anubis20 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I bought a second one and itll stay in fighter mode. Im gonna try to jerry rig the one with broken shoulder so I can at least display it in battroid mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It sucks they're all breaking on everyone, however with those black triangles out of the way you should be able to get some good shoulder angles/poses in Gerwalk/Battroid with the bit of extra space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It sucks they're all breaking on everyone, however with those black triangles out of the way you should be able to get some good shoulder angles/poses in Gerwalk/Battroid with the bit of extra space. Sure, but those black triangles also provide the socket for the shoulder pads, so without them the shoulder pads don't stay on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Sure, but those black triangles also provide the socket for the shoulder pads, so without them the shoulder pads don't stay on. Oh, I didn't know that. That sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gakken85 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Think I might skip the armor parts on this.. he's already a hot mess. Putting armor on him might be pushing things. It might look good in fighter mode.. but the dull blue plastic on the green probably won't look so hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I'm fine throwing huge reaction bombs on the wings. All the parts that have cracked or broken for me are fixable. But I've got two in display, one in fighter mode (forever) and one in bat Mode (broken in multiple places). They will have armor or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loop Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I'm fine throwing huge reaction bombs on the wings. All the parts that have cracked or broken for me are fixable. But I've got two in display, one in fighter mode (forever) and one in bat Mode (broken in multiple places). They will have armor or bust. Or they could bust with armor? I still have all 3 of mine in Battroid mode and hope that I won't destroy the fragile parts when I put them back in to fighter mode. Once I get them in fighter I will apply the Armor and leave them that way most likely forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentCrossHairs Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) Is the Alto custom like this? My CF is in batroid mode. You guys are making me afraid to transform it back to fighter. Edited August 3, 2013 by SilentCrossHairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastik Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 the alto is durable. never gave me any cause for concerns while transforming but it does provide frustrations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Is the Alto custom like this? My CF is in batroid mode. You guys are making me afraid to transform it back to fighter. The CQ issues that have been showing up on the CF version are significantly less common to unheard of on the Alto version. There must have been a really bad batch of plastic used on the CF run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_BS-AS Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Well, mine has just arrived. I´ll get it tomorow afternoon (yes, sunday....) Now I´m a little terrified, but there´s no glory on hiding from the truth, so, we´ll see if it was just a bad batch of plastic, or if it´s a widespread problem. Has anyone compared bar codes or something like that on the boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_BS-AS Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Hello again ! The VF-171 CF came today and, for now at least, it´s safe and sound. Every part in its place and, looking first hand that particular triangle piece, I can see why it brokes. If you don´t fold it in the right way, it´ll fall of. And by that I´m not saying that anyone of us has broke it, but in the factory, when assembling, it only takes "a mistake", and the piece is gone... Well. For now, it´s in one piece. And it´s quite beatiful ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The parts that are breaking for many of us have nothing to do with falling off due to being folded wrong or factory assembly, they actually crack and break, sometimes into several pieces. It's bad plastic. If it were incorrect folding then it would have also happened on the Alto version, and it never did happen with that one. Transform yours a few times and get back to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Yeah, at first I thought it was improper folding, but I've had parts that don't do much just break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The parts that are breaking for many of us have nothing to do with falling off due to being folded wrong or factory assembly, they actually crack and break, sometimes into several pieces. It's bad plastic. If it were incorrect folding then it would have also happened on the Alto version, and it never did happen with that one. Transform yours a few times and get back to us. I don't have mine out but does the plastic feel different between the two? I was thinking it was bad folding at the factory too that left the thin plastic in a position where it was under pressure and then just finally cracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The parts on mine were aligned correctly straight out of the box. It didn't crack until after the second transformation, and then fully broke during later transformations. If the plastic was weakened at the production level somehow (moisture can do it) it wouldn't really look or feel any different than the plastic on the Alto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duymon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) I have 4 ALto 171's and none of them have these issues. ALso have 6 171 CF's and none of them have this problem. THen again, when I transform I take the shoulders off the metal joint. Reason I do this is because I can tell that there will be extra stress on the the folding bottom LERX as it rubs and presses against the shoulder when you move it in or out. As for the cracked Shoulders on the NUN's section , never seen this on all my CF-171's. If it makes any difference, all of my 171's were first-batch. Edited August 5, 2013 by Duymon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I think you just really lucked on on your purchases. I don't think it's user error that is causing these things to have stress marks/crack and break. It certainly wasn't a problem with Alto's 171EX. The most I've seen with that release was just missing parts. Of the two 171s I got, the one I got from NY was flawed all around with missing and stray pieces, and a stress mark in one of the shoulders out of the box which eventually led to it cracking and breaking. The other I got from HLJ has been perfect. I had transformed it back and forth multiple times while weathering it and taking photos of it and didn't notice any issues. I'm still going to try to avoid transforming that one any further if I can help it. These two were first batch as well, so I don't think it makes any difference. It's just luck of the draw on whether you get a problem free one or not. You probably should have done the lotto when you found out you had 6 good ones. Or perhaps not because you may have used up all your luck with the 171s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I have 4 ALto 171's and none of them have these issues. ALso have 6 171 CF's and none of them have this problem. THen again, when I transform I take the shoulders off the metal joint. Reason I do this is because I can tell that there will be extra stress on the the folding bottom LERX as it rubs and presses against the shoulder when you move it in or out. As for the cracked Shoulders on the NUN's section , never seen this on all my CF-171's. If it makes any difference, all of my 171's were first-batch. how are you taking them off that joint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 how are you taking them off that joint? You can just pull it right off. It's actually very easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbot Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Is this a part that could be remade on Shapeways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Is this a part that could be remade on Shapeways? I don't see why not. Even so, you would still have to deal with it lacking the white "NUNS" printed on it though or figure out how to get it on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukenzero Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I think you're going to have to see your local priest about that one. I am not a man of the cloth. He needs to do some serious exorcisms to get ride of exploding NUNS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_BS-AS Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hi everyone. Reading the comments about my post, I have to say that I made the mistake of reffering to ANOTHER part. The one that folds inwards and below the NUNS piece. I´m sorry for the mistake. Even so, I believed that in the factory some "operator" has to assemble the Valkyrie and partially transform some of it(the arms, for example), and in the case of the upper part of the arms, if you do WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY, and pull up the upper part inwards the shoulder (parallel to the shoulder line), the NUNS piece came with a lot of stress. I´ve taken extreme caution on that part, and I didn´t put the arms as the instruction says just for precaution. And, if you press too much on the pad, given that that plastic part seems to have durability problems, as all of you correctly point, it´ll broke. Maybe the pin is a little too wide for the hole on the plastic? My bad, again, for the mistake. And, we´ll see how all this turn out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Whatever the case may be, there is clearly something different with the CF version Hi everyone. Reading the comments about my post, I have to say that I made the mistake of reffering to ANOTHER part. The one that folds inwards and below the NUNS piece. I´m sorry for the mistake. Even so, I believed that in the factory some "operator" has to assemble the Valkyrie and partially transform some of it(the arms, for example), and in the case of the upper part of the arms, if you do WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY, and pull up the upper part inwards the shoulder (parallel to the shoulder line), the NUNS piece came with a lot of stress. I´ve taken extreme caution on that part, and I didn´t put the arms as the instruction says just for precaution. And, if you press too much on the pad, given that that plastic part seems to have durability problems, as all of you correctly point, it´ll broke. Maybe the pin is a little too wide for the hole on the plastic? My bad, again, for the mistake. And, we´ll see how all this turn out The instructions for the Alto 171 say the same thing and none of those broke. I still have no reason to believe it has anything to do with how we are transforming the thing for the simple fact that none of these same parts broke on the Alto. There is clearly something very different with this release, and since the parts and their alignment look the same I can only deduce that its a bad batch of plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_BS-AS Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Whatever the case may be, there is clearly something different with the CF version The instructions for the Alto 171 say the same thing and none of those broke. I still have no reason to believe it has anything to do with how we are transforming the thing for the simple fact that none of these same parts broke on the Alto. There is clearly something very different with this release, and since the parts and their alignment look the same I can only deduce that its a bad batch of plastic. Fair enough. And I agree with you. Maybe I don´t want to admit that I have a "self-destructing-valkyrie" in my shelf... Btw, Bandai hasn´t state anything about this? Anyone fluent in japanese, that could pick something in their forums, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 It would be fantastic if Bandai would address the issue. All they would have to do to fix it is include new shoulder pads with the upcoming super packs since all of the problem pieces are contained within them and they are easy to remove and replace. I have no expectations that they'll do such a thing, but I'll keep my fingers crossed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzgundam010 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I think we will have a better chance getting replacement parts with Shapeways than with Bandai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loop Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Yeah with Bandai you are supposed to send in the whole toy for exchange or repair. This is not feasible for a lot of the members on this forum because either they don't have a Japanese contact for an address or really want to pay the insane shipping costs to send them back. I had to return my Alto Custom YF-29 it cost me 60USD via Fed-Ex and USPS quoted me 100USD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Yeah with Bandai you are supposed to send in the whole toy for exchange or repair. This is not feasible for a lot of the members on this forum because either they don't have a Japanese contact for an address or really want to pay the insane shipping costs to send them back. I had to return my Alto Custom YF-29 it cost me 60USD via Fed-Ex and USPS quoted me 100USD. Not to mention there's no guarantee you'll get a problem free toy back. You could get another problematic piece of junk that is either better or worse and have to decide again if you want to gamble another $40+ to ship again for try number 2. It's so completely retarded when it would be cheaper for both parties involved if they would just send replacement parts like Yamato did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 They should just give you a free new toy of your choice that is problem free. Less fussing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Does the alto version have the same problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossJunkie Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Does the alto version have the same problems? These issues didn't start until the 171 CF came out. Alto's was more or less fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miro79 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Great! Im in, black triangle thingy broke on my CF. I left it in Battroid mode for some weeks, and some minutes ago i started to transform it back to fighter mode. Used absolutly no force to move it, it just fell out. Shoulder pad fell off too. What a sh*t toy! I'm angry now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'd be happy with a broken Triangle, my body swing arm just fell apart. It's definitely a different plastic. Shitty plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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