dizman Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Kind of off topic but since you guys mentioned it, when does ZZ get good? When the intro changes, or around the time they get to Dakar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I just finished watching Zeta Gundam and I have a question about the time between the end of Zeta and Chars Counter attack what was Char up to in the interim? Is their a Manga side story or does any novels cover this. Edited March 9, 2012 by miles316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Originally Gremy Toto's uprising was going to be Char, so assumedly he would have been undermining Haman, creating cyber newtypes, and splintering off part of Zeon. But since CCA got greenlit, we can assume he anticipated that whole fallout, and was hanging out at Anneheim designing the Sazabi & new psychoframe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Originally Gremy Toto's uprising was going to be Char, so assumedly he would have been undermining Haman, creating cyber newtypes, and splintering off part of Zeon. But since CCA got greenlit, we can assume he anticipated that whole fallout, and was hanging out at Anneheim designing the Sazabi & new psychoframe... Thanks I did not realise their was a second series but its not on Crunchy roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Thanks I did not realise their was a second series but its not on Crunchy roll. Gundam Double Zeta, yes. Don't expect it to be ANYTHING like Zeta, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Thanks I did not realise their was a second series but its not on Crunchy roll. Universal Century animation in chronological order(not counting IGLOO) Gundam 0079(original series) Gundam 08th MS team(OVA set at same time as original series) Gundam 0080(OVA set in final weeks of the one year war) Gundam 0083(OVA) Zeta Gundam(tv series) ZZ Gundam(also called Double Zeta tv series) Gundam Char's Counterattack(movie) Gundam Unicorn(OVA) Gundam F91(movie) Victory Gundam(tv series) Notes: The Zeta Gundam movies may or may not have retconned ZZ Gundam out of existance due to changes in the plot they made. G-Saviour was a live action film that took place after the federation had colapsed, but has since been officially retconned. Turn A Gundam might be a U.C. Gundam series set very very far into its future, but nothing concrete has been said. There are also short OVAs that exist that either expand upon what's seen in the series, or give alternate "what if" scenarios to key events. The name of the eludes me right now. MS IGLOO is a cgi series that is set at various points before, during, and just after the original one year war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I just finished watching Zeta Gundam and I have a question about the time between the end of Zeta and Chars Counter attack what was Char up to in the interim? He was doing what Char does: leaving stashes of gold bars around and hanging out in bars, picking up girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles316 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I was watching Zeta and was expecting Char to stab them in the back some how, but it never happened does he reappear in Double Zeta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I was watching Zeta and was expecting Char to stab them in the back some how, but it never happened does he reappear in Double Zeta? He doesn't. Apparently, he was GOING to, but as Keith said, plans were changed. If you want to know what happens to Kamille, Fa, and a host of the minor characters, Double Zeta is a must-see. That said, again, it's NOTHING like Zeta. Expect chickens. Lots of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 He was doing what Char does: leaving stashes of gold bars around and hanging out in bars, picking up girls. I like to think Char died at the end of Zeta, and that it's just another one of his clones in CCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I like to think Char died at the end of Zeta, and that it's just another one of his clones in CCA. You're weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Coincidentially, I too am watching Zeta (the series). Some time agao, I watched the Movie Trilogy, but found it quite dissapointing on the whole (review here: http://dyrl.pl/detale.html?id=1042) The series is naturally much better. Will get around to writing up some reviews soon. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 ZZ is actually pretty good, once you get past the first chunk of 20-ish episodes. No doubt the first portion of ZZ was in response to critics claiming Zeta was too dark & gritty, so for them, we got the Zeta Zaku, & Moon Moon colony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Be warned if you watch ZZ. The title song "Anime ja nai" sears itself into your brain and will never let go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Just finished watching Turn A Gundam. Cool series, very unlike some of the other Tomino stuff. It almost had a Miyazaki feel to it. Anyway I just wanted to ask some of those more into the Gundam lore about the ending, specifically what we see in the epilogue: I'm under the impression that Loran Cehack stayed on Earth to take care of the needs of the true Dianna Soriel as a kind of butler/bodyguard. She's tired of ruling and allows Kihel Heim to take her place. However I've read a couple of reviews and online stuff were people point to the ring she has on her hand as a sign that she and Loran are a couple. So, does Loran Cehak actually marry Dianna Soriel? Is there any word of God or other source on this? I checked the Gundam Wiki but there's nothing on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 There's also the scene with the broken hearted Sochie, and really, why would Loran simply "movie in" With Diana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 There's also the scene with the broken hearted Sochie, and really, why would Loran simply "movie in" With Diana. Yeah, but broken hearted Sochie could just as well be because he decided to dedicate his life in the service of Dianna Soriel in a remote location, thus making it complicated for Sochie and Loran to have any kind of relationship. "Movie in"? Are you suggesting I watch the movie versions? Or is it a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Yeah, but broken hearted Sochie could just as well be because he decided to dedicate his life in the service of Dianna Soriel in a remote location, thus making it complicated for Sochie and Loran to have any kind of relationship. "Movie in"? Are you suggesting I watch the movie versions? Or is it a typo? Considering it was in the middle of the night, I'd say "typo." As for Sochie, if it were a simple matter of him becoming a servent, she'd be able to move in too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Turn-A is, by some accounts, the series that let Tomino finally overcome his decades-long battle with depression - this is why some of his earlier works are up and down like a yo-yo. Its still got some of his trademark narrative jumpiness - Tomino never can seem to let things sit still - but its probably his most balanced series since the original Gundam TV series (which I'm currently watching on DVD - isn't Bright just awesome...? ). Its a fantastic series overall, and really deserves to be known for being more than "just another Gundam series"... Tomino has always been a genius at creating worlds; one of the things thats striking me about the original series compared to things like SEED is just how detailed the setting its taking place is in, especially compared to other anime of the same vintage. I enjoyed SEED and Destiny (mostly, theres bits that made me despair for mecha fandom... ), but one gets the feeling that the reason UC stuff is so popular is because its setting is as solid as... well, an asteroid fortress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I like to think Char died at the end of Zeta, and that it's just another one of his clones in CCA. I can empathize with that. Having Char on the side of the angels in Zeta was cool, then having him dive headlong into "let's destroy the Earth" mode again a few years after is a little of a letdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Turn-A is, by some accounts, the series that let Tomino finally overcome his decades-long battle with depression - this is why some of his earlier works are up and down like a yo-yo. Its still got some of his trademark narrative jumpiness - Tomino never can seem to let things sit still - but its probably his most balanced series since the original Gundam TV series (which I'm currently watching on DVD - isn't Bright just awesome...? ). Its a fantastic series overall, and really deserves to be known for being more than "just another Gundam series"... Tomino has always been a genius at creating worlds; one of the things thats striking me about the original series compared to things like SEED is just how detailed the setting its taking place is in, especially compared to other anime of the same vintage. I enjoyed SEED and Destiny (mostly, theres bits that made me despair for mecha fandom... ), but one gets the feeling that the reason UC stuff is so popular is because its setting is as solid as... well, an asteroid fortress. I agree. Tomino is an amazing creator of worlds. Much better so than a director. You get the impression sometimes that some of his characters are trying to represent an idea or a vision he has, but by doing so their actions as human beings turn out to be quite head scratching. It's such a shame that Bandai Entertainment went bust just before they were going to release Turn a Gundam. It deserves a bigger audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I agree. Tomino is an amazing creator of worlds. Much better so than a director. You get the impression sometimes that some of his characters are trying to represent an idea or a vision he has, but by doing so their actions as human beings turn out to be quite head scratching. It's such a shame that Bandai Entertainment went bust just before they were going to release Turn a Gundam. It deserves a bigger audience. Here's hoping Noizomi decides to rescue it, as their slate will be clean after they're release of Nadesico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Um...not to go off topic..but I have a question about the Zeta Gundam anime and...I can't find the Gundam Show Thread?? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Um...not to go off topic..but I have a question about the Zeta Gundam anime and...I can't find the Gundam Show Thread?? I find your ability to use The Search disturbing. But you may ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I tried using the search..... Anyways - here's the question: In the Zeta Gundam anime - why is it that the Titans suddenly stop using the MK II pretty much around the time when the AEUG repaint therir MK II? Technically, before the Zeta shows up, the MK II is the most powerful MS in most battles - and I just kind of figured that if the Titans had a whole bunch of them - equally powerful - competing against ONE AUEG MK II, they would most likely have won... Or...am I wrong?? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) There are a couple of reasons. first of all, the Mk II was a prototype not meant for actual combat. Its main purpose was to test the movable frame 360° cockpit. Second, therr were only 3 produced. The AEUG initilly stole 2, dismantlig one for research. Forgot what happened to the third but I think Kamilles father abandoned it so he could steal Quatro's Rick Dias. or perhaps it was taken out during the initial theft. Lastly, the Mk II was not top of the line. It wasn't much more than a suped up RX-78. The Titans already had new superior models like the Byalant, Ashimar, and just about anything Jerid pilofed post Hizack. Anneheim used it a bit in their Zeta project MS, but most of those also outperformed the Mk II. If anything, I think the Mk II wound up being the basis for developing the Nemo. or rather, the Nemo was its GM. Edited June 28, 2012 by Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ok - this makes sense I guess. It's just that for a supposedly out-dated model, the AEUG's MK II performs so much better against anything that the titans throw at them - so I wondered - if in actual combat the MK II outperforms all of the Titans latest MSes...then wouldn't they be wise to maybe build some more MK IIs themselves? Then again - the real problem is with their pilots, not their MSes....I mean, AEUG have Char, Amuro and Kamile - all Newtypes, and two of whom are veterans of the OYW. The Titans just don't have anybody who can match them - Jarid being the prime example of a pilot who just never ever is effective - to the point where it's almost sad to watch him being ambitious... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 There are a couple of reasons. first of all, the Mk II was a prototype not meant for actual combat. Its main purpose was to test the movable frame 360° cockpit. Second, therr were only 3 produced. The AEUG initilly stole 2, dismantlig one for research. Forgot what happened to the third but I think Kamilles father abandoned it so he could steal Quatro's Rick Dias. or perhaps it was taken out during the initial theft. Lastly, the Mk II was not top of the line. It wasn't much more than a suped up RX-78. The Titans already had new superior models like the Byalant, Ashimar, and just about anything Jerid pilofed post Hizack. Anneheim used it a bit in their Zeta project MS, but most of those also outperformed the Mk II. If anything, I think the Mk II wound up being the basis for developing the Nemo. or rather, the Nemo was its GM. IIRC, AEUG stole all three. Unit 3 was repainted into the white AEUG colors and used by Kamille until the Zeta Gundam is introduced, while unit 1 shipped off to Von Braun city to be dismantaled by AE. Unit 2 was damaged during the mission, and was retained by the crew of the Argama as spare parts to keep unit 3 going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If anything, I think the Mk II wound up being the basis for developing the Nemo. or rather, the Nemo was its GM. Let's not forget that the Titans Barzam suit is also based on the Mk II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 So, I'm now watching ZZ Gundam and I've got to say it's not at all "silly" or radically different from Zeta Gundam - except in a good way: namely the plot is slower moving, more focused on the characters, there seems to be less of a constant mecha battle feel... I like this... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 So, I'm now watching ZZ Gundam and I've got to say it's not at all "silly" or radically different from Zeta Gundam - except in a good way: namely the plot is slower moving, more focused on the characters, there seems to be less of a constant mecha battle feel... I like this... Pete ZZ is actually great after the whole "I don't know how to close the cockpit" silliness ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slaginpit Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbEUdL25Vw&list=PLFD6625B14B5695B1&index=1&feature=plpp_video he has a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 Those bad memories of Gundam Seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps99042 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Those bad memories of Gundam Seed. I still think Seed itself was cool. Seed Destiny though? That should be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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