dakedo Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I think Macross 7 has a great background story, but there is just too much comedy in it. The protodevlins, the evil series story, the varauta army, I think its an overall cool plot, but the sound force and basara singing in all the battles is kind of a turn off. What do you guys think? 6 or 7 OVAs could have this story straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polidread Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) the World is forever split between loving and hating Macross7 i think it should be enjoyed as it is. Edited March 12, 2008 by polidread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Macross 7 is definately perfect as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Exactly, it is what it is, take it or leave it, just like what I think with the rest of the franchise. Can't wait for the day when people start making threads about remaking Macross Frontier 10 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 My problem with Macross 7 isn't "comedy," it's more a lack of seriousness in the story (similar, but different). I also think the story could have been tightened up a bit. With a somewhat darker tone, 7 would have been a brilliant 26- to 39-episode series. But remaking it...? I think the ship has sailed on that one. Besides, quite a number of people love it as is. For me, it's not my favorite Macross, but it's not my least favorite, either. Besides, from all indications, the reamake exists in the form of MacF. And finally, since Agent 1 is no longer here to bait Keith and get this thread locked, someone has to pick up the slack, so I guess I'll have to be the one to say it... "Assless chaps." That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Macross 7 should stay in the past and does not deserve revisitation. Best to learn from the mistakes and move onward with something like...Macross Frontier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thanks, but the remastered version is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Just to spite haters, I hope Basara pops up prominently for a couple episodes of F! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu test pilot Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 M7 is just perfect the way it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) I'd love to see Kawamori's vision of Mac 7, with him as Supervising Director. I suspect the tone would be somewhat darker than the cotton candy it originally was. When one considers the subject matter and principle villans it could have easily been a darker show. Edited March 13, 2008 by Zinjo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDClip Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Just to spite haters, I hope Basara pops up prominently for a couple episodes of F! Me too... As a washout, ex-hippie, has-been rockstar (fat and bald too ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Just to spite haters, I hope Basara pops up prominently for a couple episodes of F! And I'm sure his duet with Sheryl Nomu would turn out just as well as the one with Alice Holiday did... Actually, you got me thinking...a VF-25 in Fire Valkyrie colors would look pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) Me too... I'd like Basara to show up... and make everyone listen to his songs! Sheryl and Ranka should hide away in shame if this happens By the way, to go back on topic, M7 is just marvellous as it is, non need to change anything. And to Mr March: you have yet to see Macross Frontier, how can you tell it will be the masterpiece you hope it to be after only 1 episode and some (mediocre) manga pages? At least wait a bit before firing away ! Edited March 13, 2008 by Nexx Stalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorata Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) Well Mylene was mentioned in the translation of the Frontier manga by ackem so we may see cameos or a mentioning of the Macross 7 cast in Frontier but as for a remake I would say no, things would be changed and it would add to confussion of the continuality of macross. But I would like to have a OVA or cameo in Frontier to explain who Mylene did choose. Edited March 13, 2008 by Sorata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 By the way, to go back on topic, M7 is just marvellous as it is, non need to change anything. And to Mr March: you have yet to see Macross Frontier, how can you tell it will be the masterpiece you hope it to be after only 1 episode and some (mediocre) manga pages? At least wait a bit before firing away ! Well considering Kawamori has promised that this Frontier series will be the best one yet, and SDFM is the undisputed masterpiece of the Macross universe, Frontier has a pretty high standard to surpass. Thus, if successful, will become a masterpiece unto itself. The show has the potential to become a masterpiece or a commercial success. We won't know until episode 36 which it will ultimately become. SDFM was a critical and commercial success, while M7 was mainly a commercial success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Well considering Kawamori has promised that this Frontier series will be the best one yet, That's called marketing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I wouldn't mind if they went back into the battles and made choreographed some new fights and maybe made put in some new music for variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) By the way, to go back on topic, M7 is just marvellous as it is, non need to change anything. And to Mr March: you have yet to see Macross Frontier, how can you tell it will be the masterpiece you hope it to be after only 1 episode and some (mediocre) manga pages? At least wait a bit before firing away ! Who said anything about "masterpiece"? Macross 7 was the bottom of the barrel; chances of a good Macross production are much better if Kawamori and Co. stay away from wasting time remaking M7. As for Macross Frontier, it might turn out great or lousy, but so far I'm enjoying it. Edited March 13, 2008 by Mr March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 That's called marketing... Believe in the Force, my friend. Believe in Kawamori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) Just to spite haters, I hope Basara pops up prominently for a couple episodes of F! I'm hoping so. Haters must be disciplined with Basara's music. FIRE BOMBER !!! Edited March 13, 2008 by Macross007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polidread Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 mwehehehe! what, much like Minmay, Basara's gonna sing the haters to submission? quite possible, coz Basara was able to tame Gamlin and he was even armed with the incredible Gamlin Kick... so what sort of defense do the haters have against that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 HELL NO!!! close this topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 NOPE. I'd rather they focus all their attention on Frontier and make it as good as it can possibly be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Who said anything about "masterpiece"? Macross 7 was the bottom of the barrel; chances of a good Macross production are much better if Kawamori and Co. stay away from wasting time remaking M7. As for Macross Frontier, it might turn out great or lousy, but so far I'm enjoying it. I too enjoyed the first episode, and I agree that it had a good "vibe" that gives me hope for the future of the series. However, that M7 is the bottom of the line is your opinion (and that's ok). I think that it's one of the best sequels ever made, but hey, that's life One last bit. SDF Macross was absolutely not an immediate success. It could have been canceled if it wasn't for Valkyries' sales and it was only through merchandising that it endured. If it that didn't happen, we wouldn't be talking about Macross F today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I too enjoyed the first episode, and I agree that it had a good "vibe" that gives me hope for the future of the series. However, that M7 is the bottom of the line is your opinion (and that's ok). I think that it's one of the best sequels ever made, but hey, that's life One last bit. SDF Macross was absolutely not an immediate success. It could have been canceled if it wasn't for Valkyries' sales and it was only through merchandising that it endured. If it that didn't happen, we wouldn't be talking about Macross F today. Of course it's just an opnion, as is your own view. We are here to share them with each other after all. Fortunately the number of people here that try to pass their opinions off as more than that are few, so we're good. I'm not too worried about Macross Frontier's popularity. I don't think it'll be a smash hit (I can always hope), but I know it'll do well and we'll all enjoy the merchandise. No doubts there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Of course it's just an opnion, as is your own view. We are here to share them with each other after all. Fortunately the number of people here that try to pass their opinions off as more than that are few, so we're good. I'm not too worried about Macross Frontier's popularity. I don't think it'll be a smash hit (I can always hope), but I know it'll do well and we'll all enjoy the merchandise. No doubts there And even if it does get cancelled mid-stream, we can always hope that it goes out like the original Gundam...they scrambled to put together four episodes to wrap everything up after it had ben cancelled, and those are four of the best episodes in the whole series. In fact, based on the "Tomino Memo" for what would have happened in epsiodes 40~52, I think the abbreviated ending is better. Back to Macross 7, I'm currently rewatching it, and I wish there had been some kind of retroactive cancellation that would have forced them to tighten up the first twenty episodes into maybe nine or ten... Or, instead of remaking it, maybe we should take a page from one of the guys at Robotech.com, who is rewriting Mac7 to fit in with Robotech...Max is now Admiral Scott Bernard, Ariel is dead, Mylene is now Marlene Bernard, and Basara has been renamed "Nick Vasillis." Sounds like a winner to me!</sarcasm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 mwehehehe! what, much like Minmay, Basara's gonna sing the haters to submission? quite possible, coz Basara was able to tame Gamlin and he was even armed with the incredible Gamlin Kick... so what sort of defense do the haters have against that? Indeed. POWER TO THE MUSIC !!! FIRE BOMBER !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakedo Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Well if the remake is not going to happen, at least they should try repainting the Varauta army valks in a remastered edition. I mean, they are pink! I know the pilots were like zombies and they didnt care, but still, it should be embarrasing to pilot a pink valk. Of course, If I had thousands of zombie minions like the protodevlins had, I would make fun of them, I would have them wear ridiculous wigs or would order them to learn some coregraphic steps, and so on just for fun, but I would definitely not make them pilot pink Valks... hum wait a minute, oh man those protodevlins were really evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Of course it's just an opnion, as is your own view. We are here to share them with each other after all. Fortunately the number of people here that try to pass their opinions off as more than that are few, so we're good. I'm not too worried about Macross Frontier's popularity. I don't think it'll be a smash hit (I can always hope), but I know it'll do well and we'll all enjoy the merchandise. No doubts there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big F Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Rather than remake it they should add to it. it all got interesting in the last few episodes. Then in the last episode uncultured Zentradai turn up and someone rolls the credits. I want to know what happens next. The only certainty is Basra lives as he goes on to annoy the Space Whales later on. The only pre condition I ask for is more gritty and less fluffy singing storyline. More M0 and Frontier style story. Make people actualy care about the cast. Edited March 14, 2008 by big F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Why do people would keep wanting to remake everything... leave the series alone it is good and finished. I would anyway liked to see a more mature and wiser Basara in Macross F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I too enjoyed the first episode, and I agree that it had a good "vibe" that gives me hope for the future of the series. However, that M7 is the bottom of the line is your opinion (and that's ok). I think that it's one of the best sequels ever made, but hey, that's life It's been my experience that the show that made you a fan is the one that you remember the most fondly. I was hooked on SDFM, while others it was M7. That's fine, but unfortunately it takes a lot to look at them objectively. One last bit. SDF Macross was absolutely not an immediate success. It could have been canceled if it wasn't for Valkyries' sales and it was only through merchandising that it endured. If it that didn't happen, we wouldn't be talking about Macross F today. Where in the world did you get THAT information from??? SDFM's merchandising didn't kick in to full gear until midway through the series and it carried right through DYRL and beyond. The series had two maybe three sponsors when it aired and the transformation of the Valks was not known until the first episode aired. It was a low budget series that captured the imagination of a generation, unlike Gundam that had a delayed reaction (much like Star Trek). The biggest draw to the show was the music, followed by the mecha. The biggest risk it faced was getting the animation completed in time for the weekly airing. The Merchandising was responsible for DYRL and the additional episodes at the end of the series. In fact the merchandise demand was so enduring that BigWest commissioned Mac II without Studio Nue to capitalize on it. The only pre condition I ask for is more gritty and less fluffy singing storyline. More M0 and Frontier style story. Make people actualy care about the cast. I agree with you there. That is why I'd love to see what Kawamori's direct vision of the show would have been like, as compared to what the show's director came up with. Considering he was involved in directing Macross Plus at the time, he didn't spend as much time supervising that show as he could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Rather than remake it they should add to it. it all got interesting in the last few episodes. Then in the last episode uncultured Zentradai turn up and someone rolls the credits. I want to know what happens next. The only certainty is Basra lives as he goes on to annoy the Space Whales later on. The only pre condition I ask for is more gritty and less fluffy singing storyline. More M0 and Frontier style story. Make people actualy care about the cast. I really don't understand how you're associationg "singing" with "fluffy," but whatever. Fact of the matter is, if Basara had shot up his enemies, it would have been the run of the mill everything that's been done before, and all things considered in context, the Protodevelin were so strong that the 7 fleet was way outgunned, even with reaction weapons. Telekenetic/chi/whatever powers are nothing new to anime, aren't localized to any one genre, and are quite proficient within the culture. It's just as silly as complaining about Newtypes in Gundam, Overmen in Votoms, or Jedi in Star Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big F Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) I really don't understand how you're associationg "singing" with "fluffy," but whatever. Fact of the matter is, if Basara had shot up his enemies, it would have been the run of the mill everything that's been done before, and all things considered in context, the Protodevelin were so strong that the 7 fleet was way outgunned, even with reaction weapons. Telekenetic/chi/whatever powers are nothing new to anime, aren't localized to any one genre, and are quite proficient within the culture. It's just as silly as complaining about Newtypes in Gundam, Overmen in Votoms, or Jedi in Star Wars. LOL No really what I meant was that the Zentradai fleet turning up was something familiar SWI original Macross, think of it as that comfortable pair of shoes that just feel right, I then thought hows this gonna work with the Basara angle. no more power and might of the military, maybe some major league culture shock. Then the credits ran Still I for one liked Basaras songs. Edited March 18, 2008 by big F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ork_dreadnought Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) Hmm, M7 hatred again. Going back a few posts, I have this image of Mylene & Basara appearing in Frontier having aged into a Sharon and Ozzy Osborne type couple. That would be a good way to bring aspects of 7 into the anime. Edited March 19, 2008 by Ork_dreadnought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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