Macross Mecha Manual

[Mr March]

Thanks for the pictures fellas. Nice screen shots or all the pretties

Maybe this has been discussed elsewhere, but doesn't one of the vessels located at the rear of the Macross 11 fleet look like a Three-Star class ship?

I believe you're right. Not only that, but we can see a Uraga and what appears to be almost a direct after view of a Stealth Frigate.

[DarkReaper]

Also wondering what those the blue spires are...

Could be the cooling fins for the three-star island. The one in M7 trailed one long ribbon.

[RedWolf]

Oh March the known crew of Macross 11 are Lynn Kaifun, the manager, and Fire Bomber American.

Fire Bomber American

* Kcool V Realy: Keyboards

* Rak Nabekasi: Guitar, vocals

* June Ley Mines: Bass, vocals

* Five Fads: Drums

Macross 11 is an all English language speaking fleet.

Edited September 27, 2008 by RedWolf

[Mr March]

Added a bunch of animated gifs and custom color schemes from whispo and Talos to the For Fans Only section.

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/forfansonly/fo...only-index.html

Enjoy

[hobbes221]

Nice update March, lovin' the gifs! And thanks for all the work in general, your site is great.

[RedWolf]

March since you already have picture of Macross 1 why not add it in the NMC article in Macross 7 section.

Or have an exclusive article for Macross 1.

Edited September 29, 2008 by RedWolf

[Mr March]

Thank you hobbes221.

RedWolf

I have a screen shot of of the Macross 1, but that's it. It wouldn't be much of a profile and I really prefer to have line art. I've done screen shot profiles for Macross Frontier mostly as place holders for that section and to keep up to date. BUt they are slowly being replaced with line art (or CGI model shots, as it were) and I prefer that.

[Sulendil Ang]

Hey, March, I really like the Animated Diagrams of the For Fans Only section. It helps me clear a lot of confusion about the position of various armaments. Since you did a nice picture already for SDF-01's beam cannon in Newbie Thread, is it too much for me to ask for at least an animated version of that ship's line art?

Of course, I do have a big wish list for Macross Mecha Manual, but I don't want to really bother you on this.

[d3v]

Speaking of NMCs, will you be updating the M3 pages for the Galaxy, Frontier and 11 anytime soon Mr. March?

[Mr March]

Sulendil Ang

Definitely too much to ask

Yes, I can make an animated gif for that. I'll add the rail guns and anti-ship missile turrets too.

So what is your wish list? I'm curious

d3v

Probably only the descriptions. Now that the series is over, I can make up a good written description for each. Can probably do the same for the Vajra as well.

The pictures and statistics are likely to remain unchanged until the Macross Chronicle gets around to covering those particular vehicles. I'll add a screen capture or two, but that's about the best I can do for now.

Edited October 2, 2008 by Mr March

[Sulendil Ang]

Dear Mr March:

Well, it wasn't really a long list, but my wish list did include a lot of hard work from your part. But since you want to know, so here it is: My Macross Mecha Manual wish list!

1. MOAR animated diagrams!!!

I love those diagrams, so I wish that you could do the same to EVERY Valks: from SV-51 to the recent VF-25. And there's ships like Macross and ARMD...

2. Mechanical colour code for transformation

Do you still remember this picture from the VF-25S profile? I kinda like the idea behind it, so why don't we try to do the same with other variable fighters? After all, I do saw occasional questions about which part of fighter mode go to which part of Battroid mode, something that is not easy to explain using words. Let's start with the simpler one like Macross, and then we move up to more complex transformation like YF-19 and YF-21. I'm sure the fans would be glad to see those.

3. MOAR Macross Zero profiles!!!

Yeah, I know that we are severely limited by the lack of good line arts, but I would like to see the day when the Macross Zero section is completed. Macross Chronicles, you are my only hope...

4. MOAR G&A profiles!!!

Just like above, I wish to see more profiles in that section. More importantly, I want my VF-5000 Super Pack!!! I think Macross Chronicles has a nice picture of it, so why don't you upload it for this VF-5000 fan?

5. MOAR line arts!!!

Speaking of line arts, I wish Macross Mecha Manual will feature more improved line arts. Case in point: http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossdyrl/ma...yrl-cruiser.gif. I like that! Hope to see more in the future!

6. Add 'For Fans Only' button on the navigation bar

Because it would help me to navigate your site more easily.

7. MOAR Comparison line art!!!

Speaking of the For Fans Only section, I would love to see more of those comparison line art, starting for that line art that compares the height of Macross, Macross 25 and Macross Frontier.

That's... That's all, I think. Can you grant my (wet) dreams? I have been a good boy for a whole year, you know.

Your truly,

Sulendil Ang

Edited October 3, 2008 by Sulendil Ang

[Mr March]

Sulendil Ang

"Moar?" LOL Well, let's see...

1. I can do more of these, but they are labor intensive. I'll do an SDF-1 Macross and YF-19, but I'm not sure the other craft/fighters really require an animated gif. The four animated gifs I did create were done to highlight details that aren't that obvious or understood properly (like the VF-1's vernier thrusters, the VF-4's missiles, the VF-17's many guns/thrusters/ports, the YF-21's micro-missile ports and rear guns). I agree the SDF-1 makes a good candidate given the bewildering array of turrets, but the ARMD is straight forward I think (two on the top, three on the bottom). In the case of the SV-51, there's the gun pod rack, two 12.7mm mini-guns and that's it. Not really much to do there. I'd need actual black and white line art to do the VF-25.

2. That was Kelsain who did that color coded transformation for the VF-25. It would probably be best to ask him to do more, but I could do a few. Doing these should be relatively simple and so it's more likely I'll have time to do them.

3. Totally dependent upon the Macross Chronicle for this stuff. They are the only source that's likely to print the artwork, since no one else has (except a plethora of Japanese magazines long since out of print).

4. The Macross Game & Advanced Valkyrie section is pretty much complete. Any more will have to come from the Macross Chronicle, since the line art for everything else is so rare.

5. I'm reaching a point where I'm almost completely happy with the coloring on the M3, so this isn't likely to change much. The VF-1 Valkyries were all greatly improved as was coloring for the SDF-1, YF-19 and VF-0 Reactive Armor, VF-11 Protect Armor and Queadluun-Rau (DYRL). The Megaroad, New Macross Class, Riviera and several Varauta ships were also revised. Unless I spot an error or just get in the mood to redo something, I think the coloring on the M3 is set.

6. Hmm, I suppose, but not sure it's all that necessary. The navigation bar is basically just to jump between the series sections and the Macropedia to assist in quick reference. The For Fans Only section is sort of separate and I'd like it to remain that way so as to maintain a clear distinction between the official and the fan made stuff.

7. Yes, this is a good idea. I'll place my guesstimate picture in that section and I'll get some more size comparison diagrams up. Talos and meninge had a good idea with the Valkyrie fighter mode size charts and I should probably get to work on one for my site. But I'm lacking side schematics for stuff like the VF-0, SV-51 and VF-19 Excalibur from the model kits (or fan made ones, wherever they came from). Naturally, I'd want high resolution everything. This is the M3 after all

About your wet dreams, I can't help you out there. But I will promise to give you a good spanking should we ever meet

[Sulendil Ang]

About your wet dreams, I can't help you out there. But I will promise to give you a good spanking should we ever meet

Nay, I'm talking about the my Macross Mecha Manual dream, not that kind of dream. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't meet me anytime soon, given of where we actually live.

Edited October 3, 2008 by Sulendil Ang

[Talos]

7. Yes, this is a good idea. I'll place my guesstimate picture in that section and I'll get some more size comparison diagrams up. Talos and meninge had a good idea with the Valkyrie fighter mode size charts and I should probably get to work on one for my site. But I'm lacking side schematics for stuff like the VF-0, SV-51 and VF-19 Excalibur from the model kits (or fan made ones, wherever they came from). Naturally, I'd want high resolution everything. This is the M3 after all

I actually am working on a side profile of the VF-19 based on a tiny and blurry model kit one I found. I'll upsize it to a much, much higher resolution though. If I ever get done with it.

I also have all the different VF-0 models, as well as them with gunpods, FAST packs, armaments, and Ghost boosters. I'll cobble together a VF-0C later based on the new Hasegawa model.

[Major Focker]

not really about mecha, so not sure if i'm posting in the right thread.

but one thing i'd like to see is a city/tourist map of Frontier showing where mihoshi is, the concert hall, nyan nyan resto, ozma's pad etc...

this is of course dependent on whether top down diagrams of Frontier city will ever be released, so it's a long shot. would be cool if they sold it as a poster, even better if isometric.

[hobbes221]

I'd like your input on something Mr March, so far the VF-25 is listed has having 2 hardpoints under each wing and a center line hardpoint for the cannon. But some pics of the models that I've seen would suggest that there are 4 hardpoints per wing and maybe two on the center line as we have seen that the cannon can still be mounted on the belly in gerwalk ever with the arms deployed. Also on the topic of hardpoints, what's up with the VF-1 being depicted as having three hardpoints per wing sometimes? Would just like to hear your thoughts on this if you get a minute. (just trying to get some background info for something) Thanks.

Here's a pic with what I'm talking about with the wings

[anime52k8]

I think the things that look like hard points on the wing gloves are part of how the fast pack boosters connect to the valk

and the 3 hard points are on the animation model. though the inner most is partially covered by the fast pack boosters

[Mr March]

I think it's best to say everything on the VF-25 is "up in the air" until I see something published in the Macross Chronicle. I tend to believe the current statistics on the Macross Compendium are correct, but there is always the chance they may change. AFAIK, there hasn't even been mention of underwing hardpoints as yet, but I had to mention them on the M3 because they are so obviously a part of the design based on cannon events from the Macross Frontier series. There are at least two per wing, shown in the episode where Mikhail mounted speaker pods on his wings and the episodes where the VF-25's mounted reaction missiles under the wings. I think that's about as accurate as we can be for now.

Regarding the VF-1, I assume you're referring to the times when the VF-1 Super Valkyries mount either three large reaction missiles per wing or two reaction missiles and a UUM-7 Micro Missile pod. As I understand it, two of the reaction missiles are using a single mount so they can be paired upon a single hard point. It's similar to the tri-mounts used to store the AMM-1 missiles in groups of three per hardpoint. So you can get two reaction missiles on one hardpoint and a single reaction missile on the other, only utilizing two hardpoints in total.

[hobbes221]

I think the things that look like hard points on the wing gloves are part of how the fast pack boosters connect to the valk

I agree with you on that but is there reason that it could not mount a pylon when not used for FAST packs (I'm thinking that the pylon from the F-14 would look sweet right there)

Regarding the VF-1, I assume you're referring to the times when the VF-1 Super Valkyries mount either three large reaction missiles per wing or two reaction missiles and a UUM-7 Micro Missile pod. As I understand it, two of the reaction missiles are using a single mount so they can be paired upon a single hard point. It's similar to the tri-mounts used to store the AMM-1 missiles in groups of three per hardpoint. So you can get two reaction missiles on one hardpoint and a single reaction missile on the other, only utilizing two hardpoints in total.

I have seen the twin mount for the reaction missiles, what I had seen were things like this, I was thinking that it was just a mod and not canon. Well whatever the story is I do appreciate the info from everyone, thanks

[Mr March]

Yeah, that looks like a magazine custom built by a fan. My Yamato 1/48 VF-1 features a twin mount for two reaction warheads in a single hardpoint. That's how they did it. If it helps, the official VF-1 statistics only list four hardpoints in total and the Valkyrie official schematics only show two hardpoints per wing.

[anime52k8]

I agree with you on that but is there reason that it could not mount a pylon when not used for FAST packs (I'm thinking that the pylon from the F-14 would look sweet right there)

other than the fact that it's never shown to be capable of mounting a pylon in the show, no.

that would probably look cool, and it's you're model,

I have seen the twin mount for the reaction missiles, what I had seen were things like this, I was thinking that it was just a mod and not canon. Well whatever the story is I do appreciate the info from everyone, thanks

that one's a hasegawa non-transforming model. when Hase did the reaction missiles for the kit (and the extra weapon sets) they gave each missile it's own pylon. the hase kits, while awesome looking, aren't exactly anime accurate. the take a lot of liberty in terms of proportions and details.

[Graham]

I'd say 99.99% chance there are 3 hardpoints per wing. They are on the CG model in the anime and also on the Bandai kit. I'm not including the wing glove spike, I mean 3 actually on the wing.

Interestingly, the VF-171 also appears to have 3 hard points per wing.

I think the reason we only see two speakers or two reaction weapons mounter per wing on the VF-25, is beacuse they they are so big and three simply would not fit.

Graham

[d3v]

I think the reason we only see two speakers or two reaction weapons mounter per wing on the VF-25, is beacuse they they are so big and three simply would not fit.

Graham

Not to mention that three of those per wing is a bit overkill (the speakers I mean).

[grss1982]

Thanks for the pictures fellas. Nice screen shots or all the pretties

I believe you're right. Not only that, but we can see a Uraga and what appears to be almost a direct after view of a Stealth Frigate.

Is this an Uraga?

[Mr March]

The VF-171 Nightmare Plus definitely has three underwing hardpoints. The first episode clearly shows three mountings under each wing and none of them are shared mountings.

grss1982

That is indeed a Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier. Thee is also a green Guantanamo Class Stealth Carrier to the top left of the picture and a Stealth Frigate (Northampton Class?) underneath the carrier arm of the Macross Quarter (and another Uraga further behind that).

[d3v]

Just a heads up, one of the booklets from the Macross F Galaxy Tour Final concert in Yokohama has some lineart including that of the Dulfim as well as the VF-25's Super Pack as worn by Klan.

Edited October 14, 2008 by d3v

[RedWolf]

Ah yes Mecha-Musume without the loli.

Well technically she's a loli in miclone form but still.

[hobbes221]

Thanks to d3v for that lineart but now I have a question, are these Dulfim class ships as well that are shown in the last battle? I think it was talked about where or not there were other ships from the Galaxy fleet but I can't for the life of me remember where. If these are Galaxy's ship it does raise more questions on how many were working with or for Grace and Co. and other things along the lines.

[Mr March]

Yes, those are definitely Dulfim-style vessels.

This is why I suspect the Island/City Galaxy is still somewhere. Not only the Battle Galaxy, but the Dulfims of the Macross Galaxy fleet are still around. I think it's unlikely the fleet all survived but the Island/CIty Galaxy did not.

[DestroidDefender]

Yes, those are definitely Dulfim-style vessels.

This is why I suspect the Island/City Galaxy is still somewhere. Not only the Battle Galaxy, but the Dulfims of the Macross Galaxy fleet are still around. I think it's unlikely the fleet all survived but the Island/CIty Galaxy did not.

Wasn't it established that Galaxy Fleet's City ship was called Mainland? I guess that's just supposition but it seemed clear that Sheryl assumed that Galaxy was lost when "Mainland" allegedly went down to the Vajra.

[anime52k8]

Yes, those are definitely Dulfim-style vessels.

This is why I suspect the Island/City Galaxy is still somewhere. Not only the Battle Galaxy, but the Dulfims of the Macross Galaxy fleet are still around. I think it's unlikely the fleet all survived but the Island/CIty Galaxy did not.

it's likely the attack never really happened. the emergency transmission was probably faked.

[Mr March]

Oh, I missed that term. That's a good way to distinguish it.

I agree that the Vajra attack upon the Macross Galaxy appears to be a fake and/or staged.

[taksraven]

I agree that the Vajra attack upon the Macross Galaxy appears to be a fake and/or staged.

I think that some parts of the attack were staged but I think that some vessels were certainly targetted for destruction.

a) to make it plausible that Galaxy had been attacked and destroyed.

b) Maybe Grace could not gain control of all of the residents of the Galaxy fleet and they had to be eliminated.

I think that Grace had control of the Galaxy fleet using two methods.

1. Direct control of individuals using the same method as was used with Brera.

2. Some sort of mass hypnosis similar to what Sharon Apple used in the final episode of M+.

Was the Dulfim the ship that Grace used as her flagship to reach the Vajra core? It looked like that to me.

I love the fact that even though this series is *over* there is still a lot to speculate about it. (yes I know that there will be a movie that may tie up all the remaining loose ends.)

Taksraven

[d3v]

Was the Dulfim the ship that Grace used as her flagship to reach the Vajra core? It looked like that to me.

Same here, however, seeing as the Battle Galaxy was also there, it could just be another ship of the same class accompanying that NMC.

[Morpheus]

Dulfim is one sexy ship, I really want a Frontier Lineart book.

Looking at the Dulfim lineart from Tochiro's photos, it looks like it have two large cannon in the central body and possibly several landing strip on the side of the ship.