Veritas Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I like it how it breaks the mold, but that's about it. Actually the more i look at it the more i think it's mistransformed a little or at least misposed (pretty common with the box shots). In all fairness it probably looks better than that when properly transformed/posed, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 It just seems... unecessary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Saw the teaser, it reminds of the first Terminator movie where the T-800 appears for the first time out from the fire. It could be the designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross73 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 That Aternator Ravage is kinda fugly i'm gonna have to pass on that one. too bad b/c i was looking forward to it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiriK Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Alt ravage doesn't look too bad to me.... way better than that Battle Ravage crap... that didn't make any sense but this has lots of G1 essence to it... Love the hip rockets!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Well wasn't this is the pipeline for some time? What about rumble? The prototypes for that was out since yonks ago as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) Well wasn't this is the pipeline for some time? What about rumble? The prototypes for that was out since yonks ago as well. Yeah it was, i'm just too lazy to look up when the prototype images came out though. Supposedly rumble and ravage are both being released next month. Speaking of new prototypes, TFW posted up auction images of a digital camera transformer and a cell phone transformer. http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=118769 Edited December 30, 2006 by Veritas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solscud007 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Alt ravage doesn't look too bad to me.... way better than that Battle Ravage crap... that didn't make any sense but this has lots of G1 essence to it... Love the hip rockets!!! that is why i swapped heads with a spare tracks. So i have Evil black Tracks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 that is why i swapped heads with a spare tracks. So i have Evil black Tracks!!!! Heh I was going to do that. Never could force myself to pick up a battle ravage though. *shudder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Alt Ravage is so boring to me I can't even muster up a negative comment. He's the biggest 'meh' I've ever seen. Classics Mirage is pure hand candy. I initially wasn't going to get him because the pictures didn't sell me on it, but when I read so many good reviews and eventually saw him in the store I had to get one. A couple weeks of 'can't put it down' playing later and he's by far my favorite Classics figure. I even like how he looks with the gun/stabilizer left in place as it sort of evens out the narrow waist. As for those gadgetformers, the phone, game and camera, those are my most anticipated TFs for 2007 so far. I'm eager to get some figures that break the vehicle mold and all three of these look great. One thing I'm going to do immediately if the scale is right is put Titanium Soundwave's head on the video game guy. The proportions and transformation are too similar for him to NOT be Soundwave. And since Titanium Soundwave is as smelly as the giant daiper that he sports, I wont mind butchering him and harvesting his parts. Edited December 31, 2006 by eriku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I just picked up the Classics Prime and I'm surprised how much I like it. heaps of fun to transform and super poseable. I actually like it a lot more than the MP starscream which I got at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Classics Mirage is pure hand candy. I initially wasn't going to get him because the pictures didn't sell me on it, but when I read so many good reviews and eventually saw him in the store I had to get one. A couple weeks of 'can't put it down' playing later and he's by far my favorite Classics figure. I even like how he looks with the gun/stabilizer left in place as it sort of evens out the narrow waist. As for those gadgetformers, the phone, game and camera, those are my most anticipated TFs for 2007 so far. I'm eager to get some figures that break the vehicle mold and all three of these look great. One thing I'm going to do immediately if the scale is right is put Titanium Soundwave's head on the video game guy. The proportions and transformation are too similar for him to NOT be Soundwave. And since Titanium Soundwave is as smelly as the giant daiper that he sports, I wont mind butchering him and harvesting his parts. Heh Classics Mirage is such a great figure i almost like him more than Alt. Mirage. Mirage was my favorite character in the original G1 and i'm super stoked they've released 2 excellent figures of him in the last year. I guess that makes up for the fact that we'll never see a G1 Mirage re-issue because the mold was lost. As for the gadgetformers i'm actually looking forward to them myself. If they really are toys from the upcoming movie, they'll probably be the only movie related merchandise i end up buying. I've yet to see Tit. Soundwave in stores... maybe because i wasn't looking for him in the first place, but your idea of swapping the head out isn't half bad. I still don't know if i can force myself to pick one up though. It was such a missed oppurtunity IMO. Tit. Rodimus though. Edited December 31, 2006 by Veritas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowyunskinny Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Man, that whole "Lost the Mold" thing is frustrating. I don't understand why Takara can't just find a used vintage piece and reverse engineer the thing. Isn't that what bootleggers do? Give us Mirage, Sunstreaker and Wheeljack already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerwalk25 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I looked on Tformers and found an interesting type of TF. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I looked on Tformers and found an interesting type of TF. Link it's from the movie. tfw2005.com has a bunch of pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerwalk25 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I checked that out on tfw2005 and didn't know there was a Gameboyformer also. Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 The first pictures of those were out a few months ago. Some people love them... I'm "meh" about them. Might pick them up. Who knows. I want to see more pictures of Blackout, damnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit For Natalie Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Is Ramjet in any way based on any real fighter? Man, that whole "Lost the Mold" thing is frustrating. I don't understand why Takara can't just find a used vintage piece and reverse engineer the thing. Isn't that what bootleggers do? Give us Mirage, Sunstreaker and Wheeljack already Cost, and level of quality for one thing. Bootleggers don't have quality standards. From what I understand, they make a mold off the parts of the vintage toy, then they need to tool it up for the sculpters to fix up the detail and make it acceptable for a production tooling, then they tool it back down and make the steel tooling. Costly. Plus, there's no guarantee anybody will actually buy Mirage, Sunstreaker or Wheeljack. Look at the reissues of toys nobody expected to be reissued, like Hound, Blaster, Astrotrain, Blitzwing and former collecting holy grail Stepper. They hung around for a VERY long time after release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Cost, and level of quality for one thing. Bootleggers don't have quality standards. And then there was the Jazz reissue, with the mangled twisted face. Hasbro doesn't always have quality standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowyunskinny Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 (edited) Is Ramjet in any way based on any real fighter? Cost, and level of quality for one thing. Bootleggers don't have quality standards. From what I understand, they make a mold off the parts of the vintage toy, then they need to tool it up for the sculpters to fix up the detail and make it acceptable for a production tooling, then they tool it back down and make the steel tooling. Costly. Plus, there's no guarantee anybody will actually buy Mirage, Sunstreaker or Wheeljack. Look at the reissues of toys nobody expected to be reissued, like Hound, Blaster, Astrotrain, Blitzwing and former collecting holy grail Stepper. They hung around for a VERY long time after release. While I see your point about it being very costly, I completely disagree about guaranteed sales. These are core G1 Autobot characters. They couldn't sell any worse than less nostalgic reissues like Battle Convoy, Star Convoy, or Pepsi Convoy. I think as long as Takara crunches the numbers with projected sales & limits the production run it could be profitable. Just limit the first run and if it sells out do a second run. And then they could milk it with E-Hobby repaints (Mirage in Red/Marlboor Wheeljack/Red Sunstreaker/Patrol Sunstreaker). Or they could reissue the VSZ or Good Bye Convoy sets. About Hound, Blaster, Astrotrain, Blitzwing & Stepper being shelfwarmers...By that point Takara has already sold through. It's the retailers that would be hesistant about ordering a big quantity, but hopefully they learned their lesson and would order less. Blitzwing, Astrotrain and Stepper and not as common now. They may have sat at first but they get sold eventually. Hound i'm chalking up to less popularity and Blaster was the most recent Collection reissue so.... Edited January 1, 2007 by chowyunskinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Rmajet's a fictional (and fairly fantastical) modification of an F-15, just like the original. If you're asking if the changes themselves are based on anything---nothing that I can think of. You can find some similarities to real plane parts for any of the 1986 seekers, but I think it'd be chance, not "inspired by". If you really want an answer, I'd call Ramjet an F-15XL, same as Mylene's VF-11MAXL--both from the F-16XL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119001 Movie SS's toy seems to be some weird YF-22, F/A-22 hybrid. With the v.stabs from the XFA-27. What happened there? The original design sketch was a YF-22, but I think the movie final design is a proper F/A-22. (Still waiting on my broadband connection, so I haven't seen the trailer yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 That is the sorriest looking, peice of..............! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119001 Movie SS's toy seems to be some weird YF-22, F/A-22 hybrid. With the v.stabs from the XFA-27. What happened there? The original design sketch was a YF-22, but I think the movie final design is a proper F/A-22. (Still waiting on my broadband connection, so I haven't seen the trailer yet) Whoa, can't say too much about the jet mode since you can point out all of it's faults alot more accurately than i can, but that robot mode is abosultely hideous. Why even call him starscream if he doesn't share any simliarties with the original character... other than the fact that he's a jet. Edited January 2, 2007 by Veritas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I'd say 60% of that jet mode is kibble from the ground up-yuck, it reminds me of Sky-Lynx... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yep, Screamer looks horrid. Ratchet on the other hand - I'm loving him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 IMO the bot modes are what do it for almost all of the classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yep, Screamer looks horrid. Ratchet on the other hand - I'm loving him. yeahl, ratchet looks pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I didn't feel any need to talk about Movie SS bot mode or jet kibble, we can all see/agree. But the fact that jet mode is fictional is a interesting point. Every other movie toy vehicle mode has been as accurate to the real thing as an Alternator. But SS is a jumble of parts---why? It wouldn't affect the transformation or robot mode appearance to have been either 100% YF-22 or F/A-22. It'd be like if the toy Bumblebee had a '97 Camaro RS's spoiler tacked on, or the toy Prime had an '88 Kenworth T600 grill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Wow........that is an insane amont of kibble on the underside of that Starscream movie version F-22 Jet mode. Increadibly chunky from the side view. Me thinks they really need design help from Kawamori's there. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I didn't feel any need to talk about Movie SS bot mode or jet kibble, we can all see/agree. But the fact that jet mode is fictional is a interesting point. Every other movie toy vehicle mode has been as accurate to the real thing as an Alternator. But SS is a jumble of parts---why? It wouldn't affect the transformation or robot mode appearance to have been either 100% YF-22 or F/A-22. It'd be like if the toy Bumblebee had a '97 Camaro RS's spoiler tacked on, or the toy Prime had an '88 Kenworth T600 grill. I wonder if this is actually a plot point, given SS's messed up face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Ugly robot, ugly vehicle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit For Natalie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 And then there was the Jazz reissue, with the mangled twisted face. Hasbro doesn't always have quality standards. Twisted is an extreme exaggeration. More he lost his chin bump thin and his mouth had a strange leer. If you had thought about it, G1 bootlegs copied from vintage G1 toys have poor parts fit, soft, indistinct detailing and in the Aerialbots case, are smaller than the originals slightly. That's what I mean when it does not cut it with the standards of toy quality for both Takara and Hasbro. If you want to push quality of sculpting issues, remember Hasbro did have the Cybertron Thunderblast tooling fixed when it was discovered the Galaxy Force Chromia releases had one eye slightly lower than the other on her face. They also fixed the Wing Saber/Sonic Bomber tooling as the eye guard covered his eyes in the wrong area. I wonder if this is actually a plot point, given SS's messed up face. That's just anti-thievery paint on his face so thieves (and potential buyers on ebay) have less desire to take and buy him. And yeah, I think he's pretty shitty given TF have done planes with far less crap underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_e Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 As a toy of a robot that transforms in to a realistic jet fighter it seems Classics Starscream outshines movie Starscream in every category: better looking robot + better looking jet fighter = better toy. I've lost pretty much all interest in Transformers these days, and designs like these aren't helping to change my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119001 Movie SS's toy seems to be some weird YF-22, F/A-22 hybrid. With the v.stabs from the XFA-27. What happened there? The original design sketch was a YF-22, but I think the movie final design is a proper F/A-22. (Still waiting on my broadband connection, so I haven't seen the trailer yet) I think Hasbro didn't get the memo that states it's a toy, and not a flying crapload of bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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