Zor Primus Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 (edited) I'll put good money that the "mysterious" enemy in the new movie will be the Haydonites 350447[/snapback] Excuse my ignorance, but what are "Haydonites"? Are they followers of Hayden Christiansen? Graham 350637[/snapback] Great reply...those are the "other" Haydenites that worship small hands though... The RT version are like a race of synthetic life forms along the lines of Data and I, Robot only taller. Edited December 8, 2005 by Zor Primus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 The Haydonites are just one of the many races that the "Expeditionary Force" encounters on their way to the "Robotech Master's" homeworld. 350638[/snapback] Robotech Masters? Ah....you mean Harmony Gold right? Afterall, are they not the masters of Robotech. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Ugh.... Review of Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles #5 The Good - Janice takes control of her new body by downloading her remaining conciousness into it. Still creepy looking without the use of the holo-projector. - Brief appearance by Dana Sterling in an unexplained confrontation with Maia, her younger sister. Design of Dana not bad, with her characteristic short hair, minus the poof ball style. She still has some sort of comm device on her left ear, though not the kind seen in Southern Cross (less high tech looking, in fact). - Test of Neutron-S Missile shows it in fact has the power of a small nova, just as Exedore stated of the weapons being built on the Factory Satellite in eps. #30 Viva Miriya. - The Battlecruiser UES Icarus is obviously a modified version of the standard Shimikaze-class with the addition of the Synchro-cannon to her forward end. - Minmay is shuffled offstage to Tirol and escorted by Jack Baker. So, neither of them will be in The Shadow Chronicles, though I would have liked Baker to appear. I couldn't give two sh!ts about Minmay. Too bad they simply didn't just off her. - Exedore shows up again, looking even more like Dess from Southern Cross. - Marcus Rush shows up, Marlene's little brother.....apparently Dana doesn't have a brother when she mentions one, but Marlene has one whom she never told anyone about in the brief amount of time we knew her. - SDF-4 Liberator....not a bad name. The Bad - Lisa gives up command of the SDF-3 to be an Ambassador to the Sentinels worlds. Military Governor of a Colony world I could believe. Ambassador to a bunch of Furries? Lame..... - Rem and Cabell show up. Why? Cabell is supposed to be dead at this point. What's more, Rem apparently doesn't know anything about the incidents surrounding Zor Prime and Dana, cause he asks her, apparently for the first time, 'Do I know you?' to which she replies 'In another lifetime'. Kind of pointless, to tell the truth as it leaves more questions than it answers. - In the very next panel, Dana and Maia come together and Dana walks off, somewhat sad looking. Why? Whats more, we are left hanging concerning Dana and Maia's brother that Dana mentioned in eps. #50 Triumvirate. - Commander Karen Penn reports to Admiral Hunter that the 36th (Jupiter) Division has dispatched an advance squadron under the command of Lt. Sue Graham, including a prototype small synchro-cannon. Umm, I do believe that Graham was neither in command of a unit (she was an Intel Operative on an information gathering assignment) nor was it simply a squadron. In eps. #83 Reflex Point, she states her entire BATTALION has been destroyed. My guess is that it was a combined arms Infantry unit (we see a group of Cyclone infantry get killed in the opening moments) with air assets attached. The Ugly - A great deal of the dialogue in the Edwards final show-down fight is lame. I expected Edwards to be replaced with a mustachioed Snidely Whiplash. - Edwards looks like something from Inu Yasha and/or La Blue Girl/Urotsukidoji. I can easily see some sick puppy making a tentacle sex ladden parody of this. - Apparently, the use of the Neutron-S Missiles was General Reinhardt's idea. Yep, its easy to blame a character named in The Masters War for all the woes of Robotech. No, can't have little Ricky Hunter actually think that one up himself. - Speaking of which, the Neutron-S Missiles are now weapons built by Edwards during the year his forces were on Optera. Thats right, they have the infrastructure to build 10, count 'em 10, weapons platforms that are each bigger than an SDF-type warship in just 365 days....without ANY kind of ship building facilities nor any heavy equipment to do so. Never mind the thousands of personnel required. - During the test of the single Neutron-S Missile in the Omicron Sector, Exedore says he's seen this before. Well no f*cking duh, morons! He's the one that told Gloval about these weapons in Viva Miriya. The UEG had access to these weapons for over 30 yrs at this point. You can also be damned sure that Gloval was intending on using them against the Masters cause he plainly states that the expedition is going to take the war to the Masters and destroy their means of making war. - The Shadow Dimensional Field apparently has control over the gravitational properties of the neutron star matter used as the explosive core of the Neutron-S Missiles. Funny, I could swear we see The Masters have control over gravity in The Masters War, as well as stealth, but apparently this is some kind of 'lost technology' that the Masters didn't have. - The UEEF Council sounds far more bloodthirsty than the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the UEF during the 2nd Robotech War. Yet, we are to believe that this same council condemned Supreme Commander Leonard (their boss, btw) for not negotiating with the Masters during the 2nd Robotech War. Hipocrisy, Robotech style. - Shinano-class Cruiser: SDF-03 Pioneer and Izumo-class Cruiser: SDF-04 Liberator. Ok, where are the Shinano and Izumo? Ship class names are taken from the first ship of that wave. Not so in Robotech apparently. - Maia tells Commander Taylor that Marcus and Alex Romero are so young. Ok, fine. Someone please explain to me about Maia's age then? Is she supposed to be in her 20s, as the Tv series would suggest from the age of Maia in Dana's hallucination in Catastrophe? That would mean that Dana knew of her well before the hallucination, what with Realtime FTL comm availability during the time leading up to the 2nd Robotech War. Notes: - There are apparently scenes that have been filmed for The Shadow Chronicles that will not appear in the final cut. These leaves room for an Unrated Extended Edition/Director's Cut later on. - Some of the classic themes from the Robotech soundtrack will be preserved and/or reworked in The Shadow Chronicles. We are, however, going to be treated to new themes for new characters. I bet Maia and Marcus each get a theme. A pathetic end to a pathetic series. Cyclone said it best when he stated that the Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles should have been a totally separate series from this horrid wrap-up of The Sentinels. Not only does it leave a sh!tload of unanswered questions, its poorly written and rather poorly conceived. I give the whole series a Flunking grade. Too much was wrong with it overall to make up for the few bright spots. Edited January 20, 2006 by 1st Border Red Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Snidely Whiplash.- Edwards looks like something from Inu Yasha and/or La Blue Girl/Urotsukidoji. I can easily see some sick puppy making a tentacle sex ladden parody of this. ... - There are apparently scenes that have been filmed for The Shadow Chronicles that will not appear in the final cut. These leaves room for an Unrated Extended Edition/Director's Cut later on. Or maybe HG's already done it themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the in depth expose. I still want to give a shot at it though, despite the lack of continuity and credibility, among other things... Edited January 20, 2006 by myk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agr33 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 were are these reviews coming from about shadow chronicles, has the thing come out already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 were are these reviews coming from about shadow chronicles, has the thing come out already? 362213[/snapback] They're talking about the comic, not the actual animation. I saw the "trailer" which HG has been showing off at conventions and to potential distributors, and I wasn't entirely impressed. The animation quality seems respectably decent, but the trailer had a LOT of still images used which is a decidely low-budget trick used in animation. The little dialogue that was in the trailer was also pretty miserable, and this is coming from a guy who LIKED the original Robotech dub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Only the comic series has been released, and the comics are suppose to give some background information on how the Shadow Chronicles was going in production. With the end of the comic series here, should symbolize the release of the movie.......yet nothing has happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agr33 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 oh , ok , thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.actionjackson Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Maybe it hasn't been release because they can't find a distributor for their product? Coming from HG, it could be so bad no anime co wants to be responsible for trying to pawn it off on anime fans. Actually, kind of surprising when you consider how many lame movies go direct to video every week. Maybe they should have had Dean Cain and John Rhys-Davies in the cast and they could have had the sci-fi channel air it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Aggh, its back I thought this topic died with MGREXX, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zor Primus Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Aggh, its back I thought this topic died with MGREXX, 362260[/snapback] Shh, he'll hear you and spew his usual "master's degree" babble! So Maia Sterling and Marcus Rush. Two characters we can at least identify their heritage with. Guess we'll see where that goes. As for open plot holes and continuity issues why continue to be the rotting dead carcass of a horse with a stick anymore. Its Robotech, its HG, we know its their MO. I'm going to pickup SDF: Macross today to see what all the hype's about with the Puritsts Edited January 20, 2006 by Zor Primus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I thought Dana's sister was named Aurora or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Oh come on now, Roboschlock having continuity errors, plot holes, character renamings, errors of all kinds, I've never heard of such a thing.. It's as if they took three unrelated animes chopped them up and joined them with a really bad overlaying plot then created something else to try and tie up all their loose ends. Oh wait that is what they are doing, just really badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 All bashing aside, wonder why ADV isn't flippin the bill......... >_> *cough* cause they got no money *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 I thought Dana's sister was named Aurora or something.362311[/snapback] In the novels, yes. Interestingly, the name Maia is at least peripherally related to Aurora, in that its the name of a Roman goddess. More likely, however, is that Miriya and Max picked the name because its the brightest of the stars in the Pleiades Cluster. Of course, there is also the idea that its simply a contraction of Max and Miriya.... Oh come on now, Roboschlock having continuity errors, plot holes, character renamings, errors of all kinds, I've never heard of such a thing.. It's as if they took three unrelated animes chopped them up and joined them with a really bad overlaying plot then created something else to try and tie up all their loose ends. Oh wait that is what they are doing, just really badly. Actually, Robotech itself has few plot/continuity holes. Its mostly the crap created afterwards that riddled with errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Maybe it hasn't been release because they can't find a distributor for their product? Coming from HG, it could be so bad no anime co wants to be responsible for trying to pawn it off on anime fans. 362248[/snapback] From the panel I attended a few weekends ago, Kevin McKeever made it seem like they were still shopping for a distributor or at leats negotiations hadn't progressed to the point where he could disclose them. For what it's worth he also said the movie was a few weeks away from finishing production. Oh come on now, Roboschlock having continuity errors, plot holes, character renamings, errors of all kinds, I've never heard of such a thing.. It's as if they took three unrelated animes chopped them up and joined them with a really bad overlaying plot then created something else to try and tie up all their loose ends. Oh wait that is what they are doing, just really badly. Yeah, it's not like it has multiple conflicting sequels or inexplicable costume and character design changes or anything. Edited January 20, 2006 by yellowlightman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Maybe it hasn't been release because they can't find a distributor for their product? Coming from HG, it could be so bad no anime co wants to be responsible for trying to pawn it off on anime fans. Actually, kind of surprising when you consider how many lame movies go direct to video every week. Maybe they should have had Dean Cain and John Rhys-Davies in the cast and they could have had the sci-fi channel air it? 362248[/snapback] I don't see why they aren't just having ADV release it, they'll release anything! Most likely, HG needs an investor to help in post production, which makes it even more curious why ADV hasn't jumped in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_wong00 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't see why they aren't just having ADV release it, they'll release anything! Most likely, HG needs an investor to help in post production, which makes it even more curious why ADV hasn't jumped in... Perhaps there's something about this show that even ADV doesn't warrant support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.actionjackson Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Perhaps there's something about this show that even ADV doesn't warrant support? I'm of the mind that there's 2 big problems with this product: 1. The execution is hopelessly mediocre 2. The audience potential is small (hardcore RT geeks, some curious old school RT fans) so the profit potential is limited at best. The new anime fans in the US seem to be more interested in InuYasha or Naruto than anything involving giant ass kicking robots. I believe I read some time ago that another company was trying to revive Voltron a couple of years back and that still hasn't materialzied either. Ultimately, the bottom line is what's at stake for all involved. I'm betting that even if RTSC gets released, that an entire series would be a miracle. This will probably go into the $1 dvd bin next the RT Sentinels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 They probably think Robotech is a comatose franchise, and it looks as if this particular project could use quite an infusion of proto-er, I mean cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 How well did the RT: Remaster Editons sell? Did they even complete the Remaster series in the first place? If ADV got burnt on that lovely project, that could go a long way towards explaining why they're not doing Shadow Chronicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueeyes Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 How well did the RT: Remaster Editons sell? Did they even complete the Remaster series in the first place? 362675[/snapback] I don't know how sales were, but they did complete the series. They also offered the complete remastered set again in a big thin-pack box set called the "Protoculture Collection" with all the extras from the original release. I hardly ever see my local stores selling any of the RT DVD's so ADV may have burned themselves with the oversaturation and be unwilling to take another chance. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waters7 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I don't see why they aren't just having ADV release it, they'll release anything! Most likely, HG needs an investor to help in post production, which makes it even more curious why ADV hasn't jumped in... It's funny because according to the new RT creative staff, they didn't want to go with sponsors for the project because of the limitations involved in creativity. They have the mentality that if some one else comes along, they will force them to do things differently than first thought. I find this kind of ironic, because no sponsors means that they have to absorb all the costs of the project. Nowadays, making a movie like the one they want to make with Shadow Chronicles, cost a lot of $$$$$$$$$ Harmony Gold doesnt have the capital to invest in a project like this and besides, they are betting big with something that it was so dependable on shock value back in the 80's, because let's be honest, all the people that saw Robotech back in the days, kept coming back because there was nothing else on TV that presented the same concepts (soap opera type of story, deep character development, giant robots) except on Japan. Trying to do the same thing in an age where you can pick up anime even at walmart, it's really hard, if not impossible. Harmony Gold has no marketing tactics what so ever, I'm actually quite surprise that they were able to get this far with the shadow chronicles project and I'll be more surprise if a big distributor decides to back up the release of this OVA. Anyhow, I want to watch Shadow Chronicles because of the nostalgia and not because I'm expecting something along the lines of a Miyazaki film. Let's see how it goes when they release it to celebrate the 25 years of the Robotech series PS: by the way, does somebody know what is in the works for the 25th anniversary of Macross??? regards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I find the speculation about Harmony Gold's finances on this forum to be pretty humorous. The same thing happens with Toynami. Everybody seems to don their financial caps and decree they know how much it costs to make a series or a toy and then determines there is no way anyone in the Robotech camp is making money. So, being an accountant who actually specializes in these sorts of things (credit risk & profitability), I decided to do some ground-pounding and find out exactly how Harmony Gold's books look. Sadly, it would appear both companies are private (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Something to consider though, somebody somewhere is definitely loaning Harmony Gold a lot of money and that company knows exactly what HG is worth and they've come to the conclusion that they're a safe bet. Chances are this company/bank/syndication of banks feels HG is a safe bet because all of those DVDs and (often crappy) toys really are making money. Honestly, do you think if HG didn't make money on the crap tons of DVDs they produce they would keep issuing new versions of almost the exact same thing? One new DVD out there would mean one new excuse to create a new boxset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waters7 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) I find the speculation about Harmony Gold's finances on this forum to be pretty humorous. The same thing happens with Toynami. Everybody seems to don their financial caps and decree they know how much it costs to make a series or a toy and then determines there is no way anyone in the Robotech camp is making money. So, being an accountant who actually specializes in these sorts of things (credit risk & profitability), I decided to do some ground-pounding and find out exactly how Harmony Gold's books look. Sadly, it would appear both companies are private (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Something to consider though, somebody somewhere is definitely loaning Harmony Gold a lot of money and that company knows exactly what HG is worth and they've come to the conclusion that they're a safe bet. Chances are this company/bank/syndication of banks feels HG is a safe bet because all of those DVDs and (often crappy) toys really are making money. Honestly, do you think if HG didn't make money on the crap tons of DVDs they produce they would keep issuing new versions of almost the exact same thing? One new DVD out there would mean one new excuse to create a new boxset. Well Jenius, I'm making my comments based on the process that most major anime projects go through before being released to the masses. When they (HG) "created" Robotech back on the days, it was consider a low budget project by it's creators. HG didn't require a lot of money to put Robotech together. They actually got lucky that the show did rather well in TV ratings, opening the doors for more tv stations in getting the show. I'm pretty sure that HG has enough money in the bank as capital or in assests to get a loan for this project, but based on today's industry standards, It doesn't seem that they have enough capital to produce to show based on: 1.- Them taking to long to make the project 2.- Not able to release it even on their own time frames Somebody with the capital, the know how & most important, the support of sponsors who will cover the cost of the unexpected things, can produce an OVA of the same or even better quality than Shadow Chronicles in 1 year or even less. Unfortunately, HG is private and we can't get their annual income reports in order to come out with better ideas about their financial status, but then again, can you tell me about a company that will spend all this time and man hours for nothing?? Because so far, all that they have produced is a mini series of comics that only a few fans were happy enough to buy (more out of nostalgia and curiosity), a series of "collectables" that fall apart the moment that you take them out of the box. This my friend, doesnt talk good about a company, specially when it comes to getting money for new projects. If somebody ever backed up HG on the Shadow Chronicles project, probably pulled out long time ago (oh matchbox, where are you??) Regards... Edited January 22, 2006 by waters7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 My sources have told me, and I've mentioned this many times that ADV is not doing as well as it would like to lead the public to think. Rumor has it alot of Employees have left for other groups like FUNImation and GENON entertainment, even Voice Actors are choosing not too take much part in ADV projects cause of its fiancial issues. They're saying it could be any time ADV will file for Bankruptcy, it could be a large reason why ADV is not taking in the Shadow Force production. I blame ADV for releasing so many damn version of Robotech that they lost more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hey guys, didn't mean to sound catty in my last post. Just pointing out that we have more smoke than fire when it comes to figuring most of this stuff out and lamenting the fact there's not much else to go on. Shadow Chronicles may suck, it may suck because HG can't pull the money together to do something good, it may suck because it's written badly, it may suck for a lot of reasons. Nay-saying now won't reward us with anything more than an "I told you so" later though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 My sources have told me, and I've mentioned this many times that ADV is not doing as well as it would like to lead the public to think.Rumor has it alot of Employees have left for other groups like FUNImation and GENON entertainment, even Voice Actors are choosing not too take much part in ADV projects cause of its fiancial issues. They're saying it could be any time ADV will file for Bankruptcy, it could be a large reason why ADV is not taking in the Shadow Force production. I blame ADV for releasing so many damn version of Robotech that they lost more money. 362900[/snapback] Considering how lousy most of ADV's releases are, I can't say I feel much sympathy for them... Robotech or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) Shinano-class Cruiser, SDF-3 Pioneer Shimikaze-class Cruiser UES Icarus (should probably be the Icarus-class instead since its a modified Shimikaze) Edited January 23, 2006 by 1st Border Red Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoducks Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 From that angle they kinda remind me of the White Base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) the designs, underwhelm me, the should really have made the bow of the SDF-3 more narrow, nright now it just looks like a dumb bell Edited January 23, 2006 by Knight26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 the should really have made the bow of the SDF-3 more narrow Well, I told Tommy a couple of years back that the SDF-3 should have been shaped like that of a Tristar-class Cruiser Leader, since it was designed about the same time. Not that he would listen to someone like me since I'm only a fan. I think they really wanted ships that had the same Mospeada aesthetic as the Izumo and Ikazuchi's, though the standard Shimikaze's do have a bit of Southern Cross style in their forward bow section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) That's not the SDF-3 that I remember. Wasn't there a different rendering of that ship in, say, the Sentinels RPG book? It was basically a "re-interpretation" of the SDF-1, with an organic looking texture and was non-transformable... Edited January 23, 2006 by myk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 yeah I think they abdandoned that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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