reddsun1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) First use of the Wilhelm scream; 1951's Distant Drums: The name comes from 1953's The Charge at Feather River: That was hilarious! Thank you! Funny thing is: the original sounds ever-so-slightly different from the re-dubs that have been subsequently used over the years[only just a little]. Go figure. ed: I wonder how they'll handle Smaug. My only reference has always been the '77 cartoon. I always liked Richard Boone's gravelly, booming performance as the dragon; lent him that much more imposing presence. Edited July 22, 2011 by reddsun1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) They look much more the part after seeing them all together. I agree....the Klingon one doesn't look so Klingon in this pic Edited July 22, 2011 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 ed: I wonder how they'll handle Smaug. My only reference has always been the '77 cartoon. I always liked Richard Boone's gravelly, booming performance as the dragon; lent him that much more imposing presence. Smaug is going to be voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch, who has become famous in the last 12 months for playing Sherlock Holmes in the latest BBC series based on the legend. Great actor. Martin Freeman plays his Watson so there is a bit of a link there...... A trailer for Sherlock, so you can get some idea of what he's like..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kewHgXwgemk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danth Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 The more I look at those dwarves, the less I like the Star Trek-style alien hair and makeup. I don't think there's a person on Earth who read the Hobbit and imagined the dwarves looking like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Eh, they look pretty close to how I imagined them. I always hated how they looked and were portrayed in the old Rankin Bass cartoon, like a bunch of bumbling garden gnomes. I think they look more in line with how Dwarves in fantasy novels & games are portrayed, which is a far cry from the ones the general public is familiar with, like the ones in Snow White & the 7 Dwarves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I'm tired of the whole 'Dual Wielding Sword' meme that has cropped up. Middle-Earth isn't swords & sorcery and/or planetary romance. Its mytho-historic meaning it should be more like Beowulf and less like Fafhrd and The Grey Mouser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 And yet weapon fetishism is alive and well in the writings of Tolkien... as it was in much of the legends and myths that Tolkien drew from when writing of middle earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 And yet weapon fetishism is alive and well in the writings of Tolkien... as it was in much of the legends and myths that Tolkien drew from when writing of middle earth. None of which involved heroes using Florentine street fencing techniques.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) None of which involved heroes using Florentine street fencing techniques.... meh, all movie sword fighting is historically inaccurate to actual medieval sword fighting to begin with. And since middle earth isn't even supposed to be medieval europe... carry on though, someone needs to be mad about something, might as well be this. Edited July 24, 2011 by eugimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 carry on though, someone needs to be mad about something, might as well be this. Damnit man, that's the most perfect response to any and every negative internet post that I've ever seen. I do understand the fan rage though - I had a pretty hefty amount if it when the LOTR films first came out. I was so angry when the Elves showed up at Helms Deep that I think my soul actually left my body for a few seconds. I've since learned that I can lead a much happier life and enjoy movies more by having two separate drawers in my mental filing cabinet, one marked "Books" and one marked "Films". Things can still get to me though. Like if The Hobbit ends in an 'everyone sing and dance!' routine set to a Smashmouth song or something, that would push me over the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 And since middle earth isn't even supposed to be medieval europe... Well, in point of fact, its supposed to be 'the old world' (Europe-Africa-Asia) set in a mythical Antediluvian time. carry on though, someone needs to be mad about something, might as well be this. Heh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Like if The Hobbit ends in an 'everyone sing and dance!' routine set to a Smashmouth song or something, that would push me over the edge. Actually, that would be pretty interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually, that would be pretty interesting to see. OMFG, Eddie Murphy as Gollum = AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 OMFG, Eddie Murphy as Gollum = AWESOME! Only if he falls in love with Smaug and they have little dragon/hobbit babies. Drobbits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 meh, all movie sword fighting is historically inaccurate to actual medieval sword fighting to begin with. And since middle earth isn't even supposed to be medieval europe... If the fight between Dread Pirate Roberts and Inigo was not realistic, well then, reality is just going to have to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Why are people turning to fantasy for reality anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Is that a strawman or a serious question? Seriously, though, the double-handed meme does stink. Kingdom of Heaven did decent medieval choreography... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Is that a strawman or a serious question? Seriously, though, the double-handed meme does stink. Kingdom of Heaven did decent medieval choreography... Exactly. That was one of the things I liked about Kingdom of Heaven. The Lord of the Rings should have looked like that in more ways than one (the distressing amount of plate armour grated on my nerves). I guess it depends upon your level of tolerance. I hate seeing Heroic Saga myths/stories that have the characters using Crusader Knight's Arming Swords (Cross-shaped, which was to show a Knight's devotion to Christ) instead of Migration and/or Viking Era Long Swords. The more I began studying The Migration Era, the more I found I had little tolerance for stuff like Excalibur or even The 13th Warrior. The usual answer is 'people don't know any better, so what?' which basically answers the question. If people DON'T know any better, then WHAT is wrong with at least attempting to LOOK proper? Certainly not money, since there ARE weapon/armour prop smiths out there that will reproduce the stuff necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Is that a strawman or a serious question? Seriously, though, the double-handed meme does stink. Kingdom of Heaven did decent medieval choreography... Serious question. Lord of the Rings isn't set in any historical era of Earth, and is entirely fantasy, so it confuses me why anyone would expect anything "realistic" out of it. To me the whole point of fantasy is an escape from reality, where anything is possible. I don't need to see a fantasy realm trying to follow the rules of medieval sword fighting choreography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Serious question. Lord of the Rings isn't set in any historical era of Earth, and is entirely fantasy, so it confuses me why anyone would expect anything "realistic" out of it. To me the whole point of fantasy is an escape from reality, where anything is possible. I don't need to see a fantasy realm trying to follow the rules of medieval sword fighting choreography. Ah, but Tolkien does tell us what kind of warfare the peoples of Middle-Earth engaged in. The shield wall was a favoured tactic. The use of both long swords and short stabbing swords (Dunedain Eket), spear, javelin/dart, long knife and bow are prevalent throughout. The best armour of any people in Middle-Earth is the matchless mail of the Dwarves. This is basically Heroic Saga stuff, not Renaissance plate armour, jousting and/or Florentine street fencing. The Rohirrim were not 'mediaeval', in our sense. The styles of the Bayeux Tapestry (made in England) fit them well enough, if one remembers that the kind of tennis-nets [the] soldiers seem to have on are only a clumsy conventional sign for chain-mail of small rings. - JRR Tolkien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Like if The Hobbit ends in an 'everyone sing and dance!' routine set to a Smashmouth song or something, that would push me over the edge. Hey, it worked for the Zatoichi movie. Maybe they can have Young Bilbo morphing into Old Bilbo while tap-dancing. Although it should probably be called slap-dancing if it's a hobbit. Edited July 31, 2011 by Vile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoducks Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well, if we nitpick about weapons and historical inaccuracies then... why the hell doesn’t anybody complain first about how in EVERY historical/medieval inspired movie all the women have perfectly shaved legs, armpits or any facial hair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetarB Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I'm not complaining. And I'm a one-time member of the Society for Creative Anachronisms, so if anyone's got a right to be anal on this matter, it's me! However I'm just so happy we are getting a live action Hobbit movie. I agree that the dwarves look a little 'Klingon' but I think we have to wait until we see them in context. It might be because we are conditioned to now see a certain type of makeup associated with Trek's low budget faux-aliens. If someone would have told me a couple of years agot that the top spy on Spooks (Richard Armitage) could be a the stately, yet greedy Thorin, I would have laughed at them. Him, a dwarf? Now I see it, I think it's brilliant casting. The art depatment should have made him look a bit older though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 So, I've been thinking about this lately and decided to see what you guys think. As much as I like Jackson's LOTR movies, one thing that always bothered me was the noise and cacophony that accompanied wearing the one ring. IIRC, in the books one's perception while wearing the ring was mostly dimmed, shadowy sight, and other senses heightened. And so that leads me to where this could go wrong in The Hobbit. How the hell is the audience expected to sit through the Bilbo and Smaug scene with all that noise, bass rumble, and visual windiness going on? I mean, they haveto tone that down or else it will just look like sh!t, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Maybe it had to do with Saurons (spelling) gathering strength and influence on the one ring by the time the Rings trilogy started. Maybe he was to weak to really effect the ring in the Hobbits time period? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Maybe it had to do with Saurons (spelling) gathering strength and influence on the one ring by the time the Rings trilogy started. Maybe he was to weak to really effect the ring in the Hobbits time period? Chris I think that is what they are going to try to explain (outside of the film) to cover any discrepancy. However, I think that they dug themselves into a hole with this one. I mean, it was pretty retarded the first time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 The Hobbit Trailer Officially Attached to Tintin in the US (But What About the UK?) (Hey U Guys.co.uk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 'Hobbit' trailer to premiere Dec. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I think that is what they are going to try to explain (outside of the film) to cover any discrepancy. However, I think that they dug themselves into a hole with this one. I mean, it was pretty retarded the first time around. They are going to do just what has been done before, tone it down with no explenation - and most people will never notice (or care) about the difference. Same trick is used constantly in the movies, check out any "battle" scene on a bridge - at first the alerts are sounding and lights flashing, but after a little bit they stop - even if in reality they would still be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfunk Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 They are going to do just what has been done before, tone it down with no explenation - and most people will never notice (or care) about the difference. Same trick is used constantly in the movies, check out any "battle" scene on a bridge - at first the alerts are sounding and lights flashing, but after a little bit they stop - even if in reality they would still be going. and honestly if you think about it its better left up to the individual instead of an explanation in the film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 official trailer: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thehobbit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Preeeciousssssss..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 My Precious!!! Looks Epic, cant wait to see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Wooo hoooo! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Wow. Hearing those familiar songs, seeing those familiar sights... want... to.. see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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