the white drew carey Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 The old A-12 stealth attack plain the navy caned in 1991 has finally been legally terminated. Northrup Grumman will finally have to pay back several billion dollars to the Government. Link, please. This is some very interesting news, and would like to see the specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Yep I was referring more to the hiding of the compressor face with the F-35 reference-- and possibly the coating of the inlet with RAM. Either way the J-10B would be an impressive improvement over the baseline J-10. Edit: Another view of the J-10 showing E/O and targeting pods on the inlet chin ala F-16 style. I'm not sure whether these are indigenous or Israeli-made/derived. May be I'm a little late and someone else has already commented, this thing looks a bit like the F-16XL, and more realistically, this thing looks like its way overloaded with munitions. A single engine plane carrying that many LGB and I think they are AAMs just seem... slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Compared to the missiles, those must be fairly small (long and skinny) bombs. Certainly nothing compared to a 2000-pounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyrox Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) The old A-12 stealth attack plain the navy caned in 1991 has finally been legally terminated. Northrup Grumman will finally have to pay back several billion dollars to the Government. I don't think Northrup-Grumman were responsible for the A-12, so I don't see why they'd owe the government anything. Edited June 7, 2009 by Phyrox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 The old A-12 stealth attack plain the navy caned in 1991 has finally been legally terminated. Northrup Grumman will finally have to pay back several billion dollars to the Government. Don't you mean Boeing and General Dynamics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 The old A-12 stealth attack plain the navy caned in 1991 has finally been legally terminated. Northrup Grumman will finally have to pay back several billion dollars to the Government. That's what you get for reading the Sun or the Star for aviation news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) www.defencetech.org is the sight were I Learned about the ruling by the US federal court of appeals. The United States navy gave the company a large sum of money for the development of the A-12 with interest Its like three billion dollars. Edited June 8, 2009 by miles316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) That's nice, but Northrop Grumman has nothing to do with the A-12. It was a McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics project. That's why I asked 'Don't you mean Boeing and General Dynamics?' (seeing as Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in 1997) Edited June 8, 2009 by Bowen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) That's nice, but Northrop Grumman has nothing to do with the A-12. It was a McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics project. That's why I asked 'Don't you mean Boeing and General Dynamics?' (seeing as Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in 1997) Your right I did not check my details sorry. They have to repay 2.8 billion dollars back to the government. Edited June 8, 2009 by miles316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Boeing is fighting the decision right now, we will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Is the J-10 doing a Cobra news? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzqM/Sitm...ra+maneuver.jpg Technically though, it's not proved until there's moving footage. There's no pics of the recovery section--that last pic of it flying level again could have been taken 45 secs later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 What's inside a VIP A380: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 What's inside a VIP A380: 2 words came to mind: SOOOOUL PLAAANE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 What's inside a VIP A380: WANT! Although I'm not sure those virtual prayer mats are strictly Halal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 WANT! Although I'm not sure those virtual prayer mats are strictly Halal. What, no toilets though? Guess you have to cross your legs and hold it, or perhaps you're supposed to pee in the 'well being pool'. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 F-15 Silent Eagle video (official): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Love the "po' mans" f-22. if i was to run a merc airforce for hire, it would be my plane of choice. perhaps we will see a avg group use it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Primarily addressed to David Hingtgen, but anybody else in the know feel free to answer. 1) For the F-15SE, has it been announced if it would be up-engined to allow super cruise? 2) Would the engines used in the F-22 even fit the F-15SE? 3) Has it been announced if the F-15SE would have 3D thrust vectoring? Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharky Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I just came back from visiting the Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH. That was the best air museum I have ever seen in my life I highly recommend it. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Graham---No to all 3. But, we did recently see the new Sienar Systems helmet for F-22 pilots: PS to Sharky---see the YF-23? XB-70? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiroikaze Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Graham---No to all 3. But, we did recently see the new Sienar Systems helmet for F-22 pilots: Yes! Can it detects a Porkins? Anyway, I always wondered why is the cockpit so tight... Is it for the pilot's safety? Edited June 12, 2009 by shiroikaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Yes! Can it detects a Porkins? Anyway, I always wondered why is the cockpit so tight... Is it for the pilot's safety? More for performance reasons. The bigger the cockpit the bigger you need to make the nose which means more drag and weight, and a less effective fighter. The cockpits on nearly all fighters are about as big as they can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I'm not sure if this warrants a new thread, but this thread doesn't quite feel right either... still, it did travel through the air for a bit, and its just too cool not to mention: http://www.haynes.co.uk/Press/Releases_HTM...ess_release.htm I'm not sure if you have "Haynes" manuals in the US. They're something of a British institution, the motor vehicle reference guide for people who used to pimp their rides before pimping your ride was something people did. They basically told you how to take your Mk. IV Ford Cortina to bits and hopefully put it back together again before the wife divorced you for getting all those oil stains on the carpets. If they didn't have a book that covered your car model, you should perhaps have checked again to make sure you hadn't bought a cow instead. More recently, and seeing which way the internets wind was blowing, they've been branching out into "novelty" releases like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure if you have "Haynes" manuals in the US. They're something of a British institution, the motor vehicle reference guide for people who used to pimp their rides before pimping your ride was something people did. They basically told you how to take your Mk. IV Ford Cortina to bits and hopefully put it back together again before the wife divorced you for getting all those oil stains on the carpets. If they didn't have a book that covered your car model, you should perhaps have checked again to make sure you hadn't bought a cow instead. More recently, and seeing which way the internets wind was blowing, they've been branching out into "novelty" releases like this... I found out the hard way that the Haynes manual on the Halfords discount bin was 4.95 quid but the tools and gubbins you need to carry out half the work in there would pay for insurance on an 19 yr old Student's XR3i/R5 GT/205 Gti/Astra GTE back in the 90s. Edited June 12, 2009 by Retracting Head Ter Ter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I love Haynes manuals, but that one is hard to swallow, let's face it Haynes manuals are so good because they dissamble the car to get all their information, somehow I doubt they did that with a LEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 At DH & Graham. Actually, the F-119, with the vector exhaust removed, could fit in the F-15's engine bays, but hooking them up would require major rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I love Haynes manuals, but that one is hard to swallow, let's face it Haynes manuals are so good because they dissamble the car to get all their information, somehow I doubt they did that with a LEM. Oh, of course they didn't. Everyone knows the LEM was made of cardboard and tin foil, like all the other props... (just to be clear, I am joking!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I cannot find ANYWHERE that lists the diameter of the F119, all I could find were comments from people saying they were more than the F100. Length-wise they'd fit, but I figured the diameter was greater based on comments and pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I know this is kind of off-topic, but I thought it was hysterical... Stephen Colbert flies with the Thunderbirds: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-r...ce-thunderbirds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Super Hornet=Rhino Growler=Grizzly http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/06/navy_growler_061509w/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altermodes Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) F-15 Silent Eagle video (official): That was cool Anyway , Sorry for talking amongst "Aviation" experts here compared to me ... ( I am, so way below "amateur enthusiast" in aviation that i will probably redefine amateur ) but, why do i think there could be a potential "Macross" like designation scenario happening here. etc... F22A = VF-1S F15E Silent Eagle = VF-1J and the average F15's = VF-1A Edited June 18, 2009 by altermodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 but, why do i think there could be a potential "Macross" like designation scenario happening here. etc... F22A = VF-1S F15E Silent Eagle = VF-1J and the average F15's = VF-1A Not really, I could explain why but I'm way too sleepy right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbes221 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Just some little news bits for those who haven't heard. It looks to be confirmed that the F-22 and C-17 assembly lines will shut down in 2010 with final numbers of airframes coming to 183 for the Raptor and 205 for the Globemaster. The VH-71 is also looking like it might soon get the ax as it is far over cost. The USAF's CSAR-X was terminated as well. This comes from Defense Secretary Robert Gates. And it looks like there are more problems for the A400M, here is a bit of what they said- On March 30 Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Ender Stated that: "under the current conditions we cannot build the plane" His interview was quickly followed up by an EADS press statement saying that: "The group reaffirms that the contract signed in 2003 does not provide the necessary conditions for the successful development of the program, firstly because of unrealistic timetable, and secondly because the commercial nature of the contract dose not fit the reality of a military program containing high technological risks". All this above was from AIR INTERNATIONAL Vol.76 No5 Now to me the A400M thing sounds like they told people that they could built a military aircraft using commercial methods to get a cheaper aircraft, faster than a normal military program could and now they found out that they can't and are blaming the contract. If the contract was unfair, why did they sign it? I haven't been following the whole A400M too much but am going to do some digging to get up to speed, but if anyone would toss in their take on things that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbes221 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Primarily addressed to David Hingtgen, but anybody else in the know feel free to answer. 1) For the F-15SE, has it been announced if it would be up-engined to allow super cruise? Graham It looks that as of now they are saying the SE can supercruse with just the 'side bays' as they are calling them (FAST Packs sounds even better now ) or be able to reach Mach 2.5, which they say is not possible with external stores. No word if new engines or just due to flying clean yet. Edited June 18, 2009 by hobbes221 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Just some little news bits for those who haven't heard. It looks to be confirmed that the F-22 and C-17 assembly lines will shut down in 2010 with final numbers of airframes coming to 183 for the Raptor and 205 for the Globemaster. The VH-71 is also looking like it might soon get the ax as it is far over cost. The USAF's CSAR-X was terminated as well. This comes from Defense Secretary Robert Gates. And it looks like there are more problems for the A400M, here is a bit of what they said- On March 30 Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Ender Stated that: "under the current conditions we cannot build the plane" His interview was quickly followed up by an EADS press statement saying that: "The group reaffirms that the contract signed in 2003 does not provide the necessary conditions for the successful development of the program, firstly because of unrealistic timetable, and secondly because the commercial nature of the contract dose not fit the reality of a military program containing high technological risks". All this above was from AIR INTERNATIONAL Vol.76 No5 Now to me the A400M thing sounds like they told people that they could built a military aircraft using commercial methods to get a cheaper aircraft, faster than a normal military program could and now they found out that they can't and are blaming the contract. If the contract was unfair, why did they sign it? I haven't been following the whole A400M too much but am going to do some digging to get up to speed, but if anyone would toss in their take on things that would be great. Not so fast. It's also looking like congress might keep the VH-71A while scrapping the hyper costly mini-Air-Force-One VH-71B. If the A400 is in as deep trouble as it looks that might keep the C-17 line open as A400 customers would likely buy it instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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