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Macross itself has some specific words for the different types of vehicles:

Human side:

  • Battroid (mainly the humanoid form of the Variable Fighters)
  • Destroids (humanoid walking tanks)

Zentrādi side:

  • Battlesuits (humanoid shaped pods)
  • Pods (everything not a Battlesuit)
  • Mobile Weapons (all of the above)

 

So, going back to the OP, the Kerukaria [Quel-Quallie] and Recovery Pod can be referred to as "(Zentrādi) mecha", "(Zentrādi) Mobile Weapons", or "Zentrādi Pods".

 

 

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The wikipedia page for Mecha is pretty informative as far as the etymology of the word in the first few paragraphs there. It is a Japanese word meaning machine in the broadest definition and "giant robot" in the narrowest definition. The wiki seems to imply the term "mecha" does not exist in Japan. Japan uses the word "robot anime" and not "mecha anime." I would assume the English word "mecha," derived from the Japanese word, is strictly used for fictional machines.

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11 hours ago, sketchley said:

Macross itself has some specific words for the different types of vehicles:

Human side:

  • Battroid (mainly the humanoid form of the Variable Fighters)
  • Destroids (humanoid walking tanks)

Zentrādi side:

  • Battlesuits (humanoid shaped pods)
  • Pods (everything not a Battlesuit)
  • Mobile Weapons (all of the above)

 

So, going back to the OP, the Kerukaria [Quel-Quallie] and Recovery Pod can be referred to as "(Zentrādi) mecha", "(Zentrādi) Mobile Weapons", or "Zentrādi Pods".

 

 

I don't know if this was intentionally done. But I notice that almost all the mechanics that are classified as ''Pods'' has a cyclops visior. Except for the re-entry landing craft. 

 

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21 hours ago, Invid99 said:

I don't know if this was intentionally done. But I notice that almost all the mechanics that are classified as ''Pods'' has a cyclops visior. Except for the re-entry landing craft. 

Pods.jpg

I believe this reflects the commonality of the Zentraedi mechanics. The Glaug and the Reguld have the same slit shaped camera, and so does the Salvage Ship. Likely the same model there. The Quei-Quallie and the Gnerl have different designs. Now why would they choose a similar design everywhere? Well the obvious answer would be easier maintenance, but the Zentraedi were said to understand very little besides operating them so... we don't know why really. 

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18 hours ago, Biomaster said:

I believe this reflects the commonality of the Zentraedi mechanics. The Glaug and the Reguld have the same slit shaped camera, and so does the Salvage Ship. Likely the same model there. The Quei-Quallie and the Gnerl have different designs. Now why would they choose a similar design everywhere? Well the obvious answer would be easier maintenance, but the Zentraedi were said to understand very little besides operating them so... we don't know why really. 

Speaking as an engineer: you use the same design everywhere because it works and designing a new one is a pain.

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4 hours ago, Sanity is Optional said:

Speaking as an engineer: you use the same design everywhere because it works and designing a new one is a pain.

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

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5 hours ago, Biomaster said:

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

It's the latter, the Zentradi were designed to not know stuff like that and just use stuff made for them by the factory satellites. After the Protoculture were gone that stuff kept working making new stuff based on existing designs. Nothing changed or upgraded, just got replaced.

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6 hours ago, Biomaster said:

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

When the ancient Protoculture created the Zentradi to fight their wars for them, several measures were taken to ensure that the Zentradi wouldn't - or couldn't - turn on them.  They thoroughly indoctrinated the Zentradi to limit their thinking to matters within the strict military hierarchy created for them and instill obedience to the Protoculture's directives.  They also deliberately limited the education available to the Zentradi to the training needed to fulfill their military role and also forbade them any knowledge of (non-military) culture and creative/productive pursuits.

This left the Zentradi dependent on the Protoculture at the top of the chain of command for their literal and figurative marching orders, and on the factory satellites created for them for every aspect their logistical support from troop replacements to production of fresh weapons and ammunition.

You could say that the so-called "Lost" Zentradi who have not yet encountered Earth's culture see their technology as a series of black boxes.  They know that it works, and they know how to work it, but beyond that they have no real understanding of how it works or how to repair it when it breaks down.  To them, "it just works".

So even if the Zentradi were to actually examine their factory satellites and clap eyes on the "blueprints" for what it was making, it wouldn't mean a thing to them because they lack both the basic knowledge and frame of reference to properly understand what they're looking at.

 

52 minutes ago, Master Dex said:

It's the latter, the Zentradi were designed to not know stuff like that and just use stuff made for them by the factory satellites. After the Protoculture were gone that stuff kept working making new stuff based on existing designs. Nothing changed or upgraded, just got replaced.

It's not entirely true that there are no changes or upgrades.  Macross Chronicle's Mechanic Sheet for the Factory Satellite in the original series mentions that it has the some capacity to make incremental improvements to the standardized weapons it produces and has presumably been doing so for ~500,000 years.

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6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

When the ancient Protoculture created the Zentradi to fight their wars for them, several measures were taken to ensure that the Zentradi wouldn't - or couldn't - turn on them.  They thoroughly indoctrinated the Zentradi to limit their thinking to matters within the strict military hierarchy created for them and instill obedience to the Protoculture's directives.  They also deliberately limited the education available to the Zentradi to the training needed to fulfill their military role and also forbade them any knowledge of (non-military) culture and creative/productive pursuits.

This left the Zentradi dependent on the Protoculture at the top of the chain of command for their literal and figurative marching orders, and on the factory satellites created for them for every aspect their logistical support from troop replacements to production of fresh weapons and ammunition.

You could say that the so-called "Lost" Zentradi who have not yet encountered Earth's culture see their technology as a series of black boxes.  They know that it works, and they know how to work it, but beyond that they have no real understanding of how it works or how to repair it when it breaks down.  To them, "it just works".

So even if the Zentradi were to actually examine their factory satellites and clap eyes on the "blueprints" for what it was making, it wouldn't mean a thing to them because they lack both the basic knowledge and frame of reference to properly understand what they're looking at. 

Now that I think about it, it was indeed the latter of the two options I mentioned in the TV series. Thanks for the memory rundown. 

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