Seto Kaiba Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Raikkonen said: The Like/Dislike button are really that. Did a person like it, or not, or is undecided/doesn't care to click either. Yeah, like I said, it's meant to be a knee-jerk reaction to the content immediately in front of you... not a vote of confidence on the potential of what the video in front of you might be trying to sell. 5 hours ago, Raikkonen said: The term "Review-Bombing" was created by film studios, and still used by them and whoever they pay to market them, to "try" deviate from the masses' discontent with their product. The term shouldn't be used as a way to shrug off mass opinion just because the minority disagrees with it. That's a bit wide of the mark, in point of fact. "Review bombing" was a term coined by game and tech journalists back in the late 2000s to describe coordinated campaigns of gamers mass-posting negative reviews of games to punish the developers and/or publishers for misdeeds like false and egregiously misleading advertising or using particularly restrictive or detrimental DRM. 2008's Spore gets cited as the origin of the term quite a bit. The term was later appropriated to describe similar punitive campaigns of mass negative review posting in other contexts regardless of justification. Film studios and TV networks do sometimes try to blame large numbers of early negative reviews on review bombing... but it doesn't take long for the truth to come out one way or the other, and you can pretty reliably predict which way it'll go based on how hard they're reaching for plaudits in their self-published promotional material. What it is in this case, we can only guess... it could be fans downvoting it based on past performance, or it could be people really just don't thrill to the concept. Time will tell. 5 hours ago, Raikkonen said: That said, sock puppet/bots services are VERY expensive, and if anything, probably only major studios can afford them, and if it was studio against studio, everyone would know it as the numbers would be unrealistically inflated on both ends. Well, yes and no... If you start your own, the setup costs can get quite expensive... but if all you're interested in is the results you can hire one of the many private firms that provide bot-driven social media "engagement" for pocket change. There are dozens of services that'll happily sell you likes, follows, retweets, and what have you for as little as a penny per interaction if you're willing to buy in bulk. A quick Google search'll turn up pages of services willing to sell you likes by the thousands for the cost of a burger at McDonalds. Studios don't typically do it because it's really bloody obvious when you see it happening, and most social media platforms have rules against buying engagement now. It's easier and less conspicuous to simply buy up the entertainment news websites that're publishing reviews and source their artifiical positive press more organically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I don't understand what's not to like about the trailer. It's just a teaser, has a lot of action, has some good actors in it. That's why I would guess it's just review bombing. People going "I hate Disney, you ruined Star Wars" thumbs down. I wonder how close in time the girl Jedi saying "I see fire" is to the events that follow. Maybe she's a bad little Jedi? Honestly, I'm so burnt out on Marvel and Star Wars. I haven't caught up on all the shows for either and don't know if I ever will. For Star Wars, I think I've only missed Andor and Obi Wan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyla Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, jenius said: I don't understand what's not to like about the trailer. It's just a teaser, has a lot of action, has some good actors in it. That's why I would guess it's just review bombing. People going "I hate Disney, you ruined Star Wars" thumbs down. I wonder how close in time the girl Jedi saying "I see fire" is to the events that follow. Maybe she's a bad little Jedi? Honestly, I'm so burnt out on Marvel and Star Wars. I haven't caught up on all the shows for either and don't know if I ever will. For Star Wars, I think I've only missed Andor and Obi Wan. You and me both. At this time all I want is a copy of the despecialized cut of the original trilogy I saw as a kid. I guess this is not a singular sentiment which makes it even puzzling to me why they didn’t try to set the story earlier: new characters, new aesthetics, new story beats, less baggage. The only thing I can come up with is that the marketing people at Disney think, that the Prequel era is popular thanks to the success of the Clone Wars show so they want to capitalize on that. In my perception most of the fandom is burnt out on some aspect of the Skywalker saga timeframe so to me the key to success is abandoning that narrative altogether. The KotoR setting was chosen exactly because it was so far removed so that they didn’t have to deal with the baggage from the main media, but it was familiar enough to recognize it as Star Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, jenius said: Honestly, I'm so burnt out on Marvel and Star Wars. I haven't caught up on all the shows for either and don't know if I ever will. For Star Wars, I think I've only missed Andor and Obi Wan. Watch Andor skip Obi. You’ll be happier that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, Big s said: Watch Andor skip Obi. You’ll be happier that way Watch Obi-Wan so you can feel our pain!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 47 minutes ago, TangledThorns said: Watch Obi-Wan so you can feel our pain!! Careful with the suggestions, he might start killing younglings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 hours ago, Big s said: Watch Andor skip Obi. You’ll be happier that way Agree on this. Some commented Andor meanders a bit, but I thought slow burn type shows matches the streaming format well.. 2 hours ago, TangledThorns said: Watch Obi-Wan so you can feel our pain!! Can’t disagree with this. Nice to see old familiar faces in SW again, but otherwise Obi-Wan is a classic example of be careful what you wish for of wanting more stories of classic characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, jenius said: I don't understand what's not to like about the trailer. It's just a teaser, has a lot of action, has some good actors in it. That's why I would guess it's just review bombing. People going "I hate Disney, you ruined Star Wars" thumbs down. I wonder how close in time the girl Jedi saying "I see fire" is to the events that follow. Maybe she's a bad little Jedi? As noted previously, a good deal of the discontent from the die-hard Star Wars fans on social media seems to center around the perceived Sith-Jedi continuity snarl between the dialog in The Phantom Menace and the setting of The Acolyte. Looking in from the outside as a casual Star Wars enjoyer, the long-time fans seem to react especially poorly to anything that changes the previously established timeline or how the setting works. 8 hours ago, jenius said: Honestly, I'm so burnt out on Marvel and Star Wars. I haven't caught up on all the shows for either and don't know if I ever will. For Star Wars, I think I've only missed Andor and Obi Wan. Andor is brilliant. You should definitely watch it, even if the first two and a half episodes are a bit of a slog. 7 hours ago, Scyla said: I guess this is not a singular sentiment which makes it even puzzling to me why they didn’t try to set the story earlier: new characters, new aesthetics, new story beats, less baggage. The only thing I can come up with is that the marketing people at Disney think, that the Prequel era is popular thanks to the success of the Clone Wars show so they want to capitalize on that. That's an easy one... it's all about managing and minimizing risk. Disney's been playing it safe with Star Wars ever since 2017-2018. The one-two punch of the substantially negative fan reaction to The Last Jedi in 2017 and the failure of Solo: a Star Wars Story at the box office in 2018 put them on the defensive in a big way. The ensuing panicked "recalibration" saw them axe their planned lineup of __________: a Star Wars Story films and have the final film of the sequel trilogy micromanaged and written by committee to ensure that it would be made as inoffensive to fans as possible. It's also why televised works have largely been Filoni mining the rich seams of pre-Disney nostalgia with de facto spinoffs of pre-Disney shows and new stories operating in close proximity to the original trilogy like The Mandalorian, Obi-Wan, Andor, etc. The farther afield they go, the less the writers are able to use nostalgia as a crutch in their writing and the more they have to change the visual design of the story. The Acolyte being 100 years ahead of The Phantom Menace seems to be their idea of a happy medium for now... far enough away that the events of the Skywalker Saga aren't yet relevant to the story, but close enough that they don't have to tweak the visual aesthetic any. 2 hours ago, Big s said: Careful with the suggestions, he might start killing younglings Killing a few Yuenglings might dull the pain of Obi-Wan a little... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 hours ago, jenius said: I don't understand what's not to like about the trailer. It's just a teaser, has a lot of action, has some good actors in it. That's why I would guess it's just review bombing. It is a trailer. A cherry-picked glimpse of what's to come. Hence why I'm moving into the "wait-&-see" column. 7 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: The Acolyte being 100 years ahead of The Phantom Menace seems to be their idea of a happy medium for now... far enough away that the events of the Skywalker Saga aren't yet relevant to the story, but close enough that they don't have to tweak the visual aesthetic any. How about 200? 400? 500? Stop using such small numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Pretty sure there's review-bombing going on. Actual opinion among fans and casual public is likely an even split down the middle. If you seek opinion videos and articles about this show post trailer, you'll see many are focusing on a certain narrative. One that if I mentioned here would be political sounding. Which is something we try to avoid bringing to our forums. There's a large chunk of the population who doesn't care about Star Wars but if you inform them about it and frame your complaint around this touchy topic all these people will mobilize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, TangledThorns said: Watch Obi-Wan so you can feel our pain!! Just watch the version with most of the bad parts edited out? https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 18 minutes ago, azrael said: How about 200? 400? 500? Stop using such small numbers. You'd think they could've just tacked an extra zero on there and avoided the perceived continuity problem entirely, but here we are. 🤔 The most practical explanation I can think of for why they're staying close but not too close to the Skywalker Saga is to save money and minimize risk by reusing existing virtual assets, physical sets, costumes, makeup, and props from other productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Have to read those Book$ and Comic$ to get the full picture.... https://screenrant.com/star-wars-yoda-sith-warned-didnt-notice/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 36 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Have to read those Book$ and Comic$ to get the full picture.... https://screenrant.com/star-wars-yoda-sith-warned-didnt-notice/ Not gonna do that. I’ll just stick with the notion that the creators were senile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't need to be any tie-in material. Everything pivotal to the movie/franchise should be in the movie/franchise as seen on screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 11 minutes ago, Thom said: I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't need to be any tie-in material. Everything pivotal to the movie/franchise should be in the movie/franchise as seen on screen. Yeah, this. If you can't write a coherent stand-alone story without requiring the viewer to go digest all of your DLC, that's not the fault of the viewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 28 minutes ago, Thom said: I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't need to be any tie-in material. Everything pivotal to the movie/franchise should be in the movie/franchise as seen on screen. I agree completely. Other franchises have already tested that paradigm to (self-)destruction and found it's a terrible ****ing idea. To everyone who isn't in the know, it's just a plot hole. Like Star Trek, when they put all the backstory for their 2009 soft reboot film into a limited comic that even Star Trek fans didn't read and then spent years regretting it and walking that sh*t back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengbuzz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Agree with Seto, Chrono, Thom and Big S: if you need "tie ins" to tell your story, then maybe you're not a very good storyteller to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Big s said: Not gonna do that. I’ll just stick with the notion that the creators were senile No one in their right mind would buy any of this trash....in either case....if you really wanted to know about any of the non-film "backstory"....there are plenty of sites that will glady provide it to you for the clicks...lol Disney/Lucasfilm must be making alot of money from the die-hard fans to keep leaving in the plot holes to sustain the side media sales....not really that surprising though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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