UN Spacy Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 AmiAmi sold the Fire Valkyrie for 18,950 yen (MSRP of 22,000). It's a safe bet the VF-17 will sell as much. Their YF-29 sold for 12,320 yen (MSRP 17,000 yen), after it sold out the price jumped up to 15,480 yen. Their renewal VF-25F is selling for 10,150 yen (MSRP 14,000 yen). Will it go up after the restock? Most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Color is wrong, and why is cockpit clear? Definitely a pass.... Juuuust kiiding! Funny you should say that. I really like the way these molds look with the gray color. I'd probably prefer more realistic alternate colors to the actual animation on these birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae_productions Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 AmiAmi sold the Fire Valkyrie for 18,950 yen (MSRP of 22,000). It's a safe bet the VF-17 will sell as much. Their YF-29 sold for 12,320 yen (MSRP 17,000 yen), after it sold out the price jumped up to 15,480 yen. Their renewal VF-25F is selling for 10,150 yen (MSRP 14,000 yen). Will it go up after the restock? Most likely. That's just how the industry works. And opposite of the price increases, when toys don't sell, they get marked down. Such was the fate of most of the new Mospeada toys...they're all in the clearance bins. I wish I knew the scale of this fighter. Is it going to be a larger fighter, like the SV-51, or smaller, like the VF-1? If it's smaller in size than the fire Valk, maybe it'll be a little less up front. My wallet is hoping this is the case anyhow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrossnake Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 looks good, very expensive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Note the FAST Pack attachment points on the photo Graham Graham, which joints in battroid mode have detents and ratchets? For me, the more click joints, the better! Does the proto feel as solid as the Fire Valkyrie? Dunno, I've only seen pics, haven't acctually handled a test shot yet. Graham I wish I knew the scale of this fighter. Is it going to be a larger fighter, like the SV-51, or smaller, like the VF-1? If it's smaller in size than the fire Valk, maybe it'll be a little less up front. My wallet is hoping this is the case anyhow! The scale is 1/60, same as all Yamato's recent VF releases As for the size, in fighter mode, the VF-17 is shorter that the VF-19. Roughtly about the same length as the VF-11, or maybe a tad longer. In Battroid mode, it's pretty tall though. The top of the VF-17-S's head (excluding head lasers), comes to the top of The Fire Valks head fin. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The scale is 1/60, same as all Yamato's recent VF releases As for the size, in fighter mode, the VF-17 is shorter that the VF-19. Roughtly about the same length as the VF-11, or maybe a tad longer. In Battroid mode, it's pretty tall though. The top of the VF-17-S's head (excluding head lasers), comes to the top of The Fire Valks head fin. Graham According to the ad the Fire valk is 33cm long and the VF-17 28cm. Even though shorter, due to its proportions the VF-17 seems to be a still fairly big toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) Isn't Yamato risking it a bit by doing so little promotion of their big next releases? Bandai has been bombarding us with the 29 and the V2 25 for months. So true! After this many promotion pictures of YF-29 everywhere, is it possible to not to buy? Yamato should incline on promotion right now with more than two new products on hand! (VF-19S/F/P and VF-17S/D) Edited September 27, 2011 by charger69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Sorry not up on the Macross 7 valk's what kind of color combinations can we expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Sorry not up on the Macross 7 valk's what kind of color combinations can we expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 $300... whew. No way. I gotta draw the line somewhere. Guess I'll just keep trying to catch up on my SDF collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamadoma Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Not really sure about getting the Fast Packs since they somewhat deter me when it comes to Fighter mode (which would probably be my preferred mode of display). But then again, it's too early to say anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 In Battroid mode, it's pretty tall though. The top of the VF-17-S's head (excluding head lasers), comes to the top of The Fire Valks head fin. Graham Not that it concerns me any but won't some people piss and moan that that's too tall? I thought the VF-17 was slightly shorter than the VF-19 in Battroid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger69 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) Not that it concerns me any but won't some people piss and moan that that's too tall? I thought the VF-17 was slightly shorter than the VF-19 in Battroid. In fact, No Looking at this chart, being very sligthly taller than VF-19 in battroid mode is not big issue Edited September 27, 2011 by charger69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 In fact, No Looking at this chart, being very sligthly taller than VF-19 in battroid mode is not big issue "The top of the VF-17-S's head (excluding head lasers), comes to the top of The Fire Valks head fin." Except in that chart the VF-17's head doesn't stand as high as the tip of the Fire Valks head fin. They're pretty much exactly the same here, as was the assumption. But being as tall as the head fin is adding quite a bit more height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamadoma Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Having the VF-17 as tall as the Fire Valk doesn't concern me much since it's unlikely that I'll display them side by side in Battroid. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm more concerned when I saw pics before of a VF-11 MAXL being way too short in Battroid. I mean, like less than 3/4 of a VF/YF-19's height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The reason is that the Yamato VF-19 "shrinks" in Battroid. You could always just keep the hip hinges in the elongated position on the VF-19. It doesn't really look that odd, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Sounds like yamato should have used the same mechanism to shrink the 17 but all these toys play with scale a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm more concerned when I saw pics before of a VF-11 MAXL being way too short in Battroid. I mean, like less than 3/4 of a VF/YF-19's height. that's how it's supposed to be. The MAXL is only 11.24m vs the VF-19's 15.48m. She's a tiny robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Sounds like yamato should have used the same mechanism to shrink the 17 but all these toys play with scale a little bit. They're all about right in fighter mode. That's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 $300... whew. No way. I gotta draw the line somewhere. Guess I'll just keep trying to catch up on my SDF collection. Same for me. The ever looming possibility of ball jointed ankles alongside such a heft price tag make this a "no" for me. Maybe if it pops up on sale in the future. Right now, I'm saving for armored variants of the v.2 VF-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Same for me. The ever looming possibility of ball jointed ankles alongside such a heft price tag make this a "no" for me. Maybe if it pops up on sale in the future. Right now, I'm saving for armored variants of the v.2 VF-25. Um... you do realise that as far as QC goes there is the distinct possibility that the new VF-25s will be just as flawed as the YF-29? Loose hips and shoulders etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamadoma Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 that's how it's supposed to be. The MAXL is only 11.24m vs the VF-19's 15.48m. She's a tiny robot. Sad. But then again, no matter how much I ponder, Yamato won't be making one as Graham said before. I guess the main cons of the other two Sound Force units is that they got molds that are hard to milk. Back on topic, I'll probably wait for reviews on this before purchasing just to make sure that I don't get any problems instead of risking breaking mine while trying to figure out Yamato's cryptic manual. I always did like learning to transform my VFs via online videos. In fact, I've never transformed any VF in my collection without an online guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I always did like learning to transform my VFs via online videos. In fact, I've never transformed any VF in my collection without an online guide. you can count on me for more videos chief also Yamato should make a MAXL and do a Hatsune Miku variant for mega sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) Sad. But then again, no matter how much I ponder, Yamato won't be making one as Graham said before. I guess the main cons of the other two Sound Force units is that they got molds that are hard to milk. Back on topic, I'll probably wait for reviews on this before purchasing just to make sure that I don't get any problems instead of risking breaking mine while trying to figure out Yamato's cryptic manual. I always did like learning to transform my VFs via online videos. In fact, I've never transformed any VF in my collection without an online guide. I've got a feeling we'll see Ray's VF-17T custom get made. all that changes between it and the VF-17S/D is the head and the forward fuselage for the longer nose that doesn't seem like much more new tooling than the difference between the VF-19kai and the VF-19S/F. and all that have to do is change the head to make the Ray's nightmare custom into a Regular VF-17T training craft. and frankly I would love to see a VF-17T and as for transforming Macross toys for the first time; I always do it the proper way. I blindly manhandle the toy without any kind of instructions until it ends up in the mode I want. Edited September 27, 2011 by anime52k8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker773 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 my wallet will be hurting again... diamond force... roger.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 and as for transforming Macross toys for the first time; I always do it the proper way. I blindly manhandle the toy without any kind of instructions until it ends up in the mode I want. It's not like there isn't a precedent set for this.. I don't remember Hikaru ever getting an instruction manual. As far as the VF-17T is concerned, the changes would be a little more drastic than the VF-19s. Unless they somehow can elongate the cockpit backwards (which I don't think is accurate, because I remember the nose being longer), the entire chest area will need to be reworked to cover the bigger canopy. The nose length itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 It's not like there isn't a precedent set for this.. I don't remember Hikaru ever getting an instruction manual. As far as the VF-17T is concerned, the changes would be a little more drastic than the VF-19s. Unless they somehow can elongate the cockpit backwards (which I don't think is accurate, because I remember the nose being longer), the entire chest area will need to be reworked to cover the bigger canopy. The nose length itself The forearms also have to be changed to cover the cannon ports which may or may not affect the transformation depending on how Yamato has implemented it right now. They COULD always cheat and just do the paint scheme without modifying the body at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 So is the VF-17S. Macross 7 Mecha I am hoping that we can see a few of these color combinations. Not to keen on the yellow and black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 It's not like there isn't a precedent set for this.. I don't remember Hikaru ever getting an instruction manual. As far as the VF-17T is concerned, the changes would be a little more drastic than the VF-19s. Unless they somehow can elongate the cockpit backwards (which I don't think is accurate, because I remember the nose being longer), the entire chest area will need to be reworked to cover the bigger canopy. The nose length itself I went back and looked at the two schematics and I really don't think it would take that much to rework the nose for a 17T. While it's true the neck/cockpit need to be longer the transformation is the same and the addition of extra long neck also makes hiding the extra long cockpit easy and doesn't change the transformation in the torso at all. It's still more tricky than the VF-19 changes but shouldn't be too difficult. It would still be easier to just slap the paint scheme on a regular 17 and change the head though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Um... you do realise that as far as QC goes there is the distinct possibility that the new VF-25s will be just as flawed as the YF-29? Loose hips and shoulders etc... I know lol, but in the chance that the VF-25 is flawed, its a smaller hit to take compared to the VF-17. Now, if the VF-17 has ratchet ankles, I'll definetely re-consider! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I know lol, but in the chance that the VF-25 is flawed, its a smaller hit to take compared to the VF-17. Now, if the VF-17 has ratchet ankles, I'll definetely re-consider! I'm pretty sure Graham already said the ankles are going to be ball joint but that Yamato is reworking them to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I'm pretty sure Graham already said the ankles are going to be ball joint but that Yamato is reworking them to be better. No, I mentioned the VF-19S ankles would be improved. Basically, the tray that holds the ankle ball joint on the VF-19S will now have a metal plating, compared to just being painted as on the VF-19Kai. Using a metal plating allows Yamato to control the thickness of the plating more accurately compared with the layer of paint on the VF-19Kai. This should increas friction and have less wear compared to paint. I don't know about the VF-17S ankles, whether they are ball or ratchet joints. I have emailed Yamato today to ask. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I don't care how inaccurate the VF17 toys may be. The Yamato has a chunky battroid and appropriately big yet slender fighter mode. That's what I wanted from a VF17 toy. Even better if gerwalk can have arms in normal and high speed mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 No, I mentioned the VF-19S ankles would be improved. Basically, the tray that holds the ankle ball joint on the VF-19S will now have a metal plating, compared to just being painted as on the VF-19Kai. Using a metal plating allows Yamato to control the thickness of the plating more accurately compared with the layer of paint on the VF-19Kai. This should increas friction and have less wear compared to paint. I don't know about the VF-17S ankles, whether they are ball or ratchet joints. I have emailed Yamato today to ask. Graham The big problem with the ball joint on the 19 is that when you force the ball too forward or backwards, the ball forces the socket apart, you're using the leg as a lever to pry apart the two halves of the socket. Adding more friction won't really fix this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 The big problem with the ball joint on the 19 is that when you force the ball too forward or backwards, the ball forces the socket apart, you're using the leg as a lever to pry apart the two halves of the socket. Adding more friction won't really fix this. Hmmm.........perhaps people should try using a little less 'force'. The words "force" and "transforming plastic toys" are never a good mix. Seriously, if I had a spare junker VF-19, it would be an interesting experiment to see how much force is needed to force the socket apart. Haven't experienced this problem on my two VF-19 and I'm not gentle with them either. Not rough, but not gentle. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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