kalvasflam Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I could care less about the production time so much as the budget - I don't want to hear shortages being the problem of the series. 379092[/snapback] You should listen to the podcasts.....I think Moore has cited the budget once every other episode. Just last week, (as noted previously), they were planning on using the Cylon Heavy Raider for the jumping sequence but they didn't have money to build a set for it. He even responded to a question about the Marines equipment they use on his blog. Why do the Marines use the same equipment each time we see them? Because of the budget. They can't afford to rent or buy new equipment so they reuse stuff every time. Why not more shots of the Centurions? Can't afford it. They try to fit in more shots but I don't think they have the money for it. I'm sure there would be more shots of various ships...if they could afford it. 379098[/snapback] It's sad that BSG is so limited on budget. Reminds me of how Babylon 5 had to fight for funding, one reason why I thought season 5 truly sucked was that they had to wait until the last minute for TNT to jump in. And of course TNT killed the show. You would think that NBC has learned the lesson about sci fi by now given the examples like star trek, the old BSG, and even watching through the struggles that B5 went thru. It's truly sad. The new BSG had a good storyline, and definitely worthy of more attention, but I bet if the makers of the original mindless sitcoms had anything to say about it, BSG will eventually get moved over to NBC and get killed. Which is too bad. I almost hoped that BSG could've been funded like the stargate shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 (edited) Well, I gotta say, I have no clue where they are going with this. Everything I had read had me thinking Cylon civil war, a la Macross. Well, looks like the are all on the same page to me. Now we have to wait 7 months to find out where this is all going. Thank God The Sopranos is coming back this weekend. Edited March 11, 2006 by Duke Togo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realdeal Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well, I gotta say, I have no clue where they are going with this. Everything I had read had me thinking Cylon civil war, a la Macross. Well, looks like the are all on the same page to me. Now we have to wait 7 months to find out where this is all going. Thank God The Sopranos is coming back this weekend. 379184[/snapback] I can see why now they seemed to rush through storylines this season. Everything changes in the last half hour. Hope you guys on the westcoast enjoy it, I won't spoil anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memnon Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I'm on the west coast and have already seen it. For some reason SciFi on Charter Cable shows it at 7pm and then again at 10pm (or 10:30pm in tonights case). I'm with you guys, I have no idea where this series is going but it sure is one hell of a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 same with memnon, I get to see the show few hours before its actual air time......love dish network sometimes. I liked the episode, very conclusive for season 2, short as hell in my opinion but still rather good. Course, what happens to Baltar in my opinion was so predictable......so very VERY predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAND CANNON Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Not sure I liked what they were doing until how they closed it. Great episode. 7 months....yikes! Speaking of "7", that's how many models so far.......right? hmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 you bastards! I haven't seen it! I'm not even reading any of the posts... Im just jealous cuz I still have to download it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Holllleeeee Crap. They really weren't kidding when they said things would be different. Risky but I loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 AAAH-HA-HA-HAAAA! AHH-HA-HA-HAAAAAA!!! AAAAAAA-HAaaa!!!! Those fools! What the frak were they thinking?! Le Spoiler alert! Well, I love how Gaius ends up being responsible for the defeat of mankind yet AGAIN! What a great way to remind us of his original treachery. I find it odd though, that Adama would suddenly just acquiesce to the demands of President Baltar, considering he spent the majority of season 1 challenging Roslyn at every possible turn. I really don't see how mankind is going to pull out of this one. The only possibility is that the rumored fraction of Cylons seeking peaceful co-existence end up supporting a human resistance of some sort. I was actually moved by the scene that took place between Cally and Tyrol at the beginning. You gotta' love a girl that takes a beating from you and keeps on fraking you-HAAAA!!!! Ultimately, the best thing I loved about this particular episode is that someone finally got to pork that sweet little Cally-lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I could care less about the production time so much as the budget - I don't want to hear shortages being the problem of the series. 379092[/snapback] You should listen to the podcasts.....I think Moore has cited the budget once every other episode. Just last week, (as noted previously), they were planning on using the Cylon Heavy Raider for the jumping sequence but they didn't have money to build a set for it. He even responded to a question about the Marines equipment they use on his blog. Why do the Marines use the same equipment each time we see them? Because of the budget. They can't afford to rent or buy new equipment so they reuse stuff every time. Why not more shots of the Centurions? Can't afford it. They try to fit in more shots but I don't think they have the money for it. I'm sure there would be more shots of various ships...if they could afford it. 379098[/snapback] That's what I'm trying to say - give them the money so they shut up about it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 OK I officially hate Roslin now - she even knowingly riggs the elections just to get Baltar out of the way, and he didn't even think she was that bad. He may be an idiot, but she's just a bitch, really. Is it just me, or is one-year-later Dualla just hot! Just letting her hair down and a few more changes went a long way! I think the guy I feel worse for is Tigh - yeah he's a scumbag for rigging the election too, but to get kicked off the Galactica the day they get overrun, damn, doesn't that suck! I think they're trying the whole Caprica formula again (maybe that's why they called it "New Caprica"? ). Season 3 will be about the main cast working under Cylon control while the Adamas fing some mystical-type force to help them get everyone off the planet and back on the path to Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I like that they are going in a new direction. You can't have them doing the same stuff ad verbatim unless they want it to end up like Star Trek Voyager. 7 months is going to be an eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Rigging the election would have been in the best interests of the survivors. I so desperately wished that the conspirators had pulled that off. If Roslyn had won and had her way, they would still be on the run but at least be out from under Cylon tyranny. I look at this episode as another political statement/philosophy which states that mankind is incapable of governing itself or choosing in its own, best interests. Hail to the ultimate power of government over you! LOL. Now, after all they've been through, the survivors have finally become the pets of the Cylons. Losers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Rigging the election would have been in the best interests of the survivors. I so desperately wished that the conspirators had pulled that off. If Roslyn had won and had her way, they would still be on the run but at least be out from under Cylon tyranny. I look at this episode as another political statement/philosophy which states that mankind is incapable of governing itself or choosing in its own, best interests. Hail to the ultimate power of government over you! LOL. Now, after all they've been through, the survivors have finally become the pets of the Cylons. Losers!!! 379249[/snapback] Just as Roslin told Gaius. So he's basically screwed humanity not once (the mini), not twice (the nuke), but three times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Stands with a Fist is retarded. If she knew Baltar was a traitor, she should have used it in the election. How could she not? I certainly can't see the old man turning the other cheek, especially after the nuke explosion. I found it most preposterous that anyone would rather live in the shanty town rather than one of the Battlestars. Especially from the military crews. Starbuckette looks nasty with long hair, too. Fighter Jock to trailor trash. This nasty rag tag dregs of humanity almost deserves Cylon oppression... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Stands with a Fist-LOL...Well, anything she would have said during the latter part of the election would have been shrugged off by the planet-hungry people, seen as a desperation move by a losing presidency. As for living in a ship or on terra-firma, I guess we'd have to ask anyone who's served in the Navy in a ship or a 'sub or something. Even Harlem might seem like paradise-who knows, I sure as heck don't know. In regards to Starbuck, I think that she, Sanders and 'Kat should all get together and live as a happy threesome. Finally, I agree with the possibility of the survivor's lives being better under Cylon rule. After all, they obviously couldn't make decisions in their best interest even in the face of a pending Cylon attack at any given moment before their settlement, so these people need some sort of guidance-what better than the way of the machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarensaas Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 One thing I wanna see in season 3...THE SHIP OF LIGHTS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Interesting article about the prospects of S3. I didn't expect the occupation story arc would end that quickly....I was figuring most of the season! That's cool though. The Battlestars comming back to get the rest of the colonials might be the way the Pegasus geyts offed....if it does. Moore said that it would be around into season 3, but not indefinately. He probably hasn't decided yet. Personally, I don't get what the hoopla is about. Just seems like another twist in the shows drama. I didn't think this was a radical idea....especially if this arc is resolved in around 4 episodes in season 3. But that's just me. Great Show though!! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 “It’s also sort of, in a different way, part of the plan of moving Baltar to a darker place and making him into more of an antagonist,†says Moore.Not that we’re ever going to see Baltar sitting up in that high chair, living among the Cylons, like in the original series… right? “I wouldn’t be so quick to say that,†chuckles Moore. “I don’t know… That’s still a possibility.†Well, this is only what I have been begging for since season 1, LOL. One of the things [we’ve discovered] in the latter half of this season is that there are different points of view even within the Cylon world. You know, I still don't see how this doesn't end up with some sort of civil war. Whether it is Human & Cylon vs Cylon, or Human & Cylon vs Human & Cylon, it has seemeed to me that there is where they were taking it. I guess we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memnon Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Stands with a Fist is retarded. If she knew Baltar was a traitor, she should have used it in the election. How could she not? Like Adama said, she had no real proof of him being a traitor. I'm betting there will be a lot more than 12 Cylon models in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I dunno. I buy into the whole 12 Gods/12 Colonies/12 Cylons thing. I don't see this as coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Why not mention something BEFORE the whole freaking election?! That's when she remembered and everything. Proof or not, it gives something to be mindfull of to Adama. Again, that's the running theme of the show, does humanity deserve to survive? Let's get a running lists of the human-based Cyclons we know, I'm getting confused: Reporter-woman Smuggler-guy Leoben Number 6 Doctor-guy Number 8 - Sharon Preacher-guy Am I forgeting anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noriko Takaya Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Like Adama said, she had no real proof of him being a traitor.379295[/snapback] They also had no real proof of Kobol or of the Tomb of Athena, as Stands with a Fist stated in that episode. Then poof, look what appears. Adama believed her when she told him about Baltar, IMO. If Baltar was not so high up the political chain and therefore in the public eye, I think Adama would have had him thrown out of the airlock and blamed his death as an accident. But then, we can't kill Baltar, he's going to rule the Cylons one day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelay Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Reporter-womanSmuggler-guy Leoben Number 6 Doctor-guy Number 8 - Sharon Preacher-guy Reporter = D'Anna Biers Galactica Press liason = Doral Smuggler = Leoben Baltar's lover = Six/Shelley/Gina Doctor = Simon Preacher = Cavil Galactica pilot = Sharon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 The only odd thing that struck me in the whole 30 mins of the leap was...the baby is still a "baby"..after a year, shouldn't lil kid be toddling around a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 It was definitely a WTF? episode (in a good way). Like everyone here's been saying, it'll be interesting to see how they go from this. It was still a bit of a trip to jump an entire year later. But let's face it: one TV season of watching them settling a colony would've probably been bland. Within a few minutes after the year-jump, you get a fairly basic understanding of what's happened to our characters. You don't get the details but you get the general gist of it. I don't agree with the complaints about Adama and Roslin pulling away from rigging the election. Ever since the middle of Season 2, Adama's been thinking hard about the "It's not enough to survive" principles and his speech in the mini about the sins of humanity. Looking at his recent actions (reuniting the fleet at Kobol, pulling back from assassinating Cain, just being willing to talk to Sharon), it makes sense that he wouldn't allow the election rigging or try to pull a coup. Now this is my own little pet theory I'm throwing up here. But it'd be interesting to see if Moore's got the balls to throw in some real-world parallels at the start of Season 3: you got the Cylons occupying the human's home, the Cylons having the superior military might, and the Cylons trying to "encourage" (or impose) their will on humanity for the "betterment" of humanity. Hopefully, they can take this idea and muddy up all the issues, making it so that neither the humans or the Cylons are completely in the right on this. P.S.--Seven, I love your avatar!! German engineering in tha' HAWSSSS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) To tell you the truth, the one year leap isn't really such an incredible thing. What did you want to watch, a 10 episode arc of them unpacking and constructing a shantytown? Mog - Holding it down on the engineering tip, yaaaa! Edited March 12, 2006 by Seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) Hey, Adama and Roslin are just giving the people what they want. And guess what, they're all fraked. At least now till probably sometime next season. Till October comes... Edited March 12, 2006 by azrael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullsixx Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 WOW! What a helluva season finale! Goes to show ya what a POS Baltar is. However, I didn't think Gaeta would still be sucking his ass. Personally, I like the Beast sticking around (Pegasus). It should add to one helluva fight when the new season begins in October. Till then... enjoy the summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noriko Takaya Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 My wait for the new season will not be that bad. I have the new seasons of Doctor Who to look forward to, and I have not seen any of it. It will be a great filler while I wait for October. And what a great birthday present. My b-day is in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noriko Takaya Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Spoilers ahead. Special Guest Stars revealed for season 3! Moore has stated that he wants the series to have a musical edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 The shows lack of budget is really starting to show. I guess at some point, no matter how creative you are with your money, sometimes you just need more of it to do things. I was about to start donating to this forum to help out Shawn and Graham with costs. Instead, I'll just forward my efforts to BSG and it's poor crew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Atreides 86 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I for one realy liked the finale and can't wait for next season. If they're setting this up as some kind of allegory to World War II France, it should be interesting. I want to see what roles the de-mob'ed military, including Gaeta, are gonna take in the resistance. Can't wait until they get the fleet back together. Dee sure looked good in her uniform, i wonder if she got a promotion to an officers rank (perhaps her and Helo are now XO's of the ships??). Should be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Speaking about the budget, now that a good chunk of the new season will be planetside, I suppose we'll be seeing a whole lot of Canadian forests again, huh? That's one thing that always seemed funny to me is how any planetside scenes always were in the forest or downtown. And since New Caprica is supposedly uninhabited, the only scenes we'll be seeing is shantytown or forests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Personally, I like the Beast sticking around (Pegasus). It should add to one helluva fight when the new season begins in October. 379433[/snapback] That would have been the saddest excuse of a scene ever...Pegasus would be pwned before I finish this sentence....It won't even be laughable. Considering the skeleton crews on each ship, the time it took for them to just be combat ready, and the useless effort it would have been for them to launch fighters.... Speaking about the budget, now that a good chunk of the new season will be planetside, I suppose we'll be seeing a whole lot of Canadian forests again, huh? That's one thing that always seemed funny to me is how any planetside scenes always were in the forest or downtown. And since New Caprica is supposedly uninhabited, the only scenes we'll be seeing is shantytown or forests. Well, now we know where most of the budget for next year will go.... Location shots are even worst than set shots. They also cost more money. If Moore didn't complain about the budget enough this season, I can't wait till next season where I'll hear it in every podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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