SDF-02 Megaload is differ from

[Zinjo]

though the original organic look of Harmful Goblin's STD-3 comes from the Paladian books, correct?

Incorrect, next contestant please pick a category...

It was a design taken from the Sentinels line art for that defunct series. The idea was to make the SDF-3 look like a Zentreadi ship to fool the other guys...

funny... Homotech themselves hit the Retcon button. I wish someone dry humped the button so we can get a macross SDF recon brought to the US finally, without any legal dogs following the feces droppings... :/

Well actually they've distanced themselves from BigWest owned designs, even to the point of disguising the Spacy kite into their "REF" insignias.

What has puzzled me was why the SDF designation would be attached to Megaroad colony ships when it was initially an acronym for "Super Dimension Fortress". The Global is obviously an SDF design, yet that registry designation has gone to the Megaroads. Either the Megaroads were accompanied by SDF battleships like the NMC city ships or the Megaroads were equipped with macross cannons or heavy armaments to make them essentially a populated fortress.

Outside of the universe I can understand moving away from SDF designations for warships since HG hijacked the term for their "Super Dimensional Fortresses" and BW would not want any confusion between the two. Hence the re-classification as "Macross" class vessels.

I am hopeful some explanation will come from the Chronicle as to what the SDF designation for the Megaroads has actually come to mean, if indeed the colony ship is what's being described.

[RF-26AAC]

agreed. didn't even want to mention it anymore coz it makes my blood boil. to see them huddled like that makes me cringe. and tear my eyes out in anger and disgust. it's a wonder i can still type (must have memorized the keyboard a tad to well).

EDIT: Now we know where RF26-AAC got his memories of the bridge bunny massacre from...

Hey, I resemble that remark!

I'm surprised somebody actually remembered my name and my silly ideas.

Thanks again to the guys at MW for setting me straight.

Thanks to MW, I've gotten the REAL ending to the Mac Saga.

[anime52k8]

The appearance of the SDF-2 in the lake doesn't bother me HALF as much as the Bridge Bunny Massacre...

EDIT: Crap. "bother," not "both." Oh well, seems like everyone understood what I meant...

and that doesn't bother me half as much as how pointlessly pissed off about robotech people still are.

also, I think that calling it the SDF-4 Global makes perfect sence. it could be that all Macross class ships wer given SDF-X designations, and the only reason the megaroad was still SDF-2 was because it was originaly going to be a battlefortress thingy and not a colony ship.

or maybe the megaroad ships and the regular macross ships shared the same designation system.

Or maybe when SK and Co. made FB2012, they had no intention of going back to macross so they didn't care what it was called and named it SDF-2, never realizing that someday a bunch of guy's on a web forum would be debating this.

[dreamweaver13]

and that doesn't bother me half as much as how pointlessly pissed off about robotech people still are.

and THAT doesn't bother me a miniscule as much as the fact that some people aren't.

or that some people would dismiss my dismay as "pointless". that may be your perspective, dear sir, and i completely disagree, but i will stop short of ever calling it a "pointless" perspective.

[dreamweaver13]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

I'm surprised somebody actually remembered my name and my silly ideas.

Thanks again to the guys at MW for setting me straight.

Thanks to MW, I've gotten the REAL ending to the Mac Saga.

how could i forget, you were so convinced that you saw it animated or printed in some way. turns out, it was (the horror!!).

[sketchley]

What's really got me scratching my head, in regards to this, is in Macross Chronicle:

On the SDF:M Space Destroyer page: both "Warship SDF-1 Macross (1 ship)" AND "Warship SDF-2 Megaroad (1 ship)" (this being the SDF-2 image)

On the DYRL SDF-1 page: SDF-1 followed by SDF-2 (the Megaroad Colony Ship).

Are the publishers of Macross Chronicle opting to seperate and distinguish the DYRL - FB2012 designs completely from the SDF:M cannon?

What's even more confusing is that on the Super Long Range Emmigration Colony Fleet page, there is talk about the SDF-1 (not SDF-2 design) being mass produced (or was it copied a lot?) and used as emmigration ships, especially for Short Range Emmigration Colony Fleets and exploration missions! (More on that later, once I completely finish the translation. Check the Macross Chronicles page for info, in the near future.)

and that doesn't bother me half as much as how pointlessly pissed off about robotech people still are.

also, I think that calling it the SDF-4 Global makes perfect sence. it could be that all Macross class ships wer given SDF-X designations, and the only reason the megaroad was still SDF-2 was because it was originaly going to be a battlefortress thingy and not a colony ship.

or maybe the megaroad ships and the regular macross ships shared the same designation system.

Or maybe when SK and Co. made FB2012, they had no intention of going back to macross so they didn't care what it was called and named it SDF-2, never realizing that someday a bunch of guy's on a web forum would be debating this.

[RedWolf]

From what I understand there are two Macross continuities.

The Shoji Kawamori/Studio Nue continuity and the DYRL-Macross II continuity.

Cannon timeline

Macross Zero/SDF Macross/Macross Flashback/Macross M3/Macross 7/Macross Generation/Macross VFX/Macross VFX-2/Macross Frontier (DYRL being a metafictional movie)

Not Cannon timeline

DYRL/Macross Flashback/Macross 2036/Macross Eternal Love Song/Macross II

Megaroad 1 leaving in both continuities occur.

Edited September 23, 2008 by RedWolf

[sketchley]

I was just glancing at Theatrical Macross Special Preview (in regards to another thread), and I noticed the name of this guy:

Macross 2 Warship "Megaroad"

Interesting, because Perfect Memory refers to it as: SDF-2 Megalord. (Note English in right side of the upper image)

As MP is printed 1983.10, and Theatrical Macross Special Preview was 1984.07, does this mean that it is called "Macross 2"?

Edited September 23, 2008 by sketchley

[Bri]

Could it be that the SDF designation is a mission name like STS for the space shuttle missions? For example SDF-4 would have been the name for the third Megaload class mission and Macross Frontier is SDF-25.

Macross is a both a class name and a ship type. The ship type is a transformable battleship (like Macross Quarter is still a Macross type ship) but if a colony vessel is attached to a transformable battleship it shares the Macross classification (hence Macross 7). This is a bit confusing but its similar to the HMS Dreadnought which was the lead ship of the Dreadnought class. Other battleships of different classes would still be called dreadnoughts even if they weren't Dreadnought class ships.

In this case the Global is a Macross type ship of the Macross class. Battle Frontier and Battle Seven are Macross type ships but of a different class (New Macross Class carrier).

Edit: updated with Redwolfs info

Edited September 23, 2008 by Bri

[RedWolf]

FYI Battle sections are called New Macross Class carrier.

[Gubaba]

What's really got me scratching my head, in regards to this, is in Macross Chronicle:

On the SDF:M Space Destroyer page: both "Warship SDF-1 Macross (1 ship)" AND "Warship SDF-2 Megaroad (1 ship)" (this being the SDF-2 image)

On the DYRL SDF-1 page: SDF-1 followed by SDF-2 (the Megaroad Colony Ship).

Are the publishers of Macross Chronicle opting to seperate and distinguish the DYRL - FB2012 designs completely from the SDF:M cannon?

Not entirely. The Oberth Space Destroyer page shows the U.N. Space Forces as they were in 2009. At that time, the SDF-2 was the Megalord battleship form they show. Later, it was turned into the Megaroad-01 colonization ship. (But how Japanese fans - the target base, no? - are supposed to keep this clear, since "Megaroad" and "Megalord" are spelled the same in Japanese is a mystery that faileth my understanding...).

But perhaps in DYRL, there was no surviving Moon Base and there was no Megalord. Which would be why they show the DYRL Macross going straight on to the Megaroad-01. Maybe.

[Duke Togo]

also, I think that calling it the SDF-4 Global makes perfect sence.

No, but thanks for playing.

So, according to what Sketch is reading, the Macross Class vessels were being used for short range and exploration fleets, while the Megaroads were long range vessels.

[RedWolf]

(But how Japanese fans - the target base, no? - are supposed to keep this clear, since "Megaroad" and "Megalord" are spelled the same in Japanese is a mystery that faileth my understanding...).

Two words... Dairy Life

One thing is for sure Macross Flashback occured in both Macross universes.

Macross II being the ultimate descendant of DYRL.

DYRL in universe movie has some differences to the DYRL we know since we saw Max and Millia dogfight in atmosphere and DYRL costume marriage. (Why the heck is Max wearing a girl's dress?)

Not to mention treaty footage with Vrlitwhai and Exsedol with Max and Millia colors VF-1J Valkyries making a strategy.

[azrael]

What's really got me scratching my head, in regards to this, is in Macross Chronicle:

On the SDF:M Space Destroyer page: both "Warship SDF-1 Macross (1 ship)" AND "Warship SDF-2 Megaroad (1 ship)" (this being the SDF-2 image)

On the DYRL SDF-1 page: SDF-1 followed by SDF-2 (the Megaroad Colony Ship).

Are the publishers of Macross Chronicle opting to seperate and distinguish the DYRL - FB2012 designs completely from the SDF:M cannon?

...

Which volume was that in? I might take another look at that later.

[sketchley]

I've already taken them out...

By page number (bottom left or right):

The destroyer is 03-06 (issue 3 page 6?)

the SDF-1 is 02-02

[azrael]

What's even more confusing is that on the Super Long Range Emmigration Colony Fleet page, there is talk about the SDF-1 (not SDF-2 design) being mass produced (or was it copied a lot?) and used as emmigration ships, especially for Short Range Emmigration Colony Fleets and exploration missions! (More on that later, once I completely finish the translation. Check the Macross Chronicles page for info, in the near future.)

I glanced at it quickly when I originally looked at it, but sketchley's right. It does mention this. It sounds like the mass-produced SDF-1s were part of the surveyor fleets if I'm reading (and summarizing) the text correctly.

[Sulendil Ang]

Well, I suspect this recent addition of the information maybe due to the need to explain ships like Global, which definitely build using SDF-1's design. Perhaps only Megaroad are used as Long Distance Colonization Fleet, but ships like Global are used as science vassal/ short distance colonization?

[Duke Togo]

I glanced at it quickly when I originally looked at it, but sketchley's right. It does mention this. It sounds like the mass-produced SDF-1s were part of the surveyor fleets if I'm reading (and summarizing) the text correctly.

Well, it certainly helps things a bit. Its far less of as retcon and really just more of an addition. I'd like to see some final clarification on the whole "Macross-04" issue pertaining to the Global, though.

[sketchley]

ah, but who's to say that it was a retcon? From my experience, English speaking Macross fans have focused on the Super Long Range Emmigration Fleets, and have ignored the short range emmigration fleets, despite information on them being readily available in the timeline on the Compendium. A short range emmigration fleet discovered Eden after all, and that's not a retcon.

Well, it certainly helps things a bit. Its far less of as retcon and really just more of an addition. I'd like to see some final clarification on the whole "Macross-04" issue pertaining to the Global, though.

[Duke Togo]

ah, but who's to say that it was a retcon? From my experience, English speaking Macross fans have focused on the Super Long Range Emmigration Fleets, and have ignored the short range emmigration fleets, despite information on them being readily available in the timeline on the Compendium. A short range emmigration fleet discovered Eden after all, and that's not a retcon.

Well, the opening sequence shows one of the Megaroad fleets founding the Eden colony, but the one they show I don't believe was even launched by the date given. It was all sorts of screwy. Then there was the "WTF, SDF-4 Global? The Megroad-03 is the SDF-4!" thing going on. Lack of clarification FTL.

[Mr March]

This is very interesting, but I'm confused regarding the apparent desire to do away with the SDF-prefix. Why wouldn't the 04 Global be called SDF even though it is in fact an SDF Class ship?

[Duke Togo]

This is very interesting, but I'm confused regarding the apparent desire to do away with the SDF-prefix. Why wouldn't the 04 Global be called SDF even though it is in fact an SDF Class ship?

Its a Macross Class ship, and the Global isn't the SDF-4 because the Megaroad-03 is the SDF-4. Unless you think there are two SDF-4's.

[Sumdumgai]

Waiting on clarification of SDF-4 Global or if it's another designation, just like the wait to discover what the WTF-1 was going to be. At least Macross Chronicles may fill in a lot of blanks.

[Duke Togo]

Waiting on clarification of SDF-4 Global or if it's another designation, just like the wait to discover what the WTF-1 was going to be. At least Macross Chronicles may fill in a lot of blanks.

Well, until we see otherwise, the Global is not the SDF-4, the Megaroad-03 is. What the Compendium lists is still canon.

Judging by the dialog, I am going to assume the Global is the Macross-04.

[Mr March]

So the Megaroads stole away the Class designation from the SDF-1 Macross, so even if there were more SDF Macross vessels, they cannot be named "SDF"? I'm completely lost. I'll go with the Compendium if that's what it says, but that isn't making any sense at all

Edited September 24, 2008 by Mr March

[dreamweaver13]

So the Megaroads stole away the Class designation from the SDF-1 Macross, so even if there were more SDF Macross vessels, they cannot be named "SDF"? I'm completely lost. I'll go with the Compendium if that's what it says, but that isn't making any sense at all

maybe they limited the SDF (Super Dimension Fortress) designation to ships meant for grand colonization or attack purposes. but they didn't give it to a ship designed to escort a research fleet, regardless of the fact that it is an old macross-class ship.

in other words, maybe it's the purpose of the ship that determines whether or not it will get an SDF designation, not the class of the vessel.

[Duke Togo]

So the Megaroads stole away the Class designation from the SDF-1 Macross, so even if there were more SDF Macross vessels, they cannot be named "SDF"? I'm completely lost. I'll go with the Compendium if that's what it says, but that isn't making any sense at all

SDF is a designation, not a class. The Macross itself is the first "Macross Class" vessel.

[Morpheus]

SDF class is taken by Megaroad, the Macross class is a transformable warship class, New Macross Carrier and Macross Quater line are following this designation.

[sketchley]

SDF-1 is a Macross class vessel. There are more of this class of vessels produced.

SDF is a designation - super dimension fortress, which at first appears to have switched with a battleship/gunship, but has really stayed with emmigration ships, until the SDF was retired when the New Macross Class Super Long Range Colony Ships were introduced.

Make sense?

[Mr March]

SDF is a designation, not a class. The Macross itself is the first "Macross Class" vessel.

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

[azrael]

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

The use of "Macross class" has been there for a while. http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...ross/index.html

[David Hingtgen]

Real-world current example:

US Navy carriers. They get their hull numbers by order built, regardless of class/type.

CV-63, Kitty Hawk, Kitty Hawk class.

CV-64, Constellation, Kitty Hawk class.

CVN-65, Enterprise, Enterprise class.

CV-66, America, Kitty Hawk class.

CV-67, JFK, Kitty Hawk class (modified, sometimes considered JFK class)

CVN-68, Nimitz, Nimitz class.

Now, there was serious consideration to building more JFK-type ships, as the Nimitz class cost so much. So we very well could have had say CV-69 JFK class, CVN-70 Nimitz class, CV-71 JFK, etc and have a very "jumbled" order of "class number vs hull number" nowadays.

The hull numbers go in order, regardless of how many of that CLASS exist. We've got the 1 and only Enterprise class right in the middle of all the Kitty Hawks. And even with different TYPES of carriers, the numbers go in order--CV, CVA, CVAN, and CVN. All use the same "group" of numbers.

So SDF-4 could easily mean the 4th "SDF type of ship" regardless of exact class. If there was a long period of building Megaroads, then they decided on a whim to build another copy of the Macross itself and call it Global, it may very well have been only the 4th Macross-class ship built, but have a number like SDF-15, if there were a bunch of Megaroads in a row built prior to making the Global (SDF-2 through 10, etc)

[yui1107]

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Edited September 24, 2008 by yui1107

[Mr March]

The use of "Macross class" has been there for a while. http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...ross/index.html

Yeah, it's also been listed as "Macross-Class" on my website for a long time too. Temporary brain loss I guess. I've changed the 04 Global from SDF to Macross for now. I'll err on the side of caution for now and see what the Chronicle says

The big "PNG" fomat images (1,200 pixel over)

I love you

Seriously, thank you for the high resolution pictures. I'll add it to the SDF-2 profile as soon as I can.

[Zinjo]

The sticking point is the designation "SDF", which is an acronym of Super Dimension "Fortress". Which really doesn't suit the role of an apparently lightly armed colony ship.

All subsequent ships are Macross class ships and I'd expect they be based on the SDF-2 Megalord plans which is still a Macross Class warship, albeit larger than the original.

Now Sketchly pointed out that

What's really got me scratching my head, in regards to this, is in Macross Chronicle:

On the SDF:M Space Destroyer page: both "Warship SDF-1 Macross (1 ship)" AND "Warship SDF-2 Megaroad (1 ship)" (this being the SDF-2 image)

On the DYRL SDF-1 page: SDF-1 followed by SDF-2 (the Megaroad Colony Ship).

Are the publishers of Macross Chronicle opting to seperate and distinguish the DYRL - FB2012 designs completely from the SDF:M cannon?

What's even more confusing is that on the Super Long Range Emmigration Colony Fleet page, there is talk about the SDF-1 (not SDF-2 design) being mass produced (or was it copied a lot?) and used as emmigration ships, especially for Short Range Emmigration Colony Fleets and exploration missions! (More on that later, once I completely finish the translation. Check the Macross Chronicles page for info, in the near future.)

SDF has referred to warships, however in DYRL it is a colony ship with no apparent weaponry.

Is it possible that the "actual" megaroad was a Macross Class SDF warship with areas segregated for colonists? The Macross could hold nearly 60,000 civilians and a ship 420m longer (as the SDF-2 was) could hold more.

Is the Megaroad 01 of DYRL fame only a movie fabrication and NOT the actual ship? Which bears the question, why did it appear in the prologue of episode 1? Granted the character designs from DYRL were also used with respect to the picture of Misa, Hikaru and Vritai.

Were there actually Megaroad colony ships that looked like the one shown in DYRL / Frontier that were accompanied by SDF warships of the Macross class?

I can see Sketchly's puzzlement!

It is also why I won't dismiss the idea that the SDF designation refers to a warship and not a colony ship.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Zinjo