Gin Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Well actually, Grace herself may be being manipulated by the Galaxy executive even as we speak... she's crazy, right? She might be too focused on her final goal to realize that her bosses are preparing to stab her in the back. I'm sorta rooting for Grace, if it comes to that. So that really would just leave Quarter, then. You never know, they could be being manipulated by their old boss from behind the scenes. Like when he gave them that call to tell about their assimilation into the NUNS. He's obviously manipulating Alto even now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Well actually, Grace herself may be being manipulated by the Galaxy executive even as we speak... she's crazy, right? She might be too focused on her final goal to realize that her bosses are preparing to stab her in the back. I'm sorta rooting for Grace, if it comes to that. So that really would just leave Quarter, then. The possibility exists, just as it exists that she is manipulating Galaxy. Though the former is more likely. And I suppose you could possibly add Bilra to the list as well. Wonder who it is he wants to meet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 The "Ex" in Ex-Gear stands for "extender" though FV Yes? Was the EX on the VF-171EX said to be for something else? If not I stand with my previous statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) Top of the right page: Ranka sitting on missile Top left: is that another nose art? Also, it reminds me - we haven't seen the Monster in Battroid mode I think the top right one is a lineart of the Monster Girl nose art, or very similar to it. The other two look like Nanase's costume sketch for Ranka (Alice in Wonderland related theme oddly enough lol.. one more reference to the whole "through the looking glass" bit in the opening), and the Monster Battroid Ranka doodle that was seen on a missile during the last episode. And yeah, I don't think there's any way that page says "R.I.P." .. Aside from the missing period issue, I think that's supposed to be Sheryl's signature above the pic (although I'm not sure it looks quite like the one she wrote earlier on the eyecatch). What that looks more like is concept art for her costume, similar to the Ranka one. She's wearing the "Don't Be Late" outfit, you can see the hat and suspenders (though the top itself isn't quite visible.. makes me wonder if this is early concept art, before they changed it for a wider audience ) and the pants are cut the same way. We never actually did see how the change from the military jacket to the suspender-shirt went during the series. Even though it was holographic, she may have literally ripped off the outer layer at some point. Also, unless they're planning on ignoring it completely, yes, Alto just pulled off the greatest performance of his life, or he just started what will be. With all the attention they keep giving his brother (and how annoying he has been the whole time) I can't see them not finally bringing some closure to Alto's trying to reconcile his career issues (if they do, I'm gonna be upset they wasted all that time discussing his acting/flying choice). As thickheaded as he is, and as corny as it might get, I wouldn't be surprised by some great moment of inspiration where he has to reconcile his flying and acting skills in order to save the day (finally finding out why he flies, and how to be himself instead of acting all the time ) He saw that brief flash of Ranka "crucified", and you know his (personal) mission was to get in there and save her. This is much easier to do if Brera and Grace think he's dead. My guess is he wasn't even in the cockpit. I didn't think of this till just now, but what you said makes me wonder who "Northern Cross" is about. I know it's sung by Sheryl, and I doubt its really more than a coincidence, but the "Crucified by destiny" line in the song could fit either one of them at this point. Edited September 19, 2008 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Top of the right page: Ranka sitting on missile Top left: is that another nose art? Also, it reminds me - we haven't seen the Monster in Battroid mode The picture of Sheryl in concert just below Ranka's signature - its beautiful! IIRC this was not in the anime right? Anyone has a bigger pic? I think you guys are forgetting the most important part when analyzing the album scene... Is that a final production 1/60 Bandai VF-25F? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I think you guys are forgetting the most important part when analyzing the album scene... Is that a final production 1/60 Bandai VF-25F? Think its the 1/72 that was released recently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Think its the 1/72 that was released recently... At least it is not the Lego prototype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeBot Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 And I suppose you could possibly add Bilra to the list as well. Wonder who it is he wants to meet... You know... it just occurred to me that we keep thinking of the Vajra in the plural. But really, there is only one Vajra (a she, maybe?). Maybe that's who Bilra wants to meet: Ms. Vajra. Because she's just so magnificent. If you think of the Vajra in the singular, the defense of what seems to be their homeworld takes on a whole new dimension, too. If you take out the queen, the Vajra effectively cease to exist (since they apparently have this central node holding it all together), just like a bullet to the brain would do a human individual. If you were the only one of your kind, I think you'd fight even harder to survive, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Yes? Was the EX on the VF-171EX said to be for something else? It wasn't said what it stands for, therefore the odds of all English words that starts with EX against the one word you have chosen mean that I have likely won this discussion Personally, I think the EX on the VF-171EX means "custom model" FV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 You know... it just occurred to me that we keep thinking of the Vajra in the plural. But really, there is only one Vajra (a she, maybe?). Maybe that's who Bilra wants to meet: Ms. Vajra. Because she's just so magnificent. If you think of the Vajra in the singular, the defense of what seems to be their homeworld takes on a whole new dimension, too. If you take out the queen, the Vajra effectively cease to exist (since they apparently have this central node holding it all together), just like a bullet to the brain would do a human individual. If you were the only one of your kind, I think you'd fight even harder to survive, too. Perhaps. But I haven't completely bought that the Vajra are completely without any form of sentience without the queen. Young Ai-kun comes to mind. Anyway, we'll find out who Bilra's date is soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnuskn Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 @Magnuskn I felt you were wrong in perceiving racism from the cyborgs. And you are It's just good old world domination, in galactic scale Yeah, seems like it. Still, a possible second season could well lead into that racism thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 It wasn't said what it stands for, therefore the odds of all English words that starts with EX against the one word you have chosen mean that I have likely won this discussion Personally, I think the EX on the VF-171EX means "custom model" FV I'll admit defeat once it's proven I'm wrong. I believe the EX is the same as in EXtender Gear, because the machine has been upgraded and made compatible with said gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I'll admit defeat once it's proven I'm wrong. I believe the EX is the same as in EXtender Gear, because the machine has been upgraded and made compatible with said gear. Ride Armor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Ride Armor Sadly the joke is lost on me Wut's Ride Armor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Sadly the joke is lost on me Wut's Ride Armor? Duke's non-technical term for Ex-Gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) Perhaps. But I haven't completely bought that the Vajra are completely without any form of sentience without the queen. They do have sentience, the queen just make them more intelligent. If each Vajra adds a bit of intelligence, the queen adds proportionally more. FV Edited September 19, 2008 by Final Vegeta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Duke's non-technical term for Ex-Gear Ride Armor Ex Gear is Kawamori's version of Ride Armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akt_m Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) kawamori said that he got the idea of Exo-gear from HAL. Edited September 19, 2008 by akt_m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Lame ^. Ride armor is so much better... and it's pretty much the same thing except it transforms and kicks @$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Lame ^. Ride armor is so much better... and it's pretty much the same thing except it transforms and kicks @$$. But isn't real, so down modded for fictional delusions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinkirou Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 haha just watched episode 24 XD haha loser me - very busy from work schedule HELL YEAHH!!!! THIS EPISODE TOTALLY ROCKS!!!! You know what, they should make it that SMS quarter will come and save the day, Capt Wilder taking command of Battle Frontier (Commodore(?) Perry(?) is ok as well to command the BF though XD) and Leon is imprisoned or shot to death through mutiny (although he is very much a villain and a 2nd rate at that since he is a pawn of a greater villain). But case in point, his strategy regarding the gamble with island-1 is very good as well XD I don't want the people of the Frontier to die... T_T I hope that we may see a planet colonization sequence XD and very good tactic there by Alto. Yes, SK and company have a very good reason and plausible explanation how Alto may be alive as there was the scene where his vf-171ex went behind a wrecked ship while being covered by Klan (the vf-171ex is highly in autopilot when it got shot down). Unlike in CG where we really see the nuke's (FLEIA) lights enveloping the characters and still manage to be alive and kicking again by episode 23 <--- you know what I mean haha. the explanation of there was a decoy ship was really not plausible. poor Taniguchi manipulated by Sunrise and Bandai T_T I hope SK will not succumb to their influences haha and keep on making stories these great! XD and to those berating Sheryl for screaming out Alto's name with tears when she saw the footage of his valkyrie blown to pieces, that was all for drama effect and nice closure to the episode. and give the girl a break! she saw her beloved's ride blown to pieces! isn't she entitled to scream in horror and agony for what she witnessed? At least she didn't fell down and then became some sort of human-vegetable drowned in helplessness after seeing that scene! XD peace out <--- long post haha I just can't contain all these emotions of greatness and double thumbs up on this episode! XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 I think you guys are forgetting the most important part when analyzing the album scene... Is that a final production 1/60 Bandai VF-25F? its the injection model 1/72. u can tell by the ugliness of the front landing gear. yucks.. It wasn't said what it stands for, therefore the odds of all English words that starts with EX against the one word you have chosen mean that I have likely won this discussion Personally, I think the EX on the VF-171EX means "custom model" FV EX means EXpensive version of VF-171... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 EX means EXpensive version of VF-171... Alto has a special version: EX-VF171EX (hahaha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Awesomest episode ever!!! Oh wait, i already said that. Just some other things i noticed (before subs come along) - giant ranka was already shown far back as the first broadcast episode with the triangler OP. and with the flying valk between her arms to boot. heck, i thought it was meant to be symbolic. how could i have expected it to really happen exactly that way? - it was a nice touch that klan took michael's glasses as a necklace. anyone else think her boobs were just too big this time? she seemed to be channeling Nanase (or as gubaba would say it, poornana) - i love that the Quarter and the SMS, ahem, pirate crew didn't show up this episode. it only means that they'll kick ass come the finale, and that the quarter is the real macross "super mech" for this series. i wonder if bilra is really on leon's side, or if he has an agenda (meaning that he supports Wilder's actions all along) - leon looks evil ugly. he looks like a claymore that's about to turn. creepy. - sheryl is fantastic in this episode. perfect blend of strength and vulnerability. not that i understood more than 50% of what she said. but still. perfect blend. - ranka tied up evoked images of nia in Gurren Lagann. but when she started singin, it was a mix of giant rei, and the minmay attack in Macross II. - sheryl's scream still stays in my mind. man to see alto crash and burn like that. and the way she paused before hoping that it wasn't a fatal shot. wow. subs, oh how i long for you now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akilae Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Am I the only person that thinks the RIP just might be bomb nose art? After all, you have a nose art design just above it on the same page... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 (edited) Am I the only person that thinks the RIP just might be bomb nose art? After all, you have a nose art design just above it on the same page... Very possible. Hell, taking another look at it, I would say its perhaps very likely. Edited September 20, 2008 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Something just occured to me though. Bodolzaa said that if they come into contact with the Protoculture they would be destroyed. Ranka in last episode sung like a sophisticated form of Minmay Attack with the Vajra. Is this what Bodolzaa meant? We know that the current humans are different enough from the Protoculture. For example even if the faction that had Anima Spiritia did not convert the Protodevlin like Basara did. Merely sealing them on Varuta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Something just occured to me though. Bodolzaa said that if they come into contact with the Protoculture they would be destroyed. Ranka in last episode sung like a sophisticated form of Minmay Attack with the Vajra. Is this what Bodolzaa meant? Ranka's singing nullified any effect Sheryl had on the Vajra. I guess its possible it also boosted their fighting effectiveness, a la MII emulators. That's all I got out of that scene. What Boldozaa is referring to is an exposure to culture (the Protoculture's, in that instance), I'm sure, and the disorder it would cause amongst their ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panpo98 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 (edited) Do any of you think that we will see a clear view of Battle (25) Frontier do a full transformation? In [Zero-Raws] Macross FRONTIER 24, Time 17.21. There you can see Ranka watching as Battle (25) Frontier in background is starting to transform. This is just before Brera appears behind Ranka and starts talking to her. I would rely want to see more than that. Edited September 20, 2008 by panpo98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeros Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 The transformation of battle 25 begins at 15:25 (same raw) just before Sheryls starts to Sing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 The transformation of battle 25 begins at 15:25 (same raw) just before Sheryls starts to Sing I wonder if Battle Frontier manage to finish its transformation before epi.25 ending credits start rolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Lucca is a douchebag for stealing a kiss from a girl in a coma. At least he didn't pull a shinji on the other hand... May that have raised his death flag to its highest point, so that the reaper can take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 (edited) - it was a nice touch that klan took michael's glasses as a necklace. anyone else think her boobs were just too big this time? she seemed to be channeling Nanase (or as gubaba would say it, poornana) - i love that the Quarter and the SMS, ahem, pirate crew didn't show up this episode. it only means that they'll kick ass come the finale, and that the quarter is the real macross "super mech" for this series. i wonder if bilra is really on leon's side, or if he has an agenda (meaning that he supports Wilder's actions all along) - leon looks evil ugly. he looks like a claymore that's about to turn. creepy. Macron KK's boobs were always that humongous. seems like Bilrer is looking at a photo that's hidden under his fold quartz ring. I bet its the person he wants to meet. And Bilrer mentioned that the fold network transcends time, so is that a hint that the person he wants to meet is from the past or a very old friend... Mao perhaps? Bilrer's too old for Ranshe right? So is he the reason why Ranka is 1/4 Zent? I've always suspected that Mao and/or Ranshe are inside the vajra network... haha just guessing at everything... ahhh... wat a lovely pair Am I the only person that thinks the RIP just might be bomb nose art? After all, you have a nose art design just above it on the same page... True... Could be nose art. looks to me its more like a rough sketch for one of Sheryl's concert outfit. pre-production design? Do any of you think that we will see a clear view of Battle (25) Frontier do a full transformation? In [Zero-Raws] Macross FRONTIER 24, Time 17.21. There you can see Ranka watching as Battle (25) Frontier in background is starting to transform. This is just before Brera appears behind Ranka and starts talking to her. I would rely want to see more than that. Actually, u can see the Battle Frontier start to transform at about 15:26 after the valks and Q-Rea took off. Guess Leon was having a fun time pressing that transform button Quite surprised that the Dulfim is hollow in the middle. Edited September 20, 2008 by Shun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Klan's chest has ALWAYS been that big. Just look at every pic of her in the flightsuit. They just happened to show some cleavage this time, which I thought was absolutely lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Ranka's brother & his VF-27 need to get blown the hell up!! Don't care if he is under mind control or not, He needs to go down. Ozma or Alto, either one....waste this SOB!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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