m0n5t3r Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) This is silly. It seems to me that this could easily be fixed by Yamato simply using smaller diameter push pins for the shoulder hinge. well, this has been my theory too... either make the diameter of the fat end of the pin smaller or make the plastic there thicker. there are no signs or news of cracking or even just stress marks on the "normal diameter" end of the pin. anyways... here are some pics of the sanded pin and when i put it back. i tested by transforming to fighter and forcibly pushed in the hinges to stow away under the metal swing bar (w/c is oddly a much tighter fit compared to the 1s's)... and then while in F-mode i pushed down on the shoulders and moved the whole arm assembly in and out. while in battroid, i dangled the 1J while holding on to one of its arms and shook it like a rag doll. i also tried to be as rough as i could while swinging the hinge over the tab that holds it in B-mode. Edited January 11, 2009 by m0n5t3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) S's that have pins that have the fat end pointing in opposite directions, one up, one down... compared to my 1J that has both L & R pins pointing down)... but after seeing len's pic of his cracked 1J hinge i decided to go ahead and do shoulder surgery on my 1J. Aye nako! Putanginang hinge! Ng fix ni m0n5t3r baka mag ayusan ng hinge. Sini sabuken mo yan? putting some oil/lubricant before pushing the pin out is a must... i tried pushing it out w/o any lube and it didn't budge and might crack if it is forced. i used a precision torx-head screwdriver that's about the same/smaller diameter as the pin. Baka mag try ako ito, para mag save ng Roy 1S ko. Magandang laruan itong 1S perong mi discracia sa hinge. It's just a small crack. Nothing a bit of glue can't fix. It's not like it's broken or anything. In any case, the best thing to do is to hold the piece tightly if you plan on moving the arm around in any way. Other than that it should be ok. It is a big crack on a small part. Once that one goes, the only other thing holding onto the pin is the part on the opposite side. Once that one goes, the entire arm falls off. Don't get me wrong, I love my 1st edition Roy 1S Super/Strike, but these breakages could so easily be prevented at the factory. Graham, if you talk to Yamato again, try suggesting smaller diameter push pins to them. Agreed. Either that or use a hinge similar in design to the v1 1/60 shoulder hinge, of course without the chestplate hindering arm rotation forward. I don't really care for the hinges being able to move in and out, it's almost redundant articulation. Edited January 12, 2009 by Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Ugh that's it. I've been going back and forth deciding if I should buy at least one of the new 1/60s VF-1s...Don't need another DIY VF-1. Forget it. Not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrossnake Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 ARRRGGGHHHH I'm done with version 2. Went to see my 1J thinking about the fix by monster and this is what I saw!!! I guess its confirmed that Yamato never did fix the shoulder. Sadly I may be the first casualty. And just a warning!!! We always talk about not handling these version 2 correctly but for my case I have NEVER transformed it except for the first time when I transformed it to battroid mode last November. It was just displayed in my shelf and never been touched for months!!! Sorry to hear that. I was going to get my frist ver2 VF-1... man, now I am not sure any more. This shoulder problem really worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folka Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 As far as I can tell, filing down the pin solves the problem of broken hinges. If you're that worried then just buy some lubricant and fix the pin when you receive your vf-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 As far as I can tell, filing down the pin solves the problem of broken hinges. If you're that worried then just buy some lubricant and fix the pin when you receive your vf-1. From the fix and procedures that m0n5ter suggested, it seems to work. He manhandled that thing more than anyone else would even dare! Salamat m0n5ter! The more DIY solutions come up which are pretty much neccessary at this point as to not break the things, the more these toys sound like Dragon's 1/72 diecast models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXTL Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) I guess the shoulder breakage on the 1J means that no release so far (except Hikaru 1S, but not many have it yet) is actually "safe", with the 1st run Roy 1S the most likely victim of breakage due to its tighter tolerances. I suppose that as more people get their hands on the Hikaru 1S, we'll probably hear some (hopefully few) incidences of breakage on that as well. Edited January 12, 2009 by IXTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Again, let's not make an epidemic out of one cold. The 1S had lots of breaks, since then we've seen one 1A break a shoulder and now one 1J. There's clearly a weakness here but there's no reason to think that all 1/60 2.0 shoulders are doomed. Edited January 12, 2009 by jenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Again, let's not make an epidemic out of one cold. The 1S had lots of breaks, since then we've seen one 1A break a shoulder and now one 1J. There's clearly a weakness here but there's no reason to think that all 1/60 2.0 shoulders are doomed. And they seem to be doing something about it, considering there seems to be less and less breakage as its going on (going from TONS of breaks on the -1S to ONE for each subsequent release is a pretty good ratio from what I can see). Deeming the whole V2 1/60 line "not worth buying" just because a few have broken is EXTREMELY short sighted considering were just at the very infancy of the line itself. That's like writing off all SV-51s simply because a few Ivanovs had floppy wings. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Again I'll state it, first issue Super Pack Fokker, and I never had an issue with it, same thing with my Hikaru. Hell in another week or so I plan on getting my VF-1J finally...and maybe possibly a VF-1S Hikaru and Max type who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent-GHQ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 For those owners that has the gripe on their Valk's shoulder, was it discovered prior to transforming or during the transformation? Also, is $550- shipped a good price for the following: 1. VF-1S Fokker 2. VF-1S Ichijo 3. VF-1J Ichijo 4. VF-1A Ichijo All comes with the combo super strike fast packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 From the fix and procedures that m0n5ter suggested, it seems to work. He manhandled that thing more than anyone else would even dare! Salamat m0n5ter! no prob., man. hope you can fix your 1S and be able to play with it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 And they seem to be doing something about it, considering there seems to be less and less breakage as its going on (going from TONS of breaks on the -1S to ONE for each subsequent release is a pretty good ratio from what I can see). Deeming the whole V2 1/60 line "not worth buying" just because a few have broken is EXTREMELY short sighted considering were just at the very infancy of the line itself. That's like writing off all SV-51s simply because a few Ivanovs had floppy wings. Vostok 7 Sorry, floppy wings are not broken shoulders. The wing maybe loose but it's not broken. All of I've seen from this new line of 1/60s is broken shoulders and DIY fixes that the dopes at Yamato should have done in the first place. Screw that. I'll spend my entertainment dollar elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMax Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 While I agree that the guys at yamato could have done a much better job with the shoulders, I personally feel that since it can be fixed pretty easily, don't let this turn you away from what is otherwise a great toy/ display piece. I will continue to purchase more yamato 1/60 V 2.0s, shoulder problem or not (although i really hope that they can acknowledge and fix this annoyance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Sorry, floppy wings are not broken shoulders. The wing maybe loose but it's not broken. All of I've seen from this new line of 1/60s is broken shoulders and DIY fixes that the dopes at Yamato should have done in the first place. Screw that. I'll spend my entertainment dollar elsewhere. Thank you for missing my point Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thank you for missing my point Vostok 7 you say that now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I can understand people's frustration with broken Yamatos- the idea of "oh well hey - just go out and spend hundreds of dollars on multiples because chances are only 1 out of 4 will break" doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone. The only way I can maybe try to make the argument is thus: Think of all the money you must spend on girls before you get lucky and find the right one? All the drinks you have to buy, all of the time and effort you have to waste, all of the clothes you have to buy her - and yourself (because she thinks they look great), all of the dinners you have to pay for, the movies, the trips, the vacations... And often times, it turns out that not every girl was worth the effort. BUT if you hadn't gone through the effort, if you hadn't "wasted" your time and money - you probably would not have ended up with the right girl in the end - you wouldn't have learned how to handle women, you wouldn't have learned how to pace yourself, how to even enjoy the process of spending, and how to be more selective in your spending. It's the same with Yamato Valkyrie. Keep buying - eventually you'll land the right one Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 You know we've hit rock bottom on our nagging about yamato when you start comparing toys with girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folka Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 In the vein of Isamu, you don't know whether its bad or good until you try it for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) It's the same with Yamato Valkyrie. Keep buying - eventually you'll land the right one That ultimately is a waste of money though. That's like saying "sure some of the ones you buy will be broke, but some won't". No offense man. I would just advise to be cautious when planning to buy any of these toys. It's to everyone's advantage to be patient and wait it out. Deeming the whole V2 1/60 line "not worth buying" just because a few have broken is EXTREMELY short sighted considering were just at the very infancy of the line itself. That's like writing off all SV-51s simply because a few Ivanovs had floppy wings. I can see the line as not worth buying unless: A-Yamato comes up with a fix B-the potential buyer is willing to implement DIY fixes. The former should have been done as soon as the 1S breakages occurred, and the latter shouldn't have to be done. That's the way it is though. I hope m0n5ter's fix can save my 1S. Everything else on the 1/60 is structurally sound and high in durability, surpassing the 1/48 which was very sturdy and durable to begin with. Why Yamato dropped the ball on the shoulders puzzles me, especially because the piece is so simple and their SV-51 and YF-21, both much more complex, turned out relatively problem free. Edited January 12, 2009 by Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Even the 1J's have fractures?!?!? UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. Graham can you please find out if this will be 100% corrected by the time the 1D is out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Even the 1J's have fractures?!?!? UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH. Graham can you please find out if this will be 100% corrected by the time the 1D is out? It will never be fixed. Stop buying the toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miriya Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 It will never be fixed. Stop buying the toys. Thats just crazy talk! I am pretty sure that most of us are physically incapable of stopping buying macross toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 It will never be fixed. Stop buying the toys. Might as well tell a meth head to stop buying and using meth. I'm sure meth heads complain about the quality control on their meth too, but still buy it. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thats just crazy talk! I am pretty sure that most of us are physically incapable of stopping buying macross toys. LOL. true that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I've informed Yamato about the 1 broken VF-1J. From what I understand, there have been no running changes made to the materials or design of the V2 1/60 VF-1 series, but the factory were instructed to be more careful and pay more attention to assembly of the shoulder. This largely seems to have worked, as the initial rash of cracks with the first issue VF-1S Focker, slowed to a trickle with later releases. I am doing my best to persuade Yamato that a smaller diameter pin and/or a material change is needed. I'll keep you posted. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Thanks Graham! Graham-wan, your our only hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
len_d69 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Thanks Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent-GHQ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Think of all the money you must spend on girls before you get lucky.Brothels, massage parlors, escorts, and hookers are guaranteed! all of the time and effort you have to waste. BUT if you hadn't gone through the effort, if you hadn't "wasted" your time and money - you probably would not have ended up with the right girl in the end - Your time and effort would not have gone to waste if you pay attention to her body languages that would indicates a degree of romantic interest in you. You know, the initial eye contacts, smiles, body gestures, her body facing directly towards you etc.. That is the best time to approach her, me thinks. Dr. Phil probably doesn't have this common sense either!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I've informed Yamato about the 1 broken VF-1J. From what I understand, there have been no running changes made to the materials or design of the V2 1/60 VF-1 series, but the factory were instructed to be more careful and pay more attention to assembly of the shoulder. This largely seems to have worked, as the initial rash of cracks with the first issue VF-1S Focker, slowed to a trickle with later releases. I am doing my best to persuade Yamato that a smaller diameter pin and/or a material change is needed. Thanks Graham. I hope they listen. None of their older VF-1 toys had this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlund Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) Hi All!! I've been away from the forums for several months due to being too busy at work (hehe, gotta work hard not just to make a living, but to support my yammie habit). Anyways, I'm planning to start collecting the v2 versions of the 1/60 macross yammies. So far from what I've seen online, it seems that they have already released the focker vf-1s, hikaru vf-1j, hikaru vf-1s, hikaru vf-1a, is this correct or is my list missing out on any v2 1/60 valk already out on the market? Edited January 13, 2009 by rowlund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hmm. I just got my VF-0A, and it has about the same shoulder hinge as the VF-1 v2, but IIRC there were no complaints about the VF-0 Shoulder hinge right? Very weird.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXTL Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So far from what I've seen online, it seems that they have already released the focker vf-1s, hikaru vf-1j, hikaru vf-1s, hikaru vf-1a, is this correct or is my list missing out on any v2 1/60 valk already out on the market? So far it's just those four. Next one is the 1D in Feb followed by the Max 1S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlund Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 THanks for the quick response, good to know we have the vf-1d and a max 1s(something not released before) coming out as well. I'm just hoping that they come out with all the valks that they had released before on the 1/48 line as well as the 1/60 as well aside from the new stuff like the 1s max. One of my greatest frustrations before was that even if I had completed both the v1 1/60 yammies and the 1/48's, there were valks that came out in one scale but not the other like the ostrich and elint and 1d which didn't come out in the 1/48 scale, and the 1/48 vf-1a max tv type that didn't come out in the 1/60 line. Basically what I have always been looking for from the get go is all the valks that I have seen and loved in one scale, and from one manufacturer(preferably yamato of course). Hopefully, the v2's will make this wish of mine come true and also release the vf-1a tv kakizaki(ben) along w/ the vf-1a max tv type in v2 form. The interesting thing though is that if yamato ever did release all the valks in one scale via the v2 1/60, I would imagine that it would cost more than a pretty penny to get them all. Then again, life is all about having things to aspire for or goals to reach. I honestly don't know how I'll be able to afford it if they did it, but it will sure be fun trying to get them all, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 retransformed all 4 over the weekend. All still fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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