Graham Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Read this article. I can honestly say I don't own a single Star Trek DVD, VHS, toy, model or book. I wonder if Michael Jackson likes Star Trek? Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 It's kind of an odd coincidence. But what if further research shows that Toronto just happens to have more Trekkies per household than other cities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Man you just showed me how my childhood was such a waste! This just shows the Darkside will always be with me and protect me from lesser evils which will try to seduce me. SUCKERS!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 ROFLMAO!!! That's....ickkily hilarious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Scary... I guess he had his phaser set to tickle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 It's because most sci-fi fans are lonely pathetic men and most child molesters are lonely pathetic men, thats the real connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 pretty messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noriko Takaya Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Great, I'm a pedophile according to the Canadian police because I like Star Trek. What next? I'm into bestiality because I like anime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Great, I'm a pedophile according to the Canadian police because I like Star Trek. What next? I'm into bestiality because I like anime? if tentacles count as beastiality then yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 (edited) "and they are three times more likely to be left-handed. Almost 30 per cent of pedophiles are southpaws, versus eight to 12 per cent of the rest of the male population. The higher rate of left-handedness is important because it strongly suggests that pedophilia may have more to do with nature than nurture. Differences in intelligence could be explained by the simple notion that the smarter pedophiles are less likely to be caught. But a higher rate of left-handedness -- which develops in utero and has already been associated with a variety of neurological problems including Down's syndrome, epilepsy, autism and dyslexia -- hints that their brains may be structured differently" Crap, I'm obviously a pediphile cause I'm left handed Great, I'm a pedophile according to the Canadian police because I like Star Trek. What next? I'm into bestiality because I like anime? If cat girls count then yes Anyway, dayam, I collect both trek and SW and I'm left handed what does that say about me? Edited June 7, 2005 by GobotFool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Samurai Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Don't laugh. Given all the weird stuff in anime and the fact that half the females depicted in anime could pass to the average joe as twelve year old girls, it wouldn't suprise me if someone took up a crusade to pair being an anime fan with some depravity. The article is an interesting read, although, as someone already said, the author does seem to have a personal beef against sci-fi collectors. I find it interesting that they hypothesize that these guys collect toys in order to set an environment to snare children (much like you'd reconfigure your place to be a bit romantic when you're hoping to score with a woman). While I know having your collection on display is NOT the way to set a romantic mood for a woman (unless you've hit the jackpot and found a woman who digs toys/sci-fi), I never thought of my place as a child-snare. I just like to have physical 3-d representations of things I've enjoyed hanging around. As others have pointed out, I'd be curious to have a better survey done to find out how what percentage of the Toronto-based Star Trek fandom these pedophiles make up. If there's a Star Trek fan pedophile for every two Star Trek fans, then there might be something, but if it's one out of every couple hundred or thousand, then you just have a trait that's common. Someone already joked that sci-fi fans are lonely losers and pedophiles tend to be lonely losers...and I think that's the more common thread rather than the actual fandom. Like any other people, there's going to be the more 'normal' lonely losers and the depraved lonely losers. Now, everyone hide your collections! It's the Feds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 oh and on the subject of linking anime to pedophilia, ive got a few words: kite, puni puni poemi, onegai twins, to a lesser extent, mahromatic, and not directly the series, but the results of evangelion and sailor moon, its clearly stated that the eva pilots are 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 oh and on the subject of linking anime to pedophilia, ive got a few words:kite, puni puni poemi, onegai twins, to a lesser extent, mahromatic, and not directly the series, but the results of evangelion and sailor moon, its clearly stated that the eva pilots are 14 What's your point? They're not real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Great, I'm a pedophile according to the Canadian police because I like Star Trek. What next? I'm into bestiality because I like anime? Wait until they hit the Macross 7 connection. We shall miss Keith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bromgrev Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Read this article. What's that picture of John Paul II doing next to that article? Freudian slip ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 (edited) If you read the article it mentions star wars as well. You are all sweating now aren't you? All those adult collectors of stuff from sci-fi shows are going to be suspects because teh pedoz use toys to attract kiddiez. Send in the 'used schoolgirl panties' snifferdogs squad! Edited June 7, 2005 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bromgrev Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 ... 'used schoolgirl panties' snifferdogs ... Nah, that's who they're trying to catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I wonder if Michael Jackson likes Star Trek? Graham No his best movie is E.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Well this article doesn't seem to apply to the U.S. Trekkie (collector or whathaveyou) as these studies are based on crime scenes in Canada. In the U.S. we mostly have artists. For Example: MJ, Nelly, Roman Polanski, Woody Allen (very borderline)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Correlation is not causation. In summer the amount of ice cream eaten increases and the number of drownings increase. Eating ice cream does not cause drowning (unless you cramp up after wolfing down a whole carton like a fat pig). It's the heat that causes more people to swim, and increases the amount of people that drown. Besides like some of you are saying, they can't generalize these correlational factors to other populations. Europe isn't that squeamish about nudity, where as in the US (depending on the location) it's considered pornography to see some boobies or exposed skin (uptight puratinism). I guess I'm in trouble if I go to Canada. I grew up watching Star Trek and Star Wars. And I collect lots of toys. And it sure as hell isn't to lure kids over! I hate people touching my stuff!!! It's MINE!!! My own... My preciouses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 In Futurama Star Trek did develop into an actual Church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 As a Canadian, I see this as having less to do with Trek in general, but more of an indictment of Toronto as a whole. Bluntly put, Toronto sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 The depiction of underage female sexuality in Japan has to do with the ban on depicting adult body hair in Manga and Anime. You guys should really read up on what you are fans of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Perhaps, but it seems some Japanese really do like them a little underage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bromgrev Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Perhaps, but it seems some Japanese really do like them a little underage. Nope, 17 isn't underage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 (edited) What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual? It all depends on the country and culture. US = under 18 = pedophilia Japan= under 13 = pedophilia (I read that the laws are a bit weird in Japan. Like it's okay if you're under 17 to have sex with anyone under 17 but older than 13. But adults can't have sex with anyone under than 17). I can totally see where the Trekdom and pedophilia is linked. It's the uniforms. Wait Canada isn't Japan. edit: I meant for US, that generally people tend to consider under 18 to be pedophilia. So if you see a 17 year old girl's boobs, then you're all evil and ewwy. But it's nice to know that it's state by state for age of consent. Edited June 7, 2005 by Sumdumgai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 The depiction of underage female sexuality in Japan has to do with the ban on depicting adult body hair in Manga and Anime. You guys should really read up on what you are fans of. That ban was lifted years ago. There may still be some residual effects from it, but I don't think anyone can continue to point to it as the source for lolicon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Great, I'm a pedophile according to the Canadian police because I like Star Trek. What next? I'm into bestiality because I like anime? if tentacles count as beastiality then yes Tentacles are good.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF18 Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 The depiction of underage female sexuality in Japan has to do with the ban on depicting adult body hair in Manga and Anime. You guys should really read up on what you are fans of. That ban was lifted years ago. There may still be some residual effects from it, but I don't think anyone can continue to point to it as the source for lolicon. Wow you are both bull-shitting really hard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghadrack Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Arbitrary ages set by international laws is a different debate altogether. There is a right and a wrong, society needs rules by which to judge behavior our countries each have set defined perameters by which they believe they can best protect the youth populace, I don't have a problem with that, it of course gets a little grey when you have an 18 year old in american with a 16 or 17 year old partner, but the gola is ultimately to have boundaries to protect kids that is fine in my book. The premise of the article here is faulty. The fact, and this is well known that these criminals are almost exclusively opportunists. Why are there so many stories of Teachers, and Priests and Boy Scout leaders as predators of children? Because they go to where the kids are, they seek occupations and situations where they can have unmonitored, seclusion with children. Having a collection of toys or science fiction goods a sexual predator does not make, but it may be a characteristic that many of them share, indeed, when they talk about grooming or baiting techniques it is a little frightening to think that you may be profiled due to your collection. If however, there was opportunity to be had through the collection of these things to obtaining unmonitored access to children through the collection of these things then there might be some concern. I would think that the correlation would begin and end right there, I think it is unlikely that pedophiles have a greater disposition to science fiction or nostalgia collection that the normal populace, or that they average person should worry if they know somone that collects or is "In to" sci-fi or fantasy stuff. I would also suspect that you would find that there are probably a significant percentage of these people that collect Baseball cards, or refrigerator magnets, or nothing at all. I suspect that the mysterious link that the author is looing for that he or she can't put the finger on is a vivid imagination. If there is anything that most Sci-Fi, Fantasy type people have in common is that their imagination is a little more active than most people wandering around in zombie mode thinking about their car and their job and their kids. Unfortunately or the criminologists, Sci-Fi geeks hardly have a lock on the vivid imagination, and it isn't much of a factor that could be easily used to pinpoint a criminal. Anyhow, that author did a serious dis-service to the fans of two of the most loved science fiction tales in human history. It is unfortunate to think that due to the shortsightedness of a few, many may be put on watch lists and monitored by big brother. Sucks that the sickos who cause all of the panic even exists, what a wierd world we live in. It would be neat to be part of the alien anthropology program that studies the remnants of our race when we are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I think all Macross7 fans should be rounded up... They are ALL pedophiles. This thread proves it: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=12534 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual? It all depends on the country and culture.US = under 18 = pedophilia Actually, its on a state-by-state basis. Age of consent varies from 14 to 18 in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I think all Macross7 fans should be rounded up... They are ALL pedophiles. This thread proves it:http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=12534 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual? It all depends on the country and culture.US = under 18 = pedophilia Actually, its on a state-by-state basis. Age of consent varies from 14 to 18 in the US. keeping my daughter away from you for knowing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual? It all depends on the country and culture.US = under 18 = pedophilia Actually, its on a state-by-state basis. Age of consent varies from 14 to 18 in the US. keeping my daughter away from you for knowing that LOL, I draw the line at 25. Chicks younger than that are generally as dumb as a bag of hammers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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