that can hover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Alpha=angle of attack. Basically, what angle the wings are intersecting (attacking) the airflow. A wing is almost never perfectly "in line" with the airflow--the degree to which it is off is extremely critical. Best example: a plane just before landing. It'll be nose-high, but still descending---since the wings are attached to the plane, they'll be leading-edge high as well---but the wing will be moving downwards with the plane, thus the wing is meeting the air at quite an angle. Or, if you see a plane doing a slow-speed pass at an airshow---horizontal flight, but nose angled high--again, severe "discrepancy" between the direction the plane is pointing, and the direction the plane is moving. Negative alpha is possible, but generally only for a moment during severe manuevers etc---that's mainly "pointing down but moving up"--which no plane can sustain, except those that can hover. Just out of curiosity, do you ever wake up and think "I think I know too much about aviation..."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Nope, there's tons I don't know, stuff I consider "basic". Pitch control of delta-winged planes still eludes me, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 And yet i didnt even understand the sentence about stuff u dont know, let alone the not knowing itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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