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5 hours ago, NightmarePlus said:

I take it that the Fold Quartz they have on Windermere wouldn't cut it for what the 29 requires?

So... that much isn't completely clear.

We know that Windermere IV has a large amount of fold quartz that they were very frustrated about New UN Government restrictions on the mining and trading of, but the quality and quantity requirements for the YF-29's Fold Wave System are pretty obscene.  We're talking four 1,000ct (200g) pieces of ultra-high purity fold quartz.  If fold quartz has density similar to actual quartz, those 1,000ct (200g) crystals would have to be at least 5.25cm across (for comparison's sake, a golf ball is 4.27cm across).

The SV-262 Draken III incorporates a Fold Reheat system based on some of the same principles as the Fold Wave System, but entirely devoted to improving engine output.  The Hs command type is noted to have a more capable version of the Fold Reheat system that uses special larger fold quartz obtained from the Windermere royal family, so they might be able to get in the ballpark at the very least.  

 

5 hours ago, Bolt said:

Could be the ultra economy version..🤔

That's called the VF-31 Siegfried.

 

 

27 minutes ago, DewPoint said:

Maybe not relevant to the conversation, but 1 carat is 200mg. So a 1000 carat fold quartz weighs 200 grams.

4 minutes ago, twich said:

That is actually quite small, so all 4 of the fold quartz necessary for the YF-29 to be at full power is less than a kilogram in weight. 2.2lbs=1kg. So The necklace that Hayate wears is probably half of the requirement of the system, I guess it is just a matter of the purity.

The size would depend on the density of fold quartz.

Mind you, we're told in the YF-29's official writeups that fold quartz of the appropriate size and purity is vanishingly rare stuff.  So much so that in Macross Frontier the only known source was Vajra semi-queen and queen forms.  Even on planets with extensive Protoculture ruins, crystals of that type are extremely hard to come by and worth a fortune.  

Even a fold quartz crystal the size of a golf ball is absolutely gargantuan compared to the size of the crystals we saw in most of Macross Frontier.  The fold quartz earrings that Sheryl Nome had, based on the dimensions of the official cosplay accessory, are lozenge-cut stones approximately 2.6cm by 0.9cm.  An adult Vajra soldier form has one of those crystals in its entire body, and they're only just pure enough to use in something like an inertia store converter or a dimensional warhead.

The fold quartz crystal in Hayate's keepsake pendant is quite a bit larger than any other fold quartz crystal we've seen directly, that much is true.  It's probably not at usable level of purity, though, given that the gaiden manga Macross Delta Gaiden: White Knight of the Black Wing shows the pendant came from a street vendor (the young Theo and Xao Jussila) selling touristy knickknacks in a farming village near the New UN Spacy garrison.  They offer several pendants of the same design to Keith, Bogue, Roid, and their mentor Morris in the manga's fourth chapter.  The Windermereans were well aware of the value of fold quartz at the time, so it seems unlikely that a renowned merchant family like the Jussilas was selling fold quartz crystals that were individually worth a king's ransom for pocket change in the form of tacky costume jewelry.  Xaos isn't exactly lacking for experts either, so you would think someone would've examined it and told him how much it was worth.  Especially once his resonance with Freyja started causing health problems.

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On 7/13/2021 at 11:02 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

So... that much isn't completely clear.

We know that Windermere IV has a large amount of fold quartz that they were very frustrated about New UN Government restrictions on the mining and trading of, but the quality and quantity requirements for the YF-29's Fold Wave System are pretty obscene.  We're talking four 1,000ct (200g) pieces of ultra-high purity fold quartz.  If fold quartz has density similar to actual quartz, those 1,000ct (200g) crystals would have to be at least 5.25cm across (for comparison's sake, a golf ball is 4.27cm across).

The SV-262 Draken III incorporates a Fold Reheat system based on some of the same principles as the Fold Wave System, but entirely devoted to improving engine output.  The Hs command type is noted to have a more capable version of the Fold Reheat system that uses special larger fold quartz obtained from the Windermere royal family, so they might be able to get in the ballpark at the very least.  

 

That's called the VF-31 Siegfried.

 

 

The size would depend on the density of fold quartz.

Mind you, we're told in the YF-29's official writeups that fold quartz of the appropriate size and purity is vanishingly rare stuff.  So much so that in Macross Frontier the only known source was Vajra semi-queen and queen forms.  Even on planets with extensive Protoculture ruins, crystals of that type are extremely hard to come by and worth a fortune.  

Even a fold quartz crystal the size of a golf ball is absolutely gargantuan compared to the size of the crystals we saw in most of Macross Frontier.  The fold quartz earrings that Sheryl Nome had, based on the dimensions of the official cosplay accessory, are lozenge-cut stones approximately 2.6cm by 0.9cm.  An adult Vajra soldier form has one of those crystals in its entire body, and they're only just pure enough to use in something like an inertia store converter or a dimensional warhead.

The fold quartz crystal in Hayate's keepsake pendant is quite a bit larger than any other fold quartz crystal we've seen directly, that much is true.  It's probably not at usable level of purity, though, given that the gaiden manga Macross Delta Gaiden: White Knight of the Black Wing shows the pendant came from a street vendor (the young Theo and Xao Jussila) selling touristy knickknacks in a farming village near the New UN Spacy garrison.  They offer several pendants of the same design to Keith, Bogue, Roid, and their mentor Morris in the manga's fourth chapter.  The Windermereans were well aware of the value of fold quartz at the time, so it seems unlikely that a renowned merchant family like the Jussilas was selling fold quartz crystals that were individually worth a king's ransom for pocket change in the form of tacky costume jewelry.  Xaos isn't exactly lacking for experts either, so you would think someone would've examined it and told him how much it was worth.  Especially once his resonance with Freyja started causing health problems.

That raises a question in my mind: did the Protoculture civilization particularly prize fold quartz of that purity, or were they advanced enough to make their own at a specific quality and quantity? Not sure, but since you mentioned previously that Protoculture seemed to worship the Vajra, they may not have been.

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15 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

That raises a question in my mind: did the Protoculture civilization particularly prize fold quartz of that purity, or were they advanced enough to make their own at a specific quality and quantity? Not sure, but since you mentioned previously that Protoculture seemed to worship the Vajra, they may not have been.

It seems a safe bet the Protoculture developed a means to synthesize fold quartz at the requisite level of purity for a given application.  Humanity's noted to be researching that very topic, and they're millennia behind where the Protoculture were technologically.  (Esp. if the foundations of the Protoculture ruins in the Brisingr cluster are what they appear to be... planet-spanning networks of fold quartz "tendrils".)

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10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It seems a safe bet the Protoculture developed a means to synthesize fold quartz at the requisite level of purity for a given application.  Humanity's noted to be researching that very topic, and they're millennia behind where the Protoculture were technologically.  (Esp. if the foundations of the Protoculture ruins in the Brisingr cluster are what they appear to be... planet-spanning networks of fold quartz "tendrils".)

So it's entirely possible then that there may be an as to undiscovered facility remaining from the Protoculture that was capable of making it? I wonder if that's part of the reason for the continued exploration (aside from colonization, of course)?

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6 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

So it's entirely possible then that there may be an as to undiscovered facility remaining from the Protoculture that was capable of making it? I wonder if that's part of the reason for the continued exploration (aside from colonization, of course)?

It kind of makes you wonder if there is some facility somewhere that does just that sort of thing.....a factory satellite that makes fold quartz.  Or, a factory satellite that makes the ship that the windamearans (sp?) found the Sigur......hashtehshitz.  

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2 hours ago, twich said:

It kind of makes you wonder if there is some facility somewhere that does just that sort of thing.....a factory satellite that makes fold quartz.  Or, a factory satellite that makes the ship that the windamearans (sp?) found the Sigur......hashtehshitz.  

Twich

It might be the same factory that makes all those guns we see in films and TV that never run out of ammo. :p

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So, another 262-Hs? Interesting, though I guess it means no needing to make up the Ba head and wing sculpt if they make it a toy.

As to the mystery valkyrie, I'm seeing some SV- lineage there (in the battroid appearance), as well as VF-27 and YF-29?

Definitely an interesting shape, and I'm guessing some VF-4 lineage in the transformation.

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35 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said:

Definitely an interesting shape, and I'm guessing some VF-4 lineage in the transformation.

Now now don't give Bandai idea for a DX VF-4A. :rolleyes:

 

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On 7/20/2021 at 1:34 PM, no3Ljm said:

Now now don't give Bandai idea for a DX VF-4A. :rolleyes:

Give me ALL the VF-4!!!

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On 7/19/2021 at 7:05 PM, pengbuzz said:

So it's entirely possible then that there may be an as to undiscovered facility remaining from the Protoculture that was capable of making it? I wonder if that's part of the reason for the continued exploration (aside from colonization, of course)?

On 7/20/2021 at 3:53 AM, pengbuzz said:

It might be the same factory that makes all those guns we see in films and TV that never run out of ammo. :p

Possibly.  Or it may have been something they perfected until after their civilization's collapse given that a lot of their fold quartz-rich ruins and relics are out on the edge of the galaxy where their final enclaves were before they went extinct.

(and hey, we do know that they had the technology to violate conservation of matter at one point...)

 

On 7/20/2021 at 2:34 PM, no3Ljm said:

Now now don't give Bandai idea for a DX VF-4A. :rolleyes:

... I'm going to assume the "n't" there at the end of "do" is a typo.  That is the only possible explanation I could think of for it.

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