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These models are a good representation. Apollo Leader. Purple Leader. Basically the color schemes are identical in execution to the standard ones but in different colors. In fact, there are six selectable colors in the game with Purple and Gray being the default player colors for Purple and Apollo squadron respectively. The others are carmine, orange, indigo, and brown. The brown is just the standard brown like on a VF-1A.

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The following is a list of mecha that are certain to be in the next update:

VAB-2D Fighter-Bomber

VA-3M Invader VF-X Ravens

VA-3C Invader

VA-3C Invader Custom

VF-1A Valkyrie VF-X Ravens

VF-1S Super Valkyrie VF-X Ravens

VF-11C Thunderbolt Space/Atmosphere Super

VF-17D Nightmare VF-X Ravens

VF-17D Nightmare Cyan

VF-19A Excalibur VF-X Ravens

VF-19F Excalibur

VF-19S Excalibur

VF-19S Excalibur Test Flight

VF-19S Excalibur Super

VF-5000B Star Mirage

VF-5000G Star Mirage

VF-5000G Star Mirage Custom

VF-5000T-G Star Mirage

VF-22S Sturmvogel II

VF-22S Sturmvogel II VF-X Ravens

Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Class Fleet Command Battleship

Bolognese Zentradi Class Stealth Frigate

This second list includes mecha I want to be in the next update:

VF-14 Vampire (Macross 7 Plus Version)

VF-14 Vampire (Macross M3 Version)

Grahams Armor Suit

Rex Gang Motorcycles

Queadluun-Quilqua

Macross 5

Macross 13

QF-2001 Ghost

Hollywood Class Amusement Ship

Mark Twain Class Resort Ship

Einstien Class Research Experimental Ship

Three Star Factory Ship

Sunny Flower Agricultural Ship

West Point Class Macro-Training Base Ship

March, you get all that done and the only reason I'll have to go to mahq.net anymore is for the Gundam stuff. ;)

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Also is appears This book has color images of the machines in the game. You may notice the yellow colored Glaug which is the standard Glaug that appears in the game. Apparently the red one Kamjin uses is some kind of custom colors.

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AC

Those seem simple enough to do. As you say, I'm not noticing any changes in the color layout, aside from the insignia, which sadly I wouldn't be able to include. Other than that, I don't see any reason why these variants couldn't be included. Since I'm just going off description for the other four colors, I'll make up some demos and post them for your opinion.

mike

Oh, the MAHQ will likely always have more Macross content than the M3. But I'm confident my site sells itself with the presentation of the content it does have :)

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I'm considering doing a playthrough video of VFX-2 when I have the time, if I can manage to actually finish the last stage on Maniac this time. XD Only downside is that I won't be able to show the ending due to freezing issues... >_><_<

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Screen shots would definitely be an asset. I'd appreciate any help.

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Mr March,

I was cruising through your awesome site today and noticed a few things.

1. The DYRL VF-1S has red triangle instead of yellow.

2. Are there anymore pics of the hangar bays? Maybe a pic that shows the exact location of the areas? I remember seeing about 3 of 4 different lineart pics somewhere.

3. Are there any pics of the launch arm?

Keep up the fantastic work.

NB4M B))

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nightmareB4macross

1. I never noticed this one. You're refering to the red triangles on the shoulders, yes? I'll make a note and get it changed. That's an easy fix :)

2. There may be, but I likely won't include it at this point. I prefer the focus of the site remain on the colored line art.

3. There is a piece of line art in the VF-1A "Super" Valkyrie entry showing the launch arm. Here's a direct link: VA-1A Super Valkyrie upon launch arm

Make sure to keep visiting! :)

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Oh, the MAHQ will likely always have more Macross content than the M3. But I'm confident my site sells itself with the presentation of the content it does have :)

Actually, I don't see that in the future. Yours is more detailed now in the areas you gone through. You presentation of the data exceed theirs, even better than the series that they put the most effort in, which is Gundam.

Mind you, they will only be ahead of you in terms of the latest mecha. I forsee them getting specs on the VF-25 first though. Unless Egan Loo beats them out on the compendium, and you can work off that.

BTW, very minor point:

The goal of the Macross Mecha Manual is to present the mecha of Macross in

the best possible quality artwork and hopefully offer fans insight into the

remarkable machines found in the various Macross anime shows. In addition,

the Manual will also provide some size comparison pictures, featured mecha

of the month and the odd, rarely-seen drawing that is sure to please fans.

We will also have a bit of fun too, with some subtle tongue-in-cheek humor

and the occasional humorous picture, cause we can�t take ourselves all that

seriously.

From the front page, look at the difference:

The goal of the Macross Mecha Manual is to present the mecha of Macross in

the best possible quality artwork and hopefully offer fans insight into the

remarkable machines found in the various Macross anime shows. In addition,

the Manual will also provide some size comparison pictures, featured mecha

of the month and the odd, rarely-seen drawing that is sure to please fans.

We will also have a bit of fun too, with some subtle tongue-in-cheek humor

and the occasional humorous picture, cause we cant take ourselves all that

seriously.

Edited by kensei

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Thank you for saying so, kensei :wub:

To be fair, the MAHQ has a huge mandate. The website covers a lot of mecha from numerous shows like Macross, Patlabor, and many more. Plus, their main love is Gundam, as you say. So they have much more work to do and can't put the same level of detail into just Macross, or even their flagship mecha section for Gundam. ChrisG can only do so much, just like me. Nonetheless, I think the Macross Mecha Manual and MAHQ both serve good functions. The MAHQ serves as an all-encompasing visual encyclopedia that has an entry for almost everything. The M3 is an expanded fansite that embellishes upon the basic framework of the old Mecha Domain in great detail and the best quality art possible. I think of both as complementary. Even if some duplication does occur, the spread of Macross mecha information is the primary concern.

Like I always say, we need more Macross websites, not less. :)

The limitation to quality line art will be the big stumbling block for Macross Frontier and the new mecha like the VF-25, just as it is for the Macross Zero section. However, I'm not going to miss the boat on this one. I'm going to obtain the new japanese magazines and do my own scans to include Macross Frontier vehicles on the M3. At least, as much as they publish. I will have to rely upon Egan for translations.

I've looked at the paragraph you posted and noticed the little character error. Not sure what that is, but I'll have to fix it. Thanks for letting me know.

Actually, it may be appropriate the update the introduction. The original 6 month mandate of the M3 has long since been acheived and the website has continued beyond my original plans. I should reflect that in the written introduction.

Edited by Mr March

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wow! great website! very, very comprehensive. if it gets any bigger you may have to do thumbnails so people can more easily find what they're looking for.

just a question on the FP micro-missiles: you indicated an estimated 24 micro-missiles (12 per FP) and i can see that you are basing this off the VF-1S xray poster that came with the gold book. the yamato 1/48's though feature 40 micro-missiles (20 per FP) and i don't know if the ClubM Ultimate Detail 1/48 also features the same number.

i know that lineart should settle the score, but the xray poster offers the possibility that some of the micro-missiles may have been obscured, though that seems unlikely. would you know of any other lineart or official text that can validate either one?

thanks and keep up the great work!

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Yeah! Another fan :) A big "Master List" of all the mecha has been suggested and I think I'll likely implement that.

We had a big discussion about the FAST Pack missile count when my website came out I think and it was very constructive. There are no official numbers for the missile count of which I'm aware and the cross-sectional line art is the only guide I've ever seen that comes close. Officially, the count could be as much as 40 micro-missiles or as few as 16 missiles.

However, I strongly believe that the correct count is 24 missiles. Why? Allow me to explain my case.

Aside from the cross-sectional line art, the only benchmark we can use is the events in the anime itself. We know that when Hikaru launched in the "Booby Duck" in Episode 24, he rescued Max and Misa by destroying 30 Reguld Battle Pods himself. If he fired every missile in the FAST Pack set (all 24 in the two HMMP-02 dorsal pods and 6 missiles in the two NP-AR-01 underarm pods) he'd have just enough to destroy every Reguld with a single all-out fusillade as was shown in the anime. I believe the numbers are very significant. Most of the time, specific unit counts are not given in SDF Macross battles. Numbers are usually only given when there is a reason (often to establish proportional size of the forces and give the audience a sense of scale). In Episode 24, they specifically state there are 60 Reguld Battle Pods, exactly half of which Max and his flight destroy on their own. Thus I believe this number was not arbitrary, but was chosen so that the audience would know exactly how many missiles were inside a fully armed VF-1S Super Valkyrie without having to be told through exposition (like a conversation) outside of the action. And more importantly, the cross-sectional diagram of the FAST Packs clearly suggests 24 micro-missiles which added to the six in the arm parts, agrees with the events of the anime perfectly.

Of course, this is all just a lot of fact checking and educated guessing. It might be totally wrong :) But based on the best information available to ME, this makes the most sense :)

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yeah, i'm with you. i think 24 is the correct count.

the explanation you provided makes a very interesting anecdote. might be worth putting up in the "notes" section on fastpacks.

plus it should be easier to scratchbuild in 1/60 ^_^

for reference, here's an alternative source which pegs it at 40:

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/fastpacks.shtml

i seem to recall it from the Robotech RPG Manual i had when i was a kid. that was before i was "enlightened" to the true macross series, so please don't stone me for mentioning the "R" word :unsure:

can't help but wonder though what made yamato do 40, and if graham ever asked them or wrote anything on that.

edit:

hey, i just realized it debuted in episode 24. could that be another hidden sign?! lol

Edited by Major Focker

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No worries, Major Focker. We all know Robotech sucks, so we can use the word with impunity :):lol:

Seriously, the RPG stats are something I've worked very hard to avoid. Most of them are incorrect. Some truth may be found in bits and pieces of the game statistics, but as a rule it's best to ignore them entirely if one wants to get it right more often than not. Im unsure why the Yamato product does 40, but there is always the possibility they know better.

I doubt the episode numer "24" is signifcant in any way. It's likely just coincidence.

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Problem RPG Stats is that it is hard to determine fact from fiction. RPG stats might contain accurate speed for a lesser known VF in fighter mode. If the author can't find that speeds for the other mode. They'll make it up. For RPG stats that is fine. Then someone might come around and start repeating those estimates as fact. RPGs stats are fine in one world only. Games.

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New address! Please change your bookmarks/favorites!

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/m3.html

February 13, 2008

MAJOR UPDATE!

Macross Mecha Manual Version 2.0 (Our One-Year Anniversary!)

It's 2008 and the Macross Mecha Manual celebrates it's first birthday! It's been a lot of work and I want to thank all the fans for visiting and supporting this website (including patiently enduring the recent server switch which had us down for a while). Today the Macross Mecha Manual not only features an update with 50 new profiles but also a website-wide revision making this one of the most important updates in the M3's history. Without a doubt, 2008 is going to be a big year for Macross as the newest animated television series in the franchise, Macross Frontier, begins airing in Japan in April. This past December fans were treated to a special promotional release of the first episode of Macross Frontier and the reviews have been largely positive from the fans and the larger anime community. It's an exciting time for Macross and I hope this website helps fans world wide enjoy the newest jewel of this long time science fiction franchise!

This update also adds Information Headers to all sections of the website. The headers feature production information and relevant trivia for each Macross anime. These headers will help website navigation as well as provide fans and non-fans alike with relevant reference points for properly placing each vehicle within the larger Macross continuity.

The new Macross production titled Macross Frontier now has a very rudimentary section on the Macross Mecha Manual. It is my hope that line art for Macross Frontier is made available much faster and in a more comprehensive book than that which was published for Macross Zero.

Macross World forum member Dante74 has created Custom Banners for each section of the website as well as new Navigation Buttons. I am extremely pleased to present his work and hope that these new additions make the website even more enjoyable for our visitors. Lastly, the for fans only section debuts which contains fan-made line art, custom color schemes, variant squadron colors, wallpapers, line art comparison pictures and other miscellaneous goodies. Due to visitor feedback, I've simplified the website by relocating Features and Humor (along with the sub-sections) into the new for fans only section.

Refer to the list below for all the new profiles in this update.

Macross Zero Section

QF-2001 Ghost

Macross Plus Section

VA-3 Invader

VF-5000B Star Mirage

Macross 7 Section

Bolognese Class Stealth Frigate (Zentradi Variant)

Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis Class Stealth Fleet Command Battleship

New Macross Class Colonization Ship (Macross 5)

Queadluun-Quilqua

VAB-2 Variable Fighter-Bomber

VA-3C Invader

VA-3C Invader Custom

VF-1A Valkyrie Whale Hunter Custom

VF-11C Thunderbolt Super (Atmosphere)

VF-11C Thunderbolt Super "Radome"

VF-14 Vampire (Macross 7 P*L*U*S Version)

VF-17D "Teal"

VF-19F Excalibur

VF-19P Excalibur

VF-19S Excalibur

VF-19S Excalibur "Test Flight"

VF-19S Excalibur Super Booster

VF-22 Sturmvogel II

VF-22S "Gamlin"

VF-22S "Max"

VF-22S "Milia"

VF-5000G Star Mirage

VF-5000G Star Mirage Speaker Variant

VF-5000G Star Mirage Super Booster

VF-5000G Star Mirage Super Booster Speaker Variant

VF-5000T-G Star Mirage

VT-1C Commercial Valkyrie

VT-1C Commercial Valkyrie "Holly" Custom

Macross Frontier Section

Vajra (Small Type)

Vajra (Large Type)

VF-25 Variable Fighter "Ozuma" Type

VF-25 Variable Fighter "Alto" Type

VF-25 Variable Fighter Armored

VB-6 Konig Monster (2059)

VF-171

Queadluun-Rau (2059)

Macross Game and Advanced Valkyrie Section

New Macross Class Colonization Ship (Macross 13)

Saratoga (CV-565) Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier

VA-3M Invader

VF-1X Plus Valkyrie

VF-1X Plus "Super" Valkyrie

VF-17D "VF-X Ravens"

VF-19A Excalibur

VF-22 "VF-X Ravens"

VF-5000B Star Mirage "VF-X Ravens"

VF-5000B Star Mirage (Macross Plus Version)

VF-5000B Star Mirage (Macross M3 Version)

Additions/Corrections

Complete revision of the directory names for all mecha sections to simplify the HTML code and avoid unecessary web characters

Added new Custom Banners to all the mecha sections

Added more entries to the Macropedia section

Added production information headers to each mecha section and information headers to all other sections

Line Art Update YF-19 Heavy Weapon Cluster (Color)

Line Art Update Varauta Vanguard Frigate (Color)

Line Art Update YF-21 Battroid (Color), Fighter (Color) and GERWALK (Color)

Line Art Update YF-21 FAST Pack Battroid (Color) and Fighter (Color)

Line Art Update YF-21 Fold Booster (Color)

Line Art Update YF-19 Prototype No. 1 Battroid (Color), GERWALK (Color), Fighter (Color)

Line Art Added Varauta High Speed Raiding Space Cruiser (Grey Color)

Line Art Added VF-11C Protect Armor - Armor Ejected retaining Boosters and Shield (Color)

Line Art Added VF-17S Nightmare Gun Pod with Beam Adapter (Color)

Line Art Added to Pimp My Valkyrie VF-1A Mobile Suit Valkyrie (fan submissions)

Corrected debut and added small written description for VF-11MAXL Custom Sound and Fold Booster

Corrected Other Appearances for ALL Sound Force vehicles

Corrected Zentradi "Enemy" Battle Suit with official statistics for the dimensions and mass

Corrected all artist credits for the destroids in SDF Macross section

Corrected VF-1J Milia Macross 7 GERWALK and Battroid (Color) with black hand manipulators

Corrected VF-1S (DYRL Version) Battroid (Color) with yellow shoulder triangles

Revised VF-11B Super and VF-11C Super Macross 7 Fleet entries with accurate Super Part missile launcher counts (8 versus 4)

Revised VF-11C Protect Armor removing the VF-11B variant (now placed in for fans only section) and added color coding to the profile

Revised Queadluun-Rau description

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The link to your page doesn't seem to be working Mr March!

Works fine for me.

Great work on the M3 v2.0 there mr. March! Looking forward to seeing all the new stuff you've done wen I get home tonight.

Shouldn't the "main page" button in the navigation bar link to the index page instead of the splash page? :huh:

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Holy shite........Macross heaven! Good work! Excellent presentation!

Your tech specs and background were always good. But the presentation I love this time, It's nice to see it keep evolving.

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Macross007

I'll take that as a very positive response :)

Kurisama

Make sure you're using the newest address. We recently switched servers and are now at the new address for the M3. Let me know if you're still having problems.

Dante74

Thank you, sir. Your work has made my site all the better and I can't thank you enough.

As for the main page navigation link, I'm not sure it's much of an issue. Besides, the splash page has to get some love :)

kensei

Thanks for visiting.

The presentation really needed to be improved and I can't imagine it any better than it is now. It feels more like a real website :)

Zinjidders

Glad you like it. I hope you get a chance to go over everything new.

Edited by Mr March

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Dante74

Thank you, sir. Your work has made my site all the better and I can't thank you enough.

As for the main page navigation link, I'm not sure it's much of an issue. Besides, the splash page has to get some love :)

It was my pleasure, I thoroughly enjoyed working with you.

We're not done yet though, I still see some things that could use some fine tuning. I'll PM ya later.

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Wow, incredible presentation!!!

Definitely one of the best Macross sites ^_^

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Nice, dilligent work Mr March. Lots of mecha to keep up with in the Macross franchise.

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Holy cow! Talk about a wealth of info! As always Mr. March, you never dissapoint. ^_^

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Ok - all good now Mr march, and I must say - it looks AWESOME! Congrats on a job well done! :D :D :D

Having a look thru now...

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Dante74

Hehehe, I think I know exactly what you're referring to :)

Ignacio Ocamica

Aw, thank you IO :wub:

Warmaker

I'm glad there's some good Macross Frontier pictures floating on the net. They make pretty good pictures for profiles.

Flaming Guantlet

Yeah, this was a big update. I'm sure it makes up for the small amount of down time :)

Kurisama

Oh good. I was worried there might be some problems. Enjoy the content!

1/1 LowViz Lurker

Glad you're enjoying the site. The variable glaug hasn't been included as yet. Only so much little old me can do.

Edited by Mr March

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Man great work on the new site layout. I love it. Cheers to you and the hard work put into this.

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Good job Mr.March, I shall bookmark your webpage and put it on the Macross shrine with pineapple salad offering on top of it.

Do you have any plan to include the Macross 2 mecha into it?

Edited by Morpheus

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Lonewolf

Howdy stranger! :) I'm glad you had some time to check out the site.

Morpheus

I have nothing against including Macross II on the M3, it's just the lowest priority of the franchise. I also have no access to Macross II line art and I don't think briscojr84 does anymore either. I'm also very unfamiliar with Macross II. I saw it only once or twice years years ago and didn't like it (thus I don't own it). The near total lack of official statistics for the MII mecha also makes building profiles very hard. It's likely worth doing a proper profile for the VF-2SS (especially because of fan interest). I might do a rudimentary section that just features one b&w drawing of each Macross II mecha and very short profiles, like the VEFR-1 profile but without the stats or text. There's just so little to work with; I think Kawamori put more thought into the official mecha statistics of the Flashback 2012 music video than the creators of Macross II gave for their whole anime :(

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Hey Mr March, I'm not sure if you are eager to add another entry to the Macross VF-X listing but the VF-1X in that game is identical to Hikaru's VF-1A with and without the FAST packs.

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Lonewolf

Howdy stranger! :) I'm glad you had some time to check out the site.

Morpheus

I have nothing against including Macross II on the M3, it's just the lowest priority of the franchise. I also have no access to Macross II line art and I don't think briscojr84 does anymore either. I'm also very unfamiliar with Macross II. I saw it only once or twice years years ago and didn't like it (thus I don't own it). The near total lack of official statistics for the MII mecha also makes building profiles very hard. It's likely worth doing a proper profile for the VF-2SS (especially because of fan interest). I might do a rudimentary section that just features one b&w drawing of each Macross II mecha and very short profiles, like the VEFR-1 profile but without the stats or text. There's just so little to work with; I think Kawamori put more thought into the official mecha statistics of the Flashback 2012 music video than the creators of Macross II gave for their whole anime :(

Actually I have both all of the RPG books and the main artbook, although it doesn't have everything unfortunately. And I have MII on DVD, so I can snag some screenshots.

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I've got the artbooks and I still owe Marchymarch several Mac 7 scans that I haven't forgotten about... :rolleyes:

Sorry brother, real life can be b*tch sometimes... <_< But at first opportunity I'll get them to ya...

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