Thom Posted Sunday at 01:47 PM Posted Sunday at 01:47 PM Yeah, I don't have much faith in them being able to pull it off. I like that they have Holly Hunter and Dadmiral, but right now that is not enough. I'll give it a look, but if it is too STD() then I'll pass. Quote
lechuck Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM My biggest gripe with this show, is that we have to contend with the established DSC backdrop stupidity of humans/earth having dropped out of the Federation. It is so galling to me that something humanity fought and stood for all of previous Star Trek was wiped out in a single episode because of "we don't have warp drive!". Quote
Thom Posted Sunday at 02:51 PM Posted Sunday at 02:51 PM 19 minutes ago, lechuck said: My biggest gripe with this show, is that we have to contend with the established DSC backdrop stupidity of humans/earth having dropped out of the Federation. It is so galling to me that something humanity fought and stood for all of previous Star Trek was wiped out in a single episode because of "we don't have warp drive!". Most everything else about the Burn was shyte, but having Earth no longer be a part of the Federation was (IMO) a nice twist. And something I could see happening, esp after the destruction of most of Starfleet and any other facility using dilithium in their power generation. Earth, being the 'heart' of the Federation could have been hardest hit and taken the longest to recover in the post-dilithium universe. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM 5 hours ago, lechuck said: My biggest gripe with this show, is that we have to contend with the established DSC backdrop stupidity of humans/earth having dropped out of the Federation. It is so galling to me that something humanity fought and stood for all of previous Star Trek was wiped out in a single episode because of "we don't have warp drive!". You're not alone there. That Starfleet Academy is another unasked-for spinoff of Star Trek: Discovery is likely to make the series a hard sell for a lot of Star Trek fans. You'd think Discovery's status as the fandom's un-favorite and the lowest-rated Star Trek series of all time would given the network pause for thought even before their first spinoff of the series, Section 31, crashed and burned so hard it became the worst-reviewed Star Trek title of all time. Kurtzman keeps doubling down on his bad idea as if he hopes that if he just keeps pushing fans will come around and like it. Spoiler Fun fact: If you compile a list of the ten worst-rated (by audience score) Star Trek seasons and movies, Star Trek: Discovery and its spinoffs account for six of the ten lowest-rated titles in the franchise. Discovery seasons 2-5 all made the list (accounting for 6th, 7th, 2nd, and 3rd place respectively), as did Short Treks season 1 (8th), and Section 31 (1st). The other four stinkers to make the list are The Final Frontier (4th), Picard season 2 (5th), The Motion Picture (9th), and Insurrection (10th). A dishonorable mention goes out to 11th place winner Star Trek: Discovery season 1. 4 hours ago, Thom said: Most everything else about the Burn was shyte, but having Earth no longer be a part of the Federation was (IMO) a nice twist. And something I could see happening, esp after the destruction of most of Starfleet and any other facility using dilithium in their power generation. Earth, being the 'heart' of the Federation could have been hardest hit and taken the longest to recover in the post-dilithium universe. That's the thing... it wasn't. Earth's role in the story is basically getting sh*t on for hoarding dilithium after the Burn and going isolationist because they assumed the Burn was an attack. Quote
Thom Posted Monday at 12:42 AM Posted Monday at 12:42 AM 3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: ... That's the thing... it wasn't. Earth's role in the story is basically getting sh*t on for hoarding dilithium after the Burn and going isolationist because they assumed the Burn was an attack. Goes to show how well that show stuck (stunk) with me... And see, my idea was already better than anything STD() came up with! But the truth remains that 900 years is a loooong time. Even half of that. Nothing stays the same, so an isolationist Earth coming about after the catastrophe of the Burn is not an impossibility. And I think it would have been better if the Burn had been an attack, but then there are so many things about the Burn that are just silly anyway. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted Monday at 01:29 AM Posted Monday at 01:29 AM 8 minutes ago, Thom said: Goes to show how well that show stuck (stunk) with me... And see, my idea was already better than anything STD() came up with! But the truth remains that 900 years is a loooong time. Even half of that. Nothing stays the same, so an isolationist Earth coming about after the catastrophe of the Burn is not an impossibility. Granted, 900 years is a very long time indeed (for Humans) and things can change a lot in such a substantial period. That doesn't mean that what they did made sense, though. One of the many reasons fans hated it was that it didn't make sense in context or out. 😆 Trying to launch a new story off a springboard made of pure idiocy and character shilling is probably not the best idea. 8 minutes ago, Thom said: And I think it would have been better if the Burn had been an attack, but then there are so many things about the Burn that are just silly anyway. Literally everything about the Burn is stupid. That's why, when the idea was originally pitched back in 2006 as the premise for a stand-alone animated series called Star Trek: Final Frontier it got no farther than a handful of rough story treatments and some concept art before CBS said "No thank you". Kurtzman et. al. actually managed to make the bad idea behind Final Frontier worse. Quote
Thom Posted Monday at 03:09 PM Posted Monday at 03:09 PM 13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: ... Literally everything about the Burn is stupid. That's why, when the idea was originally pitched back in 2006 as the premise for a stand-alone animated series called Star Trek: Final Frontier it got no farther than a handful of rough story treatments and some concept art before CBS said "No thank you". Kurtzman et. al. actually managed to make the bad idea behind Final Frontier worse. I like the Burn when it was an attack. Your enemy finds a way to turn all of your ships into bombs and goes for it, heralding a millennia of upheaval and darkness. Perfect. But then they took the meat out of it for some sap story of misunderstanding and happenstance. STD() had some good story ideas, but no good follow-through. Quote
Seto Kaiba Posted Monday at 06:41 PM Posted Monday at 06:41 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Thom said: I like the Burn when it was an attack. Your enemy finds a way to turn all of your ships into bombs and goes for it, heralding a millennia of upheaval and darkness. Perfect. But then they took the meat out of it for some sap story of misunderstanding and happenstance. STD() had some good story ideas, but no good follow-through. Sounds like the unproduced Star Trek: Final Frontier would have been right up your alley then. Spoiler In that, the event analogous to the Burn was a surprise attack with omega particles that destroyed subspace in across large parts of the galaxy in the mid-25th century and made warp drives unusable. The event started a war between the Romulans and Federation that saw Qo'nos annexed, Andoria destroyed, and the Federation split in two by ruined tracts of subspace. The idea probably would have worked a lot better if it'd been set closer to the 24th century shows. There were just too many issues with trying it as far into the future as they did to the level that it became a certifiable Idiot Plot. I have to wonder what Starfleet Academy will do to justify its 32nd century setting besides being grim and boring and throwing a bunch of familiar 24th century enemy species into the background as Federation members. The writers seem to have forgotten that technology advanced a lot even in the 2370s of Voyager and Deep Space Nine. Voyager's doctor is teaching at the Academy, despite being a first-generation EMH whose software has been obsolete for 818 years. That's like going to a history class today and finding out your instructor is Geoffrey of Monmouth. Or someone from the 24th century rolling up to a computer science class to find the instructor is f***ing Clippy. (As much as I love Robert Picardo and his role as the Doctor... there are so many problems with the idea in this series.) Edited Monday at 06:41 PM by Seto Kaiba Quote
pengbuzz Posted Monday at 09:35 PM Posted Monday at 09:35 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Or someone from the 24th century rolling up to a computer science class to find the instructor is f***ing Clippy. Don't get me started on THAT little b@$7@rd. I'd sooner see Badgey make a return. Edited Monday at 09:35 PM by pengbuzz Quote
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