Negotiator Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) No, it's not his game, it's not his market, it's not his audience. I could say halo gear is impractical too, but I don't make halo, play it, or have anything to do with it. You wont see me call an industry filled with "man babies". There's a million designers out there with a million opinions, he aint special. Edited September 8, 2013 by Negotiator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) No, it's not his game, it's not his market, it's not his audience. I could say halo gear is impractical too, but I don't make halo, play it, or have anything to do with it. You wont see me call an industry filled with "man babies". There's a million designers out there with a million opinions, he aint special. When you're talking about Major triple A titles that are expected to sell millions of copies, I think it's a little presumptuous to say that there isn't a significant amount of crossover in audience between halo and MGS. Further, saying you don't like something because it's impractical is NOT the same as saying, "I'm offended by the way a character is being depicted because it's blatantly perpetuating sexism and the objectification of women," which is really the issue at hand. Now, does the material he himself work on have it's own laundry list of problematic issues, and could he have chosen a more tactful way of presenting his critique of the situation? Sure; but that in no way invalidates the core point of his argument. Even if he has presented his criticism in a less than ideal manner you are doing a significant disservice to both yourself and society as a whole by resorting to ad hominem attacks to deflect and downplay the valid social issue being raised in a critique simply because it's being raised against a piece of media that you like. As a conscious consumer of media you have an obligation to recognize and acknowledge the problematic elements present in the things you enjoy; engage in constructive discussion regarding those elements; and acknowledge other, even less favorable, interpretations of the media you like. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something even though it's problematic in it's portrayal of a pertinent social issue, but refusing to acknowledge and address those issues does nothing but passively perpetuate those issues through inaction which drags down society as a whole. :tl;dr: Even if you think someone is wrong, blowing them off and refusing the critically evaluate their position is the worst possible thing you can do as a contributing member of society. Edited September 8, 2013 by anime52k8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 This thread should probably be merged with the MGS V thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negotiator Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 anime52k, I wasn't clear in what I said earlier. I know that there will be many different types of gamers playing mgs. I did take a jab at design too. I'm not even talking about objectifying women. I'm saying that he is part of development for games and it is unwise to make negative comments amongst the very industry he works in especially regarding a game giant like Kojima. You never know what you'll be asked to do next or who you may end up working with. I work in the entertainment industry, everyone talks crap about everyone, but we sure are not dumb enough to tweet it because there are egos, big egos that can pathetically, unfortunately blist you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) so now it's a stand alone game? edite: original source http://kotaku.com/why-metal-gear-solid-vs-prologue-is-sold-separately-1465079306 Edited November 16, 2013 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 so now it's a stand alone game? edite: original source http://kotaku.com/why-metal-gear-solid-vs-prologue-is-sold-separately-1465079306 So basically its going to be a short game that will most likely end on a cliffhanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 is this kojima's verision of Gran turismo's prologue = mgs V is delayed? i hope the full MGS V sees a 2014 release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrentonx Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Don't care how long it is as long as I can get it on disc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) i just saw that it will be 19.99 for download and 29, for disc for ps3 360 and 29.99 download for the ps4/ x one i hope it's not as short as playing snake in mgs2 (tanker ship mission.) more on ground zeros kojima saying it's going to have fewer cut scenes and feel like a tv series: http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/15/5106858/metal-gear-solid-5-ground-zeroes-ps4-tv-storytelling-hideo-kojima-interview Edited November 16, 2013 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So..... it is going to be a separate release? I'm fine with this if they don't change their minds again, and a physical copy is good news also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GU-11 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Not sure how I feel about buying a separate prologue to the actual game, even if it's cheap. Unless Ground Zeroes is essential to the story-telling in Phantom Pain, and the latter feel incomplete without the former, I'm not buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Next Gen Gaming: Sell DLC first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Extended trailer for Deja Vu. Looks like no David Hayter voicing classic Snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) konami xbox one trailer marking soldiers using the scope is ripped from farcry 3 raiden will be exclusive 360 and xone DLC content first making a huge teaser then just to annouce the cheap psone solid snake skin for ps4 launch day and now this... i think i'm starting to get disappointed with these dumb DLC's. the whole ground zero's is a DLC... putting out exclusives for what is pretty much a prologue is real bad taste imo. Edited December 9, 2013 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrentonx Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Yeah...down with console exclusives Got no interest in xbone. It'll eventuality be released for all consoles but I like my bits and bytes on a disc! The less dlc the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Looks fun, too bad I'll be getting GZ for PS3. Gotta expect these kind of exclusives, the new "console war" is just starting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboy00z Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Ground Zeros comes out on my birthday. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GU-11 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Enough with the console exclusives and DLC's already. I wasn't sure if I'd get the game, and now, what with Raiden being 360/Xbone exclusive AND a DLC to boot, I've pretty much made up my mind not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Likely all the exclusives are timed, and even if they aren't, it's no reason to pass up the core game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) konami released a comparison video of the differences between the ps3/360 vs. the ps4 and x1 versions (ps4 will run 1080p natively 60fps, while x one will be 720p 60fps, the ps3/360 will be 720p 30fps) http://trailers-ak.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/1/t_metalgearsolidv_consolecomparison_10kbps.mp4 the comparison also shows the frame-rate for all systems running simultaneously. it's the ps4 ver for me hands down Edited February 19, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrentonx Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I preordered the PS4 version and I don't even own a PS4 (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) konami decided to price cut the retail disc versions of the ps4 and xone to 29.99... i guess paying 39.99 for a demo is too much. i think it should be 19.99 for all platforms. http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/25/5445626/metal-gear-solid-5-ground-zeroes-price-cut-ps4-xbox-one-phantom-pain-dlc Edited February 26, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Haha most people were probably ordering the ps3/360 versions anyways. Any word on a Ground Zeroes PS4 bundle yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 according to kotaku, game informer mag states the main story took less than 2 hours to finish... http://kotaku.com/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-is-short-really-short-1516004297 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreichma Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I know this is a stretch but if someone can deliver it would a great resource. I am new, completely new to the MG series and want to start playing. I have no idea how the story line goes from past to present because it jumps so much and is confusing for a first timer to try to figure out. Could someone give a past to present time line with description of events the game it corresponds to and the character so I could follow along and enjoy when I start playing? If possible what I'm looking for is past to present in the story line with cooresponding games, not past to present in games with corresponding story line. I hope that makes since because the games jump around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyD Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Lots of spoilers, but maybe this helps? http://www.gamesradar.com/the-complete-history-of-metal-gear/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Helped me, thank you...I've only played a couple of Metal Gear games thru completion. The story is/was so convoluted that I just couldn't get into playing most of the games in the series. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 If you are looking to get into the series but want to play some of the older titles to get a feel for the games mechanics and storytelling, I recommend picking up the recently released HD collection. It includes MGS 3 and Peace Walker which are the prequels to Ground Zeroes/ Phantom Pain (you only really need to play MGS3 though) and is fantastic value for what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) I know this is a stretch but if someone can deliver it would a great resource. I am new, completely new to the MG series and want to start playing. I have no idea how the story line goes from past to present because it jumps so much and is confusing for a first timer to try to figure out. Could someone give a past to present time line with description of events the game it corresponds to and the character so I could follow along and enjoy when I start playing? If possible what I'm looking for is past to present in the story line with cooresponding games, not past to present in games with corresponding story line. I hope that makes since because the games jump around. i would start with metal gear solid 1 for psone. i found that to be the best stand alone to play first being new and to grasp everything else plus it's only about a 6 hour game.... so it's a very quick play. from there you can then play the HD collection as dizman recommended and play 2 then 3, and you should be caught up on everything. Edited March 3, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 HD collection comes with a code to download MGS 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 HD collection comes with a code to download MGS 1. you're talking about the legacy collection. the HD collection ps3/360 only comes with MGS 2,3 and peace walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) I know this is a stretch but if someone can deliver it would a great resource. I am new, completely new to the MG series and want to start playing. I have no idea how the story line goes from past to present because it jumps so much and is confusing for a first timer to try to figure out. Could someone give a past to present time line with description of events the game it corresponds to and the character so I could follow along and enjoy when I start playing? If possible what I'm looking for is past to present in the story line with cooresponding games, not past to present in games with corresponding story line. I hope that makes since because the games jump around. Metal Gear Retrospective SIx parts. Each one is about 20 minutes a piece. Then Watch MGS4 the movie ITS FIVE HOURS you're talking about the legacy collection. the HD collection ps3/360 only comes with MGS 2,3 and peace walker It was a bonus for PS3 players. Not sure if was a PO bonus or just buy it and you get it type thing. Edited March 3, 2014 by BeyondTheGrave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob joe mac Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 you're talking about the legacy collection. the HD collection ps3/360 only comes with MGS 2,3 and peace walker there are two PS3 collections a older one with 2,3 and peace walker and a newer one that came out in the fall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_The_Legacy_Collection and yea the two PS1 titles have a code on a slip in the case or the back of the manual or something. All this reminds me that I bought it and have barely even touched it. Amazing value when it was released 2 NES games 2 PS1 games the HD remasters of 2,3,peace walker and 4, with all sorts of other bonus goodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) It was a bonus for PS3 players. Not sure if was a PO bonus or just buy it and you get it type thing. yeah, that was for japan. i have the U.S. release 2 copies. anyways, regardless if there's a code or not, i recommended sreichma start out w/ mgs 1 instead of 2 or 3 or it'll be boring and wouldn't make sense. 3 imo is the pinnacle and the greatest of the series but i had some people play it first, get bored and never got too far bc their was too much dialogue in the beginning and thus skipped all the cutscenes. Then they just stopped playing altogether thinking it's not a good game. Edited March 4, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I picked up Ground Zeroes on X1 early...Can't say how...Alright whatever, mom and pop game stores get stuff in early all the time, I've been going to one here in Vegas for over a decade, I also got to pick up South Park Stick of Truth early. I'm biased towards the Metal Gear series, I think it's one of the greatest gaming series ever created, so naturally I'm loving GZ, the price tag got dropped for all versions a month back or so I believe so that may make your choice on picking it up easier, I'd certainly recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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