sh9000 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) Edited July 10, 2022 by sh9000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) ... Edited April 17, 2022 by pengbuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, pengbuzz said: I already have this on DVD. No, you don't. 🙄 This is what's coming... ...and this is what you have: See the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, sh9000 said: That'll be worth it just for the starship porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) ... Edited April 17, 2022 by pengbuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, pengbuzz said: Not really; I have a cathode ray tube screen. So it doesn't make a difference. Please though...carry on. And here's your eyeroll back...I think you dropped it over there. *dusts eyeroll off* 🙄 Also, things that pop on a picture tube look drab on an LCD. I've had to stop viewing and change screens before because some old anime DVD was just flat and lifeless. The same should apply here, with the 2001 DVD being mastered for picture tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) I'm going to be the weirdo that prefers my original VHS copy, the one that had all of the extra scenes that my DVD copy doesnt. I don't usually mind upgraded effects too much, but I think showing so much of V-Ger actually detracts from the impact it has on screen, kind of like the difference between the original and redone versions of the wampa in ESB. It feels so much more impressive when you can't actually see the whole thing on screen at once. Edited March 26, 2022 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I remember seeing Star Trek: TMP first released in the theater when I was a six years old and it blew my mind. Starting with seeing the Klingon ships getting vaporized and then it got more weird, lol. Still a very well made classic though. Damn I'm old 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Chronocidal said: I'm going to be the weirdo that prefers my original VHS copy, the one that had all of the extra scenes that my DVD copy doesnt. All the incomplete scenes, you mean? I couldn't believe Paramount thought unfinished effects shots were acceptable for an official home video release. The same sequence appears in the syndicated TV version, too! 30 minutes ago, TangledThorns said: Still a very well made classic though. Not at all. I've always thought there was a lot to love about The Motion Picture, but it's far from "well-made." The production was a textbook case of mismanagement, right from Day One -- announcing a release date before they had a finished script, even -- and millions were wasted on unusable effects work from a studio that simply wasn't up to the task. The result was a production grossly over-budget, with an incomplete script, incomplete effects, an incomplete edit that needed a lot more work, and a film rushed to theaters that failed to satisfy critics, general audiences, or even most Star Trek fans. Over two decades later, Robert Wise was finally given the chance to complete the film properly, thanks to the success of the Star Wars: Special Edition. Incomplete shots could be finished with CGI, the sound design could be revised and updated, and the film could be properly edited for pacing and continuity. The 2001 Director's Edition is what the film was supposed to be, and it's far superior to the theatrical release, the "Special Longer Version," or the syndicated television cut. Of course, Paramount managed to screw up that release as well, with the short-sighted decision to render the effects and master the film in 480p. Within five years, Blu-ray had made standard-definition obsolete, and the subsequent HD release of The Motion Picture had to be struck from 1979 negatives. Now, 15 long years later, we're FINALLY getting a definitive release of the complete film in high-definition, with updated 4K visual effects elements. 🤩 @pengbuzz, you've waited long enough. It's time to join us in the 21st century. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 So. . . . are we gonna get 20 additional minutes of them slow panning around the Enterprise, lovingly filming the ship from every conceivable and imaginable angle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levzloi Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mog said: So. . . . are we gonna get 20 additional minutes of them slow panning around the Enterprise, lovingly filming the ship from every conceivable and imaginable angle? This is apparently a 4k update of the re-edited Directors cut with updated special effects we got on DVD in 2001. It's not the same as the theatrical cut or the extra 20 minutes of starring at Vger that we got on the VHS special edition. It's taken this long, because they were honestly a bit stupid, and only rendered the new CGI at 1080P. It had to be completely redone and reedited to get a higher resolution. This version is considered ..... better, though still not great. Most of the movies underlying issues remain. https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/star-trek-the-motion-picture-directors-cut-gets-stunning-4k-restoration Edited March 26, 2022 by levzloi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, levzloi said: This is apparently a 4k update of the re-edited Directors cut with updated special effects we got on DVD in 2001. Yeah, he gets it. Mog was just being facetious. 😝 8 minutes ago, levzloi said: It's taken this long, because they were honestly a bit stupid, and only rendered the new CGI at 1080P. If only...! 😅 Paramount wasn't stupid, they were just cheap. 1080p would've been high-definition, and DVDs weren't capable of that... so 480p was considered adequate (and cost-effective). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levzloi Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, tekering said: Yeah, he gets it. Mog was just being facetious. 😝 If only...! 😅 Paramount wasn't stupid, they were just cheap. 1080p would've been high-definition, and DVDs weren't capable of that... so 480p was considered adequate (and cost-effective). right, getting my resolution's confused. between DVD, HD, and Ultra HD. man I feel old. I got that special edition VHS set of the movies for my birthday in 91 or 92 I think, the ones that made the enterprise if you lined them up. Watched them so many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) ... Edited April 17, 2022 by pengbuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 8 hours ago, levzloi said: It's taken this long, because they were honestly a bit stupid, and only rendered the new CGI at 1080P. It had to be completely redone and reedited to get a higher resolution. This version is considered ..... better, though still not great. Most of the movies underlying issues remain. And they had to redo all the new CG from scratch because they never got the original files from the company they hired to render the scenes, just final video at 480p. And then the company went out of business, so they COULDN'T get the original files and had to reconstruct the scenes from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 All that matters from the film is Andy Probert's ultimate Enterprise design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I'm hoping we can just buy the movie on most streaming services soon. Loved the DVD quality version from way back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) ... Edited April 17, 2022 by pengbuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, sh002 said: Agreed. I still love this Enterprise. Same. Refit Constitution is my favorite Star Trek ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) ... Edited April 17, 2022 by pengbuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Well, I'm not going to get Paramount+ for this... but I will absolutely support it if and when it comes to a digital library-type service or on physical media, because I absolutely want this level of remaster to continue into the rest of the series. Don't want this one stopping halfway thru the way they did with remastering the TV shows. With the best will in the world, The Motion Picture is jokingly called The Slow-Motion Picture for a bloody reason... but hopefully these edits make what was originally some above average VFX into something gobsmacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 I'll be watching it on Paramount Plus and getting the 4K blu-ray when it gets released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I'll definitely pick up the 4K Blu-Ray when it's under $20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 I’ll check this out today or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 9:18 PM, Seto Kaiba said: Well, I'm not going to get Paramount+ for this... but I will absolutely support it if and when it comes to a digital library-type service or on physical media, because I absolutely want this level of remaster to continue into the rest of the series. Don't want this one stopping halfway thru the way they did with remastering the TV shows. I'm pretty much in the same boat. Not terribly enthused about TMP but I do want them to keep upgrading the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just watched this on Paramount+ today. Seems more finished this time around and good overall. Persis Khambatta looked amazing in it too, shame she died so young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, TangledThorns said: Just watched this on Paramount+ today. Seems more finished this time around and good overall. Persis Khambatta looked amazing in it too, shame she died so young. What do you mean by "more finished?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 11 hours ago, Mommar said: What do you mean by "more finished?" Certain enhanced scenes make more sense, eg seeing V'ger's plasma cloud dissipating gives audience a better idea of what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mommar Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/7/2022 at 7:43 AM, TangledThorns said: Certain enhanced scenes make more sense, eg seeing V'ger's plasma cloud dissipating gives audience a better idea of what it is. So they did massage some effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mommar said: So they did massage some effects? Heck yes. There is at least one teaser trailer showing the difference between the older DVD enhanced edition and this one. The exterior Vger shot is incredible. Don't know how long it lasts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Can you see the warp nacelle from the Officers lounge scene again? It was in the old 90’s director’s cut but removed again in the 2001 addition. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 20 hours ago, Dobber said: Can you see the warp nacelle from the Officers lounge scene again? It was in the old 90’s director’s cut but removed again in the 2001 addition. Chris I will not be seeing it for awhile but on a different note - the shadow of the support rig for the Enterprise is no longer visible in the scene where it leaves spacedock. I never noticed it till I saw the teaser trailer about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shade Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 4:22 PM, Dobber said: Can you see the warp nacelle from the Officers lounge scene again? It was in the old 90’s director’s cut but removed again in the 2001 addition. Chris The Nacelle shot during the Kirk, Spock, McCoy officer's lounge scene was added in the 2001 edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 3 hours ago, The Shade said: The Nacelle shot during the Kirk, Spock, McCoy officer's lounge scene was added in the 2001 edition. Whoops, I stand corrected. Yes it was added in the 2001 Directors cut and removed again in the 2009 Blu-ray Theatrical edition. Question remains though….is it back? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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