Area88 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Macross Flashback 2012 is a 30-minute music video OVA from 1987 filled with songs from the TV series and the Do You Remember Love movie. The opening concert scene is stunning. The animation is very fluid and the older Minmay is very attractive wearing an original and fururistic outfit. Then there are the music videos which are carefully edited together by the same staff that made Macross famous, adding in special video effects and live action scenes to make the impact of the music even greater. Like DYRL, Flashback 2012 mainly focuses in on the famous love triangle. Everyone will have a favourite music video when watching this and mine is the 'Silvermoon Redmoon'. Then of course there is the ending which was originally supposed to animated for the end of DYRL but due to time constraints was never finished. Every Macross fan will want to see this as it really is the perfect finale to the series. How do you rate Macross Flashback 2012 and why? Edited February 22, 2007 by Area88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I really want to give it a 5/5 because An Angel Paints is my favorite Macross song. But Flashback 2012 could've been a LOT more than a 25 minute clip show with 5 minutes of all new footage. But those images of the Megaroad, Misa, Hikaru, and Minmay close the chapter of SDF: Macross is grand fashion. You just wish it could've been a full fledged ending instead of a tease. 4/5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowe Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I love the additional 5mins but it was only five minutes.... I love all the soundtracks but when I first saw the music clips, I honestly thought they were fairly ordinary - more like watching a B-grade Karaoke. It really didn't have an impact on me and I thought it was a great lost of opportunity of 30 minutes air time. But Minmay was beautiful. 2 stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area88 Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 What i've always wanted to know is: Was Macross Flashback 2012 always intended to be a music video compilation or did the creators originally have any other plans at the time for the OVA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowe Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Was it done for the 20th anniversary? I always thought they did it to milk a few dollars out of the fan with old footages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 A solid 4/5, but much like DYRL?, Flashback 2012 is a film for the fans. It's not really a stand alone picture and works best as a complement for the Macross universe. Which is just fine by me because it really helps embelish and enrich the whole franchise. It's a great send off for the original series and the characters. The mecha designs are fairly unique and I especially enjoyed Hikaru's spacesuit-esque flight suit as well as Misa's captain uniform. These updated character designs in Flashback 2012 added a sense of realism to the stylised universe, yet remained inescapably "Macross." As a visual work it was great and the small story it told was amazing considering the lack of dialogue. A great video montage with really good music. Too bad it wasn't a full blown movie or OVA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Was it done for the 20th anniversary? I always thought they did it to milk a few dollars out of the fan with old footages. No, it was made way back in 1987. Flashback 2012 was a collection of story elements made for SDF Macross that couldn't fit into the series length AND some animation meant to be included in the DYRL? film, but never made it due to budget/time constraints. So they made a little video presentation in order to get that stuff out to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Don't have the sources with me but I believe it was the ending they want to end DYRL? with but for some reason couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I thought the last 5 minutes of 2012 were supposed to be the ending of the original series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Don't have the sources with me but I believe it was the ending they want to end DYRL? with but for some reason couldn't. I've seen that before. Time constraints, if I recall. They just couldn't justifty delaying it for the ending concert. I could be wrong. I know it was time or budget constraints. I give 2012 1 star. Perhaps it works as a way to give the fans material that was abandoned, but as an actual show... There's no new story content in there at all(Minmay leaving on the Megaroad was established in the TV series). And the animation level bounces around so much that it's a rather obvious patchwork. If I want to listen to Minmay singing, I can stick a CD in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I give it two stars, and that's being generous. The music is OK, but it's just a clip show (with the exception of the Megaroad/VF-4) and I hate clip shows. >:| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I like 2012, but overall it's really just a gimmick. Half an hour of clips, followed by a new concert that shoulda-but-wasn't part of DYRL. The only real value it has is showing us the majesty of the VF-4 (however briefly) and the launch of the Megaroad 01. Even that is of limited interest, because as pretty as it is to look at, the seqence doesn't show us anything that we didn't already know. This one is strictly for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Two stars just for Angel Paints and some new animation. Other than that.. meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danth Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 If I had to rate the video on its own, it would definitely get a 6 out of 5. Some of the best animation in the history of Earth, and I don't think that's an exaggeration. The song is great, and it's a finale for Macross, and the Megaroad and VF-4 look awesome. As for the whole package, well, everyone hates clip-shows. But you do get all the songs. Overall I give it a 4/5 (mostly due to the video). Question: Did 2012 come with the Japanese DVD release of DYRL? I thougt I read that somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Perhaps it works as a way to give the fans material that was abandoned, but as an actual show... That's exactly what it was. There were no new projects on the horizon and the show was still very huge with the fans so in order to keep the merchandising machine going they came up with FB2012. (Minmay leaving on the Megaroad was established in the TV series). Wha?? I don't recall THAT particular pearl at all! The human emigration project was established, but nowhere that I recall is it mentioned that Minmay was going to be in it. Her continued singing career was established at the end of SDFM. If I want to listen to Minmay singing, I can stick a CD in. Maybe so, but back in 1987 music videos were still all the rage and a collection of Macross videos based on the show's soundtrack was all about marketing to the insatiable fans. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I like 2012 specifically for the new Farewell Concert footage and Mari's new song "Angel Paint" (which she wrote). It was nice to see them incorporate most of the concert into the end credits of Bandai's Perfect Edition of DYRL on DVD. The individual video segments were quite uninspired and clearly done "on the cheap" since very little new footage was animated for them, but rather existing series and movie footage was used instead. If they would have treated it like a video collection of the DYRL soundtrack and used that footage exclusively I'd probably appreciate it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Wha?? I don't recall THAT particular pearl at all! The human emigration project was established, but nowhere that I recall is it mentioned that Minmay was going to be in it. Her continued singing career was established at the end of SDFM. Immediatly afterwards... She asks Misa to give her a seat on the Megaroad. And it's granted. ... Because Misa's f'ing stupid and hasn't quite figured out that Hikaru has zero willpower. She'll be fighting with the brat until the end of time if she stays in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacyAce2012 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I gave it a four out of five stars. I thought it was a nice little tribute, and farewell, to three of the main characters from the Original Series. The new animation scenes were excellent. "An Angel's Paints" was a pretty good tune, as well. What topped it all off for me were the still images, in the end credits, of Minmany walking off into the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necron_99 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I gave it 5 stars. I love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I gave it 4/5. The animation of the few minutes of new material was top notch. The music, especially for the end with bits from DYRL? is great. But as it's been said before by others, it could have been so much more, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I give 2012 1 star. Perhaps it works as a way to give the fans material that was abandoned, but as an actual show... There's no new story content in there at all(Minmay leaving on the Megaroad was established in the TV series). And the animation level bounces around so much that it's a rather obvious patchwork. If I want to listen to Minmay singing, I can stick a CD in. I think you really don't know what macross flashback 2012 is about. The oppening and the last 5 minutes are together one of the most beautiful moments in animation ever. And one of the most significant moments of macross too. So yes, is for fans only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I think you really don't know what macross flashback 2012 is about. Oh god...not the "You didn't understand it" defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Oh god...not the "You didn't understand it" defense. You're just being cheeky because you don't understand that defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 You're just being cheeky because you don't understand that defense I know that Zentraedi don't live on Endor. Does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyrox Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I gave it a 1/5 because that was as low as I could go. Total waste of my time. I really dislike the Macross pop-music, and besides being an overly long, and fairly lame, music video 2012 doesn't really offer anything to the viewer. I'm a fan of Macross, but Flashback hardly even counts in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I know that Zentraedi don't live on Endor. Does that count? "Ladies and gentlemen of the 'supposed' jury, it does not make sense!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I know that Zentraedi don't live on Endor. Does that count? How could I have ever doubted you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 You're just being cheeky because you don't understand that defense Keith? Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 "Ladies and gentlemen of the 'supposed' jury, it does not make sense!" This is the first time I've ever heard of a group of people trying to "make sense" of a collection of music videos??? Were you somehow expecting some hidden protoculture theme with rainbow song beams making everything better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 This is the first time I've ever heard of a group of people trying to "make sense" of a collection of music videos??? Were you somehow expecting some hidden protoculture theme with rainbow song beams making everything better? It makes more sense than Valkyries with Breastesesess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechuck Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I gave it 3/5. It's good that it rounds up the character/love story. Would have been better to have the concert and the 5 minutes of new animation just before or while the end credits are running. I also think the staff behind this got away with murder. Tree years after DYRL and all they come up with is a 30 minute music video... they were lucky Macross fans swallowed this back then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 This is the first time I've ever heard of a group of people trying to "make sense" of a collection of music videos??? Were you somehow expecting some hidden protoculture theme with rainbow song beams making everything better? Thast's exactly what I mean, mac fbk 2012 is a glam piece of macross not another macross project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 it's like a tribute to the original characters and story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Focker Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 An excellent 5 minutes remains just that: 5 minutes, out of which I've probably enjoyed 2 (coincidentally my vote). Personally I find it incomprehensible how people can lavishly praise a rehash of SDF Macross and DYRL with high marks, despite the above-average song and the gorgeous 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 FB 2012 was essentially the fullfillment of Minmay's promise at the end of the TV series. New animation was freakin' awesome, and considering the mid 80's were rampant with music video's in general, I thought the montages were pretty good. I've always had a softspot for FB 2012 though, so I gave it a 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Who the hell is Gamjin? Is he related to Bukkakezaki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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