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Macross itself has some specific words for the different types of vehicles:

Human side:

  • Battroid (mainly the humanoid form of the Variable Fighters)
  • Destroids (humanoid walking tanks)

Zentrādi side:

  • Battlesuits (humanoid shaped pods)
  • Pods (everything not a Battlesuit)
  • Mobile Weapons (all of the above)

 

So, going back to the OP, the Kerukaria [Quel-Quallie] and Recovery Pod can be referred to as "(Zentrādi) mecha", "(Zentrādi) Mobile Weapons", or "Zentrādi Pods".

 

 

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The wikipedia page for Mecha is pretty informative as far as the etymology of the word in the first few paragraphs there. It is a Japanese word meaning machine in the broadest definition and "giant robot" in the narrowest definition. The wiki seems to imply the term "mecha" does not exist in Japan. Japan uses the word "robot anime" and not "mecha anime." I would assume the English word "mecha," derived from the Japanese word, is strictly used for fictional machines.

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11 hours ago, sketchley said:

Macross itself has some specific words for the different types of vehicles:

Human side:

  • Battroid (mainly the humanoid form of the Variable Fighters)
  • Destroids (humanoid walking tanks)

Zentrādi side:

  • Battlesuits (humanoid shaped pods)
  • Pods (everything not a Battlesuit)
  • Mobile Weapons (all of the above)

 

So, going back to the OP, the Kerukaria [Quel-Quallie] and Recovery Pod can be referred to as "(Zentrādi) mecha", "(Zentrādi) Mobile Weapons", or "Zentrādi Pods".

 

 

I don't know if this was intentionally done. But I notice that almost all the mechanics that are classified as ''Pods'' has a cyclops visior. Except for the re-entry landing craft. 

 

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21 hours ago, Invid99 said:

I don't know if this was intentionally done. But I notice that almost all the mechanics that are classified as ''Pods'' has a cyclops visior. Except for the re-entry landing craft. 

Pods.jpg

I believe this reflects the commonality of the Zentraedi mechanics. The Glaug and the Reguld have the same slit shaped camera, and so does the Salvage Ship. Likely the same model there. The Quei-Quallie and the Gnerl have different designs. Now why would they choose a similar design everywhere? Well the obvious answer would be easier maintenance, but the Zentraedi were said to understand very little besides operating them so... we don't know why really. 

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18 hours ago, Biomaster said:

I believe this reflects the commonality of the Zentraedi mechanics. The Glaug and the Reguld have the same slit shaped camera, and so does the Salvage Ship. Likely the same model there. The Quei-Quallie and the Gnerl have different designs. Now why would they choose a similar design everywhere? Well the obvious answer would be easier maintenance, but the Zentraedi were said to understand very little besides operating them so... we don't know why really. 

Speaking as an engineer: you use the same design everywhere because it works and designing a new one is a pain.

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4 hours ago, Sanity is Optional said:

Speaking as an engineer: you use the same design everywhere because it works and designing a new one is a pain.

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

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5 hours ago, Biomaster said:

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

It's the latter, the Zentradi were designed to not know stuff like that and just use stuff made for them by the factory satellites. After the Protoculture were gone that stuff kept working making new stuff based on existing designs. Nothing changed or upgraded, just got replaced.

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6 hours ago, Biomaster said:

Exactly. Even I, a non-engineer, know that much. You go for commonality and easy replacement. Now what is really baffling is the fact we know the Zentraedi actually knew next-to-nothing about mechanics besides operating their spaceships and power suits. Hell, the small enclosed room Britai used for the first two thirds of SDF never got repaired after the big breakout of Hikaru and co. So either the earlier Zentraedi actually knew about mechanics, designed every single pod and forgot about them, or the factory satellites run off pre-existing Protoculture blueprints the Zentraedi never bothered to examine. 

When the ancient Protoculture created the Zentradi to fight their wars for them, several measures were taken to ensure that the Zentradi wouldn't - or couldn't - turn on them.  They thoroughly indoctrinated the Zentradi to limit their thinking to matters within the strict military hierarchy created for them and instill obedience to the Protoculture's directives.  They also deliberately limited the education available to the Zentradi to the training needed to fulfill their military role and also forbade them any knowledge of (non-military) culture and creative/productive pursuits.

This left the Zentradi dependent on the Protoculture at the top of the chain of command for their literal and figurative marching orders, and on the factory satellites created for them for every aspect their logistical support from troop replacements to production of fresh weapons and ammunition.

You could say that the so-called "Lost" Zentradi who have not yet encountered Earth's culture see their technology as a series of black boxes.  They know that it works, and they know how to work it, but beyond that they have no real understanding of how it works or how to repair it when it breaks down.  To them, "it just works".

So even if the Zentradi were to actually examine their factory satellites and clap eyes on the "blueprints" for what it was making, it wouldn't mean a thing to them because they lack both the basic knowledge and frame of reference to properly understand what they're looking at.

 

52 minutes ago, Master Dex said:

It's the latter, the Zentradi were designed to not know stuff like that and just use stuff made for them by the factory satellites. After the Protoculture were gone that stuff kept working making new stuff based on existing designs. Nothing changed or upgraded, just got replaced.

It's not entirely true that there are no changes or upgrades.  Macross Chronicle's Mechanic Sheet for the Factory Satellite in the original series mentions that it has the some capacity to make incremental improvements to the standardized weapons it produces and has presumably been doing so for ~500,000 years.

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6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

When the ancient Protoculture created the Zentradi to fight their wars for them, several measures were taken to ensure that the Zentradi wouldn't - or couldn't - turn on them.  They thoroughly indoctrinated the Zentradi to limit their thinking to matters within the strict military hierarchy created for them and instill obedience to the Protoculture's directives.  They also deliberately limited the education available to the Zentradi to the training needed to fulfill their military role and also forbade them any knowledge of (non-military) culture and creative/productive pursuits.

This left the Zentradi dependent on the Protoculture at the top of the chain of command for their literal and figurative marching orders, and on the factory satellites created for them for every aspect their logistical support from troop replacements to production of fresh weapons and ammunition.

You could say that the so-called "Lost" Zentradi who have not yet encountered Earth's culture see their technology as a series of black boxes.  They know that it works, and they know how to work it, but beyond that they have no real understanding of how it works or how to repair it when it breaks down.  To them, "it just works".

So even if the Zentradi were to actually examine their factory satellites and clap eyes on the "blueprints" for what it was making, it wouldn't mean a thing to them because they lack both the basic knowledge and frame of reference to properly understand what they're looking at. 

Now that I think about it, it was indeed the latter of the two options I mentioned in the TV series. Thanks for the memory rundown. 

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This came across my feed yesterday and i watched (the clip art!) and while reading the subtitles, it occurred to me. Quazam states that one of his gunner's is due to RETIRE (an otherwise significant plot hole in the perceived society of the Zentradi). Retirement? Obviously, at the time, the whole concept of the Zentradi wasn't at the Mass Produced Disposable Soldier wasn't a thing yet (probably) so what was Retirement to a Zentradi? As is? Honorable suicide? Solent Green? or something else entirely, themed from 1981 Japanese society itself?

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1 hour ago, TehPW said:

This came across my feed yesterday and i watched (the clip art!) and while reading the subtitles, it occurred to me. Quazam states that one of his gunner's is due to RETIRE (an otherwise significant plot hole in the perceived society of the Zentradi). Retirement? Obviously, at the time, the whole concept of the Zentradi wasn't at the Mass Produced Disposable Soldier wasn't a thing yet (probably) so what was Retirement to a Zentradi? As is? Honorable suicide? Solent Green? or something else entirely, themed from 1981 Japanese society itself?

Even in the original Macross TV series, the concept of the Zentradi was that they were an inconceivably huge clone army waging an unending space war with an inexhaustible supply of autonomously mass-produced expendable clone soldiers and war materiel.  It would be a few episodes before the series started to reveal that to the audience, however, and the series put more emphasis on them being "not so different" from humans where the later movie played up their alien-ness and made their origin as clones central to the movie Protoculture's downfall.

As to what constitutes "retirement" in a clone army that has no concept of nonmilitary life and an ethos of "it is in battle one finds life"... your guess is as good as mine.

The nicest possibility I can think of would be that the "retired" soldier is sent to the rear to train newly arrived replacement troops.

More likely, it's a euphemism for euthanasia and biomass recycling similar to how a micloning system "recycles" the user's old body after transferring their consciousness to the newly grown one. 

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5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

More likely, it's a euphemism for euthanasia and biomass recycling similar to how a micloning system "recycles" the user's old body after transferring their consciousness to the newly grown one. 

Hmmm...this makes me wonder if micloning could be used for some other stuff...such as replacing damaged bodies, or even retaining the DNA of a younger version so that aging could be deteated.

Simply transfer the consciousness to a younger body...

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22 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

Hmmm...this makes me wonder if micloning could be used for some other stuff...such as replacing damaged bodies, or even retaining the DNA of a younger version so that aging could be deteated.

Simply transfer the consciousness to a younger body...

I think you're talking about a different anime -- Ghost In The Shell. ;) 

 

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36 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

Hmmm...this makes me wonder if micloning could be used for some other stuff...such as replacing damaged bodies, or even retaining the DNA of a younger version so that aging could be deteated.

Simply transfer the consciousness to a younger body...

Apparently not, given that cybernetics seems to be the method of choice even for things like replacing damaged/lost limbs.

Why it would have such a limitation when it's designed to replicate a humanoid body in all its intricate detail is unclear.

 

11 minutes ago, no3Ljm said:

I think you're talking about a different anime -- Ghost In The Shell. ;) 

Macross Galaxy basically went full Ghost in the Shell... so not as much as you'd think.

In the novelization of Macross FrontierMacross VF-X2 antagonist Manfred Brando effectively Ghost in the Shell'd himself.  A digital copy of his consciousness created before he died in battle with the VF-X Ravens in 2051 is "living" in the Macross Galaxy fleet as a purely electronic life form and is actively involved in the fleet's implant network conspiracy.  Grace and a few others (incl. Manfred) make fairly liberal use of Motoko's favorite trick of remotely operating a cybernetic body from somewhere else too.

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45 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Macross Galaxy basically went full Ghost in the Shell... so not as much as you'd think.

In the novelization of Macross FrontierMacross VF-X2 antagonist Manfred Brando effectively Ghost in the Shell'd himself.  A digital copy of his consciousness created before he died in battle with the VF-X Ravens in 2051 is "living" in the Macross Galaxy fleet as a purely electronic life form and is actively involved in the fleet's implant network conspiracy.  Grace and a few others (incl. Manfred) make fairly liberal use of Motoko's favorite trick of remotely operating a cybernetic body from somewhere else too.

Oops. I forgot about that. Hehehe. :lol: Thanks @Seto Kaiba:drinks:

 

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From what I recall cloning and some genetic engineering was used to beef up human population mostly for the emigration projects but after a bit (I think in the 2020s) genetic diseases started appearing as a result and by then they had enough numbers so they decided to put an end to the practice since they could continue the traditional way.

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9 hours ago, Scream Man said:

Rewatching the Delta movie, and they mention that theres mention of how cloning was banned in the Spacy. since that was such a big part of how humanity survived SW1, is there any mention of why the practice was abandoned and made illegal? 

The Spacy is the space forces branch of the New Unification Government's military.

What's mentioned in the movie is that the practice of cloning is prohibited under interstellar law/treaty.  

The New UN Government used the cloning technology it obtained from surviving Zentradi 118th Main Fleet defectors to carry out a large scale human cloning program that began in mid-2010 in order to duplicate individuals with valuable/essential skills and to accelerate the recovery of the human population to a sustainable level.  The program was terminated in 2030 when a sharp increase in recessive hereditary diseases was detected in children and traced back to the overuse of cloning.

The ban, at least as described, is more about the use of cloning technology for military purposes.

By any rational standard, Mikumo Guynemer is an experimental clone soldier created by Xaos at Lady M's order.  For all practical intents and purposes, she's a slave... and that's only the tip of the iceberg of awfulness surrounding her creation.

The ban on cloning was probably intended to prevent, and criminalize, exactly the kind of abhorrent human rights abuses that something like that inherently entails.

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