Funkenstein Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 For the most part, new Macross series's arent for kids. Since M+, I don't think there has been anything to indicate it's targeted to anyone other than adults. As for Robotech, its targeted to the kid at heart. Which means lots of toys and impossibly busty women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolicon Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Lol I remember we had to watch this movie in 9th grade.... in class. Me too. You know what this means? CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is being shown in our public schools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Me too. You know what this means? CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is being shown in our public schools! OH NOEZ, them DAMM Liberaaahs BE HURTIN OUR MORAL FaBRIC OF TEH SOCIETY WIT THEIR LEFT WIGN LITERTURATURE AND SH1T! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 For the most part, new Macross series's arent for kids. Since M+, I don't think there has been anything to indicate it's targeted to anyone other than adults. As for Robotech, its targeted to the kid at heart. Which means lots of toys and impossibly busty women. I remember reading somewhere that Frontier actually aired quite late at night in its original run, which would corroborate this... anyone can confirm? Google is failing me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Lol I remember we had to watch this movie in 9th grade.... in class. Yeah, me too in 8th grade, private school. Basil Exposition (Michael York) was also in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I remember reading somewhere that Frontier actually aired quite late at night in its original run, which would corroborate this... anyone can confirm? Google is failing me now. Yeah, it was on at, like one or two AM Thursday nights (or technically, Friday mornings). Most anime series these days air past midnight. Hell, when I went to Tokyo in Fall 2007, they were re-running SDFM at 3:30 AM Thursday mornings. I caught a few episodes before I got over the jet lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Yeah,, I had to watch that as well in high school. I think the subject has been pretty much dead for awhile now. Some people aren't gonna have the mental capacity to differentiate between art that's drawn and child porn. What's in Macross F isn't even gratuitous, i.e. no detail, and it's just like what, an astral projection? Anyways, it just seems like one of those issues that if dougieboy is gonna bring it up again, the response should be more of a "sure buddy" "whatever makes you feel better". Chalk up another argument as lost on his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDClip Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Yeah,, I had to watch that as well in high school. I think the subject has been pretty much dead for awhile now. Some people aren't gonna have the mental capacity to differentiate between art that's drawn and child porn. What's in Macross F isn't even gratuitous, i.e. no detail, and it's just like what, an astral projection? Anyways, it just seems like one of those issues that if dougieboy is gonna bring it up again, the response should be more of a "sure buddy" "whatever makes you feel better". Chalk up another argument as lost on his cause. Yep, if dougie wants to call MacF porn for undetailed nudity, he might as well make the same claim against Sailor Moon since they were underage and 'naked' during transformation or any manner of anime with similar pubicless and nippleless nudity. If you really want it simplified for you, it isn't pornography if it isn't presented in a sexual manner. If this guy believes what he is saying, he is completely off his nutt. There is a clear and obvious difference between nudity and pornography, or is he one of the people that considers works of art like Michelangelo's David obscene (Simpsons episode ) Edited December 13, 2009 by RDClip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 If this guy believes what he is saying, he is completely off his nutt. There is a clear and obvious difference between nudity and pornography, or is he one of the people that considers works of art like Michelangelo's David obscene (Simpsons episode ) It's obvious why he does it. It's so that he can make himself feel important in an otherwise pathetic life. Since he's on the "I hate everything Macross" bandwagon, he's gonna come up with anything he thinks might further some fruitless cause and try to run with it. fortunately, it makes no sense, and is unfounded, and aside from a great laugh at feable arguments, there's not much else to debate on that. I'm sure he'll still talk as if he actually has the intellect to engage in the conversation, but it's just for our benefit to laugh at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Since he's on the "I hate everything Macross" bandwagon, he's gonna come up with anything he thinks might further some fruitless cause and try to run with it. What I don't understand is the fixation with just that one issue of Ranka's nudity. Like - go read OUR Macross Frontier episode-by-episode discussion. Lots of criticism in those threads - lots. And later, lots of Macross fans have had critical things to say - heck - go read the Itano thread. But this dude just zeros in on this one thing and blows it out of proportion. I don't really get that. Am I to understand that he enjoyed the entire series - and then, at the very end - Ranka appeared naked which shocked him and made him hate it all of a sudden? And I mean... what about episode 8 - Sheryl's panties?? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) I remember reading somewhere that Frontier actually aired quite late at night in its original run, which would corroborate this... anyone can confirm? Google is failing me now. Just google a bit on late night anime and UHF stations, you'll get some insight on the working of anime broadcasting. Most of what we see is late night anime. On the major Japanese networks the only anime you'll find during the day/evening is the kids and family oriented material. Edited December 13, 2009 by Bri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veffidas Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Yep, if dougie wants to call MacF porn for undetailed nudity, he might as well make the same claim against Sailor Moon since they were underage and 'naked' during transformation or any manner of anime with similar pubicless and nippleless nudity. If you really want it simplified for you, it isn't pornography if it isn't presented in a sexual manner. Now, I realize that most everyone believes that it is not worth the fight, but I am still not exactly sure why everyone wants to battle it out in the harder to defend anime realm, allowing the other debater to even have ground to stand on. The gist of one of Doug's arguments relies on Macross fan's believing actual nudity of underaged persons being wrong while animated nudity of underaged persons is acceptable. The existence and award-winning acceptance of the 1968 Romeo and Juliet film (and its morning-after-sex scene) means that there are even cases where the general (U.S.) public believes actual nudity of underaged persons is artistically acceptable, i.e. the FBI will not come and arrest you for owning a legitimate VHS copy of the movie. And just cover all bases and refute Pete's sarcastic quips, there were proper safeguards in place: the film's director Franco Zeffirelli had to obtain permission to film Ms. Hussey in the nude for that scene and the actress was not legally allowed to attend the London premier of the movie, due to the full frontal scene of her in the movie and her being under 18 at the time of the premier ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063518/trivia ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 the actress was not legally allowed to attend the London premier of the movie, due to the full frontal scene of her in the movie and her being under 18 at the time of the premier Well that's good to know. I mean - if the poor girl were to SEE the movie where she was shown naked...her mind would be perverted and she'd jump to her death from a second story window. Oops... I think that was another sarcastic quip. But I'll just also add the most obvious movie to this batch - not n Oscar winner - but a legal movie: Lolita. I don't know about the original, but the one with Jeremy Irons has a 15 year old girl in sex scenes with him. R-Rated sex scenes, to be sure. THEN AGAIN... REMEMBER SCARFACE with Al Pacion was RATED X originally. Yet it has NO sex scenes whastoever except for the fairly innocent one in Many's appartment with two giggling naked blonds. Yet still it was rated X like a zillion times - for the swearing. Because they kept using swear words. So - there has been a lot of back and forth on the issue - but even ratings on movies are not legal rulings. They're just there to avoid problems and inform people what kind of content to expect. As for child porn in public high schools - well...movies are one thing...but in my high school, boys and girls were known to ...date! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 As for child porn in public high schools - well...movies are one thing...but in my high school, boys and girls were known to ...date! Pete Heh so true, in my high school we had mixed locker rooms and showers, makes the discussion on underaged nude in animation a bit silly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Sane Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) There was also, much more recently, American Beauty in terms of mainstream, award-winning films to feature underage nudity. Thora Birch was only 16 when she did the topless scene in it, though I guess it doesn't count if you lesson to certain people given that she probably looks a couple years older than she was. Edited December 13, 2009 by Aladdin Sane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Way OT people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) Lol I remember we had to watch this movie in 9th grade.... in class. I remember watching it in either an 8th or 9th grade english class and thinking to myself, "the fact that the guy's ass gets 10 times more screen time than her tits really ruins the whole scene." :edit: see, that's what's great about Shadow Chronicles. Tommy Yune understands what fans really want to see, more boobs. (see, it all comes back to RT after all ) Edited December 13, 2009 by anime52k8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanzerfan Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) In the words of Tony Montana (Al Pacino/Scarface movie): "You can send me here, there, anywhere. There is nothing you can do, that Castro has not done" Seriously though - I'll accept whatever verdict comes my way. I have tried to write withint the framework of the rules - gotten no warnings yet. I would hope someobody would warn me BEFORE they decide to ban me and give me some guidelines if I'm overstepping the boundaries that you guys have set up. But - ultimately - it's your call. Re:Graham's "if you don't want to listen to him, just don't talk to him" etc - that is of course an option. But since lots of ex-Robotech.com people landed in this thread after being banned over there, and have come to realize that even though this is a Macross dedicated sight populated with Macross fans, then they can STILL talk about Robotech in this thread and we Macross fans won't flame them or ban them - then that means this forum is cool. I just hoped to afford to Doug and Memo the same courteousy that they denied to Seto and other people - namely the courtesy of an open and rigorous debate instead of using moderating powers to just ban them - like they did towards other people. There's my brief Apologia. Pete I bet you're like Tony Montana in another way... You break neither your word nor your balls for no one!!! Well that's good to know. I mean - if the poor girl were to SEE the movie where she was shown naked...her mind would be perverted and she'd jump to her death from a second story window. Oops... I think that was another sarcastic quip. But I'll just also add the most obvious movie to this batch - not n Oscar winner - but a legal movie: Lolita. I don't know about the original, but the one with Jeremy Irons has a 15 year old girl in sex scenes with him. R-Rated sex scenes, to be sure. THEN AGAIN... REMEMBER SCARFACE with Al Pacion was RATED X originally. Yet it has NO sex scenes whastoever except for the fairly innocent one in Many's appartment with two giggling naked blonds. Yet still it was rated X like a zillion times - for the swearing. Because they kept using swear words. So - there has been a lot of back and forth on the issue - but even ratings on movies are not legal rulings. They're just there to avoid problems and inform people what kind of content to expect. As for child porn in public high schools - well...movies are one thing...but in my high school, boys and girls were known to ...date! Pete Actually another reason why Scarface got an X rating was for the over the top violence (I'm talking about the infamous chainsaw scene). Edited December 13, 2009 by Wanzerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 All right, let us put this to rest: the multiple award-winning (including two Oscars) 1968 movie Romeo and Juliet, featured a nude 15-year-old actress Olivia Hussey with her also nude 17-year-old co-star Leonard Whiting in a scene depicting the morning after a roll in the hay (in Juliet's bed) between Juliet Capulet and Romeo Montague. This scene had real persons, under age 18, in the nude, and, while the scene did produce some ratings controversies, this classic film is not considered child pornography. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063518/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_Juliet_(1968_film) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Hussey http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet-VHS-Leo.../dp/6300216039/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 If bendo wants to scream bloody murder about child pornography then his next logical target should be The Blue Lagoon. Oh..... wait someone already did. So, if you were a Robotech episode, which episode would you be? And why? Episode 6 Blitzkrieg B/c that s when the Daedelaus Maneuver was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 So, if you were a Robotech episode, which episode would you be? And why? If I was a Robotech episode, I would be all of them because I am a total FAKE!!! Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I would be Shadow Chronicles, because only a full length feature film can capture the awesomeness of Ghost Train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 So, if you were a Robotech episode, which episode would you be? And why? I would be the Untold Story movie, because I make Robotech fans RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.D. Ivanov Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Me too. You know what this means? CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is being shown in our public schools! Oh my god, I saw it in 9th grade too... The public schools are full of child pornography-loving perverts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanzerfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) I think it would be classified as pornography if the genitals were exposed to the camera lens. There was a big bruhaahaa about that concerning one scene of "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that depicted full fronal nudity of a male cast member. Edited December 14, 2009 by Wanzerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I think it would be classified as pornography if the genitals were exposed to the camera lens. There was a big bruhaahaa about that concerning one scene of "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" concerning full fronal nudity of a male case member. Y'know, it's generally a good idea to understand what the people posting are talking about BEFORE you post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanzerfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I was responding to lolicon's quoted remark, and didn't feel like going through the motions of quoting the post in question. Back on topic: before the lockhammer comes crashing down on all our heads. I believe that Harmony Gold's license is worth about as that as the Quilted Northern I use in the bathroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I just hoped to afford to Doug and Memo the same courteousy that they denied to Seto and other people - namely the courtesy of an open and rigorous debate instead of using moderating powers to just ban them - like they did towards other people. There's my brief Apologia. Pete I don't know who Bendo or Memo are but I do know we will not let MW, even the RT/HG thread turn into the RT: Warzone(pre-rules). Debate all you want about RT/HG/Macross and how they interrelate to each other but the moment multiple members start "reporting" posts and when 50% readers are the moderating/admin staff that should start sounding warning bells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I was responding to lolicon's quoted remark, and didn't feel like going through the motions of quoting the post in question. And if you had actually READ the topic, you would've known that everyone was being sarcastic, presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastaEgg Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why do these Robotech fans attack us in such small skirmishes? Why don't they all attack us at once? We could have a final battle right here and now. The glorious (and hopefully last) 4th Robotech war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanzerfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) And if you had actually READ the topic, you would've known that everyone was being sarcastic, presumably.Sometimes it's hard to read sarcasm, especially if it's vague (I should know, I've done it more times than I can count). Why do these Robotech fans attack us in such small skirmishes? Why don't they all attack us at once? We could have a final battle right here and now. The glorious (and hopefully last) 4th Robotech war!Because they're all (excuse my French here, guys) pussies!!! Edited December 14, 2009 by Wanzerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Sometimes it's hard to read sarcasm, especially if it's vague (I should know, I've done it more times than I can count). *sigh* Start here: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=813185 and read through. I assure you, the sarcasm is not vague. EDIT: By the way, since you're here...did you dig up any info about the 1984 "test run" in Houston of Robotech, or are you still expecting other people to do your research for you? Edited December 14, 2009 by Gubaba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Oh my god, I saw it in 9th grade too... The public schools are full of child pornography-loving perverts! Yeah, I remember seeing that movie in high school too... of course I went to private school and had a Latin teacher who decided to slack off during homecoming week and show Austin Powers movies in class instead of teaching. I believe that Harmony Gold's license is worth about as that as the Quilted Northern I use in the bathroom. Unfortunately, the license under which Harmony Gold obtained the rest-of-world distribution and merchandising rights for Macross is perfectly valid, though their usage of it is nothing short of an ethically-questionable embarrassment. Why do these Robotech fans attack us in such small skirmishes? Why don't they all attack us at once? We could have a final battle right here and now. The glorious (and hopefully last) 4th Robotech war! Because they have neither the numbers nor the organization to pull something like that off. They're far too busy with their witch hunts for "Macross Purists", persecuting each other for having different opinions, and indulging in elaborate delusions about how Robotech is wildly popular and Macross is a hopelessly obscure title nobody cares about. Also, it'd have to be the 5th Robotech Bore War, they already have a fourth one. Edited December 14, 2009 by Seto Kaiba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanzerfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 *sigh* Start here: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=813185 and read through. I assure you, the sarcasm is not vague. EDIT: By the way, since you're here...did you dig up any info about the 1984 "test run" in Houston of Robotech, or are you still expecting other people to do your research for you? I know. I was just being snarky and sarcastic with my last post is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I know. I was just being snarky and sarcastic with my last post is all. Ah, very clever...talking about vague sarcasm while being vaguely sarcastic. Very clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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