AlphaOne Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) With the YF-21 and VF-11 being the cream of the crops for the Mac + lines, I was wondering how many other Macrossworld fans feel a little disappointed with the YF-19. It seems that in both scale cases, the YF-19 was the first model out, only to show it's age quite quickly when in comparison to the other Mac + valks. It got me thinking, is there even a demand for a v2.0 YF-19 and if so, what are some things you wish to see changed or added. Edited May 29, 2009 by AlphaOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I have to argue semantics on this one. Version 2.0 implies (to me) a complete overhaul of the existing product like we saw with the 1/60 VF-1 partsformer to the current 1/60 VF-1. That's a huge leap forward. The 1/60 YF-19 doesn't need nearly that kind of leap forward, what it needs is the kind of tweaking you generally see in a "second edition." It's essentially the same toy but the manufacturer listens to the early adopters and makes some tweaks like adding more areas to lock, sturdier parts in areas prone to breaking, etc. A second edition YF-19 should have a smaller Isamu figure (from the 11B), a chest that locks in battroid mode, and some tweaks that make it come tightly back together in fighter mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 no, but I would gladly send my original YF-19 to Yamato and get a fixed one if it was possible for customer service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 no, but I would gladly send my original YF-19 to Yamato and get a fixed one if it was possible for customer service I believe this is how it should be done as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossMan Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I have to argue semantics on this one. Version 2.0 implies (to me) a complete overhaul of the existing product like we saw with the 1/60 VF-1 partsformer to the current 1/60 VF-1. That's a huge leap forward. The 1/60 YF-19 doesn't need nearly that kind of leap forward, what it needs is the kind of tweaking you generally see in a "second edition." It's essentially the same toy but the manufacturer listens to the early adopters and makes some tweaks like adding more areas to lock, sturdier parts in areas prone to breaking, etc. A second edition YF-19 should have a smaller Isamu figure (from the 11B), a chest that locks in battroid mode, and some tweaks that make it come tightly back together in fighter mode. I agree with jenius on this one. I kind of spoke on some of what he mentions in the "Surprise" thread here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I like my YF-19. I'll be getting another one when I can anyways. If they do make a "new" one - it had better be either ridiculously better or just a tad bit tweaked. I don't want them making a new mold or whatever just to have it come out the same... Besides - what could they possibly do more? I mean - technically they could work on making it more poseable... but then again - look at the DX... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I'd be happy enough if they'd just give the existing mold some tweaks because that's really all it needs - it's beautiful to look at, just not very structurally sound when it comes time to transform and pose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) Hate to be a dick about this but if they redid it, wouldn't it be a V.3? This would be their 3rd attempt at it then if it ever came to pass. If they did it I would like to see all or at least some of these: - stiffer or more clicky joints. - New wing attachment method (trying to get it to hold in tension right now sucks and is too finicky). Would also be cool if they could get the wings to swing back as well as it did have a variable mode I believe. - Trim/loose the gullet. If they can do it on a VF-11 they can at least attempt to trim the gullet down on a VF-19 - Locking chest for battroid mode. - Better hands and a better gun pod. I would like it to be able to hold the gunpod straight along the forearm if possible. - Better arm articulation. I have been spoiled by the VF-1 1/60 V.2. It's set a standard for me that has to be matched. The VF-11B looses points because of this. - Has to come with the fastpacks standard like the other valks. That or the fold booster either or. The Heavy Weapons cluster would be a nice touch as well. To bad it's probably never going to happen. Edited May 29, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 No, because it's ver 2 of the 1/60 scale. Same reason we don't call the ver 2. 1/60 vf-1 the ver 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOne Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) Hate to be a dick about this but if they redid it, wouldn't it be a V.3? This would be their 3rd attempt at it then if it ever came to pass. I'm a little confused, did Yamato make a v2.0 YF-19 in the 1/60 scale? If so, then I apologize for the mistake. Edited May 29, 2009 by AlphaOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) answering the question - Would you buy a v2.0 1/60 YF-19? YES... even if they make it 5-10 years from now? YES... if it comes out as tight and sturdy in all modes as the v2.0 1/60 VF-1s? Definitely YES... if they manage to take a chunk off of that gullet? Hell YEAH! the YF-19 is still my fave Hero Valk... and the only thing keeping the VF-1 tied w/ it is nostalgia. but right now, i'm pretty happy w/ my 19 (as long as i don't compare it to my other valks )... esp. after fiddling with it some, i've managed to figure out how to put it back snugly in fighter mode even w/ the FPs on and w/out anything popping off or getting loose. i can even hold it by the side of its legs and swoosh it around some . of course i'm always scared sh!tless whenever somebody reports a problem... Edited May 29, 2009 by m0n5t3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossMan Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I'm a little confused, did Yamato make a v2.0 YF-19 in the 1/60 scale? If so, then I apologize for the mistake. Not exactly. I think the correct term would be maybe "second wave" or re-release with corrected issues. I believe there was crooked gunpod issue. The "v2" was the the version that came bundled with the fold booster set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Probably not. I'm fine with the 1/60 YF-19 despite its minor drawbacks (loose wing roots and gaps in fighter mode). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I would buy one, I wouldn't rebuy the mac plus scheme, but i would buy a spiffy repaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cent Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I think the major thing is to fix the looseness issues. Chest locking only affects the battroid fans, so I could care less =P j/k It wouldn't cost them a lot to do just that, and they can reuse the mold for the most part. Throw in a refreshing paint scheme (not those uninspired palette swaps) and I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Would buy one if it remained perfect variable, killed off the thick gullet, had a sleeker fighter mode, and thicker, anime-accurate battroid mode. People say "oh that's not possible bla bla", well no one expected the 1/48 after seeing the v1 1/60 VF-1. No one thought Yamato would take a stab at the YF-21 in 1/60 after the 1/72 FP version. Yamato has shown that they can make huge advancements in a relatively short time. So yes I think they can make a much better YF-19 toy and if it had the improvements I mentioned, I'd buy it. Of the 3 Macross Plus releases in 1/60 scale, it's the only one I don't want currently(though the anime design is my favorite of the 3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I probably wouldn't buy a YF-19 unless they came out with a true version 2. throw out the existing design entirely, fix the terrible proportions, add some actual locking mechanism's, redesign the hips for better possibility, add some extras (internal missile bays etc.), and ship the thing without a bunch of stupid design and construction mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logos Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 (edited) I'm a little confused, did Yamato make a v2.0 YF-19 in the 1/60 scale? If so, then I apologize for the mistake. Sorry my bad. I forgot that Yamato's first YF-19 was like a 1/72 scale or something. So at 1/60 scale it would be a V2.0. Sorry about that I am an idiot! Edited May 29, 2009 by logos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunpod71 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I probably wouldn't buy a YF-19 unless they came out with a true version 2. throw out the existing design entirely, fix the terrible proportions, add some actual locking mechanism's, redesign the hips for better possibility, add some extras (internal missile bays etc.), and ship the thing without a bunch of stupid design and construction mistakes. Yep same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaD3k Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 The YF-19 is practically perfectly flawless (at least the two I own) in both quality and design, I vote nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Yeah im a no as well. I love my 19. id buy a 21 that was easier to get into fighter mode before id buy a 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I rather get new designs that haven't been released before. If I have to have another YF-19 than it should be VF-19 Fire or Blazer valkyrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 They'd have to do something really amazing with it to make me want one. I can get 3 VF-1 for the price of a YF19 and I am not a particular fan of the design. Might scoop one up if the new colors cause its price to drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOne Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm looking at my YF-19, and because it's tied for my favorite design (along with the VF-1), I'm disappointed that it has a lot of flaws. No locking chest mode (which still escapes me as to why), the gullet (which the VF-11 captured the sleekness perfectly), the crotch piece that seems soo wide, the legs look like the 19 is walking bull-legged, and the floppiness of the parts after transformations. I really hope Yamato redoes this. Do you think it's even possible? Would Yamato do this because I'd love to get a more accurate and more durable version of the YF-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I like my YF-19 as is, but should Yamato come up with a version I like more, I'd buy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) Yes. I"d buy the version that's out now. I've always wanted one ever since i found out they made em. The only compliant I've heard that would erk me is the lack of a locking mechanism in the chest for battleroid. EDIT: also what's the gullet issue that ppl are talking about? Edited May 31, 2009 by BeyondTheGrave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 EDIT: also what's the gullet issue that ppl are talking about? the part where the front landing gear is stowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 No, not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Anyone think its possible to design it around gerwalk mode? That could actually improve the floppiness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thankheaven Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I can think of one way to actually make the legs thinner and sleeker in fightermode while also making them bigger and bulkier in battroid. However the plastic would probably end up alittle thinner and more on the fragile side because the mid section needs to be pushed into the leg so that the front and back halves can be pushed together. This would probably give less room for the landing gear but if it rotates like the 21 or 11 it doesn't really need a whole lot of room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I don't have a problem with how the 1/60 yf 19 looks. So if Yamato really addresses the problems that has been mentioned repeatedly, they have one more customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegablue Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Yes I would. Though as long as it's not the same colour scheme as Plus, or that **** of Basara. A 19 in military naval grey colours would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yf19vsyf21 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I think if it was a complete new from scratch managing to incorporate more anime magic then sure whats one more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentCrossHairs Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'd get another one if it was a blazer valk. I really like the YF-19 ever since Mac+. The design to me is one of the best in the MAcross series. A guy can really get sick of the VF-1. But hey.....if the anime is hot. I might buy the toy. Thats how it works for me anyway. For all of its so called flaws. Its still the coolest one in my display case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikElvis Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I would buy a version 2. In fact Im going to buy the current 19 in isamu colors as it is my fav valk. I have my 1/72 now, and while I like it, when you see a pic of one next to a 1/60 it looks like poo. I would never buy a red 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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