Guppy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 awful, awful sculpt. I think it looks fine in battroid but in fighter mode it looks like an old matchbox toy.and 80 bucks?? hehe. I hate the nose and the big bubble cockpit the most. I am sure everyone is thinking the same thing as me: 'I'll get the tread because there is no tread toy out there (the lansay doesn't count because I haven't won the lottery)'. But, if this P.O.C. doesn't sell there won't be one. <_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Sama Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 awful, awful sculpt. I think it looks fine in battroid but in fighter mode it looks like an old matchbox toy.and 80 bucks?? hehe. I hate the nose and the big bubble cockpit the most. I am sure everyone is thinking the same thing as me: 'I'll get the tread because there is no tread toy out there (the lansay doesn't count because I haven't won the lottery)'. But, if this P.O.C. doesn't sell there won't be one. hwo cna yo compare them. I liek thsi sculpt. fi you dont; like ti dont; buy it. teh sculpt is fine. I haev th eodl gakken alpha. thsi si much better. also why dont; youw ait unitlit come sout first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I think the sculpt is very good actually. Just not worth 80 bucks for how small the thing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyrox Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 What is a P.O.C.? Just curious. I hope it isn't piece of crap, 'cause you can say crap you know...it isn't a bad word. The reason "they" invented POS is to avoid saying a bad word, not because it's catchy. On another note, this is by far the best Legioss/Alpha sculpt I've seen (besides Moscato's). Looks good in Armo-soldier, and looks decent in Armo-fighter as well. Plus it seems very posable. Seems to me a lot of this is just toymani bashing. Not all of it I'm sure, you can't please everybody after all. That said, $80 is way too much for this toy/figure/collectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 i really like it but if its 1/55 its almost 1/2 the size of the mpc vf1 right? $80 for half the size of a product thats barely worth 40? hell no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 IMO the sculpts fairly decent in Armo-Soldier mode, but I agree it has quite a few issues in Armo-Fighter mode. That being said, it's not like we have a lot of choice as far as new Legioss/Alpha toys go, so I'll probably shell out the cash for one of these. Actually, I'll probably buy one green and one blue, not sure about the red though. And I don't think I'll be buying multiples either. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Randy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 (edited) I wonder if the quality of the finished toynami alpha fighter would improve if Yamato got on the band wagon to make 1/48 legios fighters. Perhaps Imai could re-make their models in "toy grade" abs plastic. Not putting it down just want better products for that price The vf series was a step in the right direction with the movable fingers and LED VF head. the only thing that i had was that the things that connected the legs could not be concealed in gerwalk and fighter mode. This alpha seems to have a lot of potential, lets hope toynami exploits it well. Edited January 29, 2004 by Rick_Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NERV Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I wonder if the quality of the finished toynami alpha fighter would improve if Yamato got on the band wagon to make1/48 legios fighters. Perhaps Imai could re-make their models in "toy grade" abs plastic. Not putting it down just want better products for that price The vf series was a step in the right direction with the movable fingers and LED VF head. the only thing that i had was that the things that connected the legs could not be concealed in gerwalk and fighter mode. This alpha seems to have a lot of potential, lets hope toynami exploits it well. yamato doesnt have, and woudlnt pay for the rights to mospeada, from what ive heard there is very little interest in japan for mospeada merchandise and they obviously cant market it outside japan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 awful, awful sculpt. I think it looks fine in battroid but in fighter mode it looks like an old matchbox toy.and 80 bucks?? hehe. I hate the nose and the big bubble cockpit the most. I am sure everyone is thinking the same thing as me: 'I'll get the tread because there is no tread toy out there (the lansay doesn't count because I haven't won the lottery)'. But, if this P.O.C. doesn't sell there won't be one. hwo cna yo compare them. I liek thsi sculpt. fi you dont; like ti dont; buy it. teh sculpt is fine. I haev th eodl gakken alpha. thsi si much better. also why dont; youw ait unitlit come sout first? The sculpt is bad beacuse is it a straight rip-off of the IMAI kit, and add to that the nose and cockpit sculpt which looks like a blind amputee did it. It's 2004, not 1985. The MPC prime shows that with effort you can make a toy that is jaw-droppingly amazing. However, I could live with the above problems, but when you factor in the excessive price and the small size of the toy it spells crap. I have the super posable alphas and I think they are pretty cool. But I only paid $5 each for them. How can they charge 80 bucks?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 What is a P.O.C.?Just curious. I hope it isn't piece of crap, 'cause you can say crap you know...it isn't a bad word. The reason "they" invented POS is to avoid saying a bad word, not because it's catchy. On another note, this is by far the best Legioss/Alpha sculpt I've seen (besides Moscato's). Looks good in Armo-soldier, and looks decent in Armo-fighter as well. Plus it seems very posable. Seems to me a lot of this is just toymani bashing. Not all of it I'm sure, you can't please everybody after all. That said, $80 is way too much for this toy/figure/collectable. sorry.. I abbreviated out of laziness not moral high standards! I've got a few toynami toys and I love robotech so I'm pointing the angry finger at this toy in particular, not toynami. I think I'm ranting because of the price. If it was 30 bucks I would get them, but not at 80. I'll wait for the price cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I wonder if the quality of the finished toynami alpha fighter would improve if Yamato got on the band wagon to make1/48 legios fighters. Perhaps Imai could re-make their models in "toy grade" abs plastic. Not putting it down just want better products for that price The vf series was a step in the right direction with the movable fingers and LED VF head. the only thing that i had was that the things that connected the legs could not be concealed in gerwalk and fighter mode. This alpha seems to have a lot of potential, lets hope toynami exploits it well. yamato doesnt have, and woudlnt pay for the rights to mospeada, from what ive heard there is very little interest in japan for mospeada merchandise and they obviously cant market it outside japan Toynami obviously has the license for Japan as it was announced a long time ago that there will be a 'Japan' version. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rogers Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Perhaps Imai could re-make their models in "toy grade" abs plastic. Didn't Imai go out of business a few years ago? Are they back from the dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Nope, still dead and we're still clueless to who owns the molds now. Toynami was rumored to be interested, not that they'd need to own them to make the MPC Alpha as the MPC VF-1's proved. Cyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicsp00n Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 On another plus, it looks like this one's hands can actually hold the gun properly, as opposed to many recent VF toys. (1/48 included) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 nope 1/48 holds gun just fine. plus ur comparing 2 totally different mecha and toylines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewooh Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 hey can anyone confirm this? On the ebay auction, it said that a mini cyclone comes with it that can be taken out of the jet...is that true? and judging from how smalle everyone says its gonna be...how small would that sucker be?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 nope 1/48 holds gun just fine. plus ur comparing 2 totally different mecha and toylines really? and what world are you living in? if you click the elbow or twist the fore arm the gunpod falls out of its hand 99.99% of the time. the MPC hands are better than yamato's 1/48 hands.....hands down!(bad joke ) i like the TV style hands myslef though they don't stay on all that well. <_< and the gunpod doesn't mount underneath in fighter mode either. <_< i really like yamato but can't that make one single toy without a QC issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 i really like yamato but can't that make one single toy without a QC issue? That would be like trying to make a Macross series without anything for anyone to complain about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfunk Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 heycan anyone confirm this? On the ebay auction, it said that a mini cyclone comes with it that can be taken out of the jet...is that true? and judging from how smalle everyone says its gonna be...how small would that sucker be?? about 1/55 scale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Looks pretty nice. Hopefully I'll be able to find one cheaper after a month or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Sama Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Looks pretty nice. Hopefully I'll be able to find one cheaper after a month or two. I got mien form kevin. KEVIN KEVIN he's our man if he can;t sell it no one can!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 heycan anyone confirm this? On the ebay auction, it said that a mini cyclone comes with it that can be taken out of the jet...is that true? and judging from how smalle everyone says its gonna be...how small would that sucker be?? See the pilot? See that small grey thing on the right of him/his left? That small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hey, I don't know jack crap about MPCs because I don't like getting ripped off, but that pilot looks WAY out of scale, Isn't the Legios only supposed to be like 25 ft tall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 29, 2004 Author Share Posted January 29, 2004 (edited) 28 ft to be exact. Im not sure its totally out of scale......the figure is rendered in a sitting posture and the Alpha is on an elevated surface in that pic from Toynami. Edited January 29, 2004 by 1st Border Red Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Thanks for posting that... Yeah, the pilot is so out of scale it isn't funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 29, 2004 Author Share Posted January 29, 2004 Thanks for posting that... Yeah, the pilot is so out of scale it isn't funny. No.... you misunderstood. The pilot figure is NOT out of scale. It is rendered in a sitting position....so its not standing erect. Also, the Alpha is on an elevated surface and that throws the scale out of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Its possible... I guess we will wait and see... I have little hope for it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrigan Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) No....you misunderstood. The pilot figure is NOT out of scale. It is rendered in a sitting position....so its not standing erect. Also, the Alpha is on an elevated surface and that throws the scale out of perspective. And some of us have spatial reasoning ability. Imagine that same figure standing up, by the foot of the toy while comparing the size of the foot and the now standing figure with the picture. It's out of scale. Edited January 30, 2004 by Etrigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 WTF is the deal with that opaque canopy?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heh. I think it is to make it close to the TV show as possible. Now I know why they use those missiles liberally. They cant see thru that canopy. No wonder they couldnt hit the broadside of the barn. Top Guns they aint... I don't mean to sound snotty or anything, but have any of you that have commented on the Canopy actually bothered to goto the RT.com site and read the post, before you complained? It clearly states under the transforming picture, that it will come with additional decals and a CLEAR canopy. Plus one other person before me in this thread has also mentioned this already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 30, 2004 Author Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) Here's another pic of the Alpha in Battloid....courtesy of rtsurfer.... The Cyclone IS out of proportion (even in storage it should be about twice the size it is there). However, the pilot isnt really out of proportion. Edited January 30, 2004 by 1st Border Red Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Pilot are sometimes out of scale do to the engineering of a toy. Sometimes the landing gear can't be as thin as it should in an actual plane and it pushes the seat up. The pilot ends up being smaller in scale. Look at the 1/60s. Do you think that pilots with their legs missing below the knee can pilot a valk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted January 30, 2004 Author Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) Sorry about that...had to try and resize the pic. My apologies.... Edited January 30, 2004 by 1st Border Red Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryHolmes Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Yeah, that Cyclone is out of scale badly. Just look at the size of tires next to the sitting figure. They should be much larger than that. And if the pilot is a little small, it's not that small. Looking at the pic and stretching the pilot into a standing position using only the power of my mind, I figure the pilot doesn't quite reach up to where it's supposed to against the Alpha's kneeguard. But it comes close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrigan Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) The pilot is definitely out of scale. And since I can't let you see inside my brain, here's some photoshop help. As per the line-art posted, the pilot should be at or near the black line. *edit: Edited January 30, 2004 by Etrigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 The pilot is out of scale, but then again, so is the Legioss itself. Limitations of plastic toy production aside, it's not necessarily Toynami's fault: japanimation designs aren't terribly technical, and though the cockpits look nice & roomy in the animation, if you "scale up" a mecha to the technical specs that they quote, you'll find that the cockpit is barely large enough to accomodate an 11 year-old annorexic girl It's also like that with the Hasegawa 1/72 Valkyrie models, the old 1/48 Imai Legioss, the latest 1/60 PG Gundams ( 2 different scale pilots, one to stand next to the mech, one to "fit" in the cockpit.) The list goes on. Basically, if you can suspend your disbelief for a transforming, transatmospheric mecha, the pilot scale issue should moot itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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