Kitz Concept Toy Thread 2.0

[Radioguy]

3 hours ago, jenius said:

It would be pretty wild if they couldn't pass on costs that didn't exist previously. My impression from Kickstarter is that the protections lie almost entirely with the company, not the backers.

Again, I don't what was stated there prior to the implementation of tariffs. However, what you say could apply to Amazon, yet Amazon policy is/was to honor pricing regardless of tariffs. Unfortunately, their solution is to cancel orders and not state that was why.

With KC, I wonder if they might still be responsible for fulfilling the orders, at least legally, as written.

[Big s]

3 hours ago, Radioguy said:

Again, I don't what was stated there prior to the implementation of tariffs. However, what you say could apply to Amazon, yet Amazon policy is/was to honor pricing regardless of tariffs. Unfortunately, their solution is to cancel orders and not state that was why.

With KC, I wonder if they might still be responsible for fulfilling the orders, at least legally, as written.

With KC the products were prepared from my understanding through a kickstarter type of program. They would legally be required to honor the prices at the time, although shipping is a different matter. They basically could just cancel outright and refund, or send things out as originally stated from the contract, or they may up charge on shipping. But there’s also the wait it out and see if the situation changes. I don’t know if they added any additional stipulations in the initial orders that may add an extra fee to cover tariffs, since many of the orders were made before that was going to be an issue. I just wish they’d give a clear answer to those that did support them

[vladykins]

With my SDF-1, DHL hit me with the tariff. The tariff is the responsibility of the importer, not the retailer/shipper. Since we're the importers, we'll be responsible for paying it, not KC. 

[Big s]

1 hour ago, vladykins said:

With my SDF-1, DHL hit me with the tariff. The tariff is the responsibility of the importer, not the retailer/shipper. Since we're the importers, we'll be responsible for paying it, not KC. 

That’s basically how the tariff thing works, they don’t eat the cost, we do. Basically the new collectors tax.

But with these KC orders, they seem to just be stuck in limbo where they aren’t answering if or when things will ship to the U.S. and that’s an extra frustration on top of everything. 

[vladykins]

16 minutes ago, Big s said:

That’s basically how the tariff thing works, they don’t eat the cost, we do. Basically the new collectors tax.

But with these KC orders, they seem to just be stuck in limbo where they aren’t answering if or when things will ship to the U.S. and that’s an extra frustration on top of everything. 

 

Yep- I don't think everyone understands how tariffs work and who pays them. 

Given I have all the destroids coming from KC, I'm not in a rush for them to send them while the tariffs are around. I'm already paying/paid on the SDF01 and a legios, so I'll be happy to not pay any more. Killing the de minimis exception is a real pain.

[jenius]

Hong Kong seems to be handling the tariffs particularly poorly... It can be a real struggle to get things out of HK for some reason.

[MKT]

Update from KC’s FB:
 

 

[Big s]

Hey you guys

just wondering why they keep putting elbow guards at the sides?

[Pontus]

9 hours ago, Big s said:

just wondering why they keep putting elbow guards at the sides?

Everyone keeps mentioning the side elbow guards and saying how silly it looks (and I don't disagree), but that's exactly how they're depicted in the animation.  All the line art depicts it.  It's in every zentran/meltran armor in both the show and movie.  It's like a major, common design element of not only personnel armor, but also the valkyries.  

[Big s]

7 minutes ago, Pontus said:

Everyone keeps mentioning the side elbow guards and saying how silly it looks (and I don't disagree), but that's exactly how they're depicted in the animation.  All the line art depicts it.  It's in every zentran/meltran armor in both the show and movie.  It's like a major, common design element of not only personnel armor, but also the valkyries.  

If you look at how the arms are bent at the joint, they’ll still cover the elbows. It’s a bit easier to see in action. I posted these pics with the light armor a bit ago the only time the pads are to the side is when the arms are turned in that direction.  I’ll see about getting some heavy armor pics later

[Big s]

So here’s another of the light with the pads covering the elbows 

and some of a dead guy and Kamjin. All have the pad covering the elbows. They only appear at the side of the arm when the elbow is turned to the sides

even the line art pics have the arms turned a bit so the elbows face outwards 

[Pontus]

Not to be rude, but... why does it matter?  This is just the stock pose and how it's packaged.  They got the shape right and it's clearly on a swivel peg (like a revoltech joint) so you can rotate it however you like just like valkyrie arms that came built and packaged the exact same way, but nobody complained about this on their HMR valks:

 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Pontus

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Pontus said:

Not to be rude, but... why does it matter?  This is just the stock pose and how it's packaged.  They got the shape right and it's clearly on a swivel peg (like a revoltech joint) so you can rotate it however you like just like valkyrie arms that came built and packaged the exact same way, but nobody complained about this on their HMR valks:

 

 

 

But I haven’t heard that the joint rotates to allow the elbow armor to cover the arm. 

here the actual elbow joint is back front, but the armor to cover the elbow is to the side so I don’t know if that can be corrected 

[jenius]

Hopefully it swivels on a peg like Revoltech because that would easily resolve the issue.

[Pontus]

1 hour ago, Big s said:

But I haven’t heard that the joint rotates to allow the elbow armor to cover the arm. 

They've been using the same style elbows on all of their figures and this doesn't look any different.  Every elbow in these toy pics looks like it lines up in a different place on the arm too.  I know we're all hating on KC right now which is fair, but this just seems like it's not only a moot point in regards to toy function not to mention a clear design element based on the actual art.  I mean, in the mecha manual pic I posted, it clearly shows every. single. armor. with elbows like that (and even some of your pics trying to prove otherwise).  I just don't understand where this is coming from, but I'll digress now.

Edited 3 hours ago by Pontus

[Big s]

2 hours ago, Pontus said:

not to mention a clear design element based on the actual art.  I mean, in the mecha manual pic I posted, it clearly shows every. single. armor. with elbows like that (and even some of your pics trying to prove otherwise).  I just don't understand where this is coming from, but I'll digress now.

In the art, the elbows are always covered. The only reason they ever end up at the side is when the whole arm is turned to where the elbow faces outward. Even the line art shows the arms turned outward.

 

2 hours ago, jenius said:

Hopefully it swivels on a peg like Revoltech because that would easily resolve the issue.

I’m hoping that’s the case, cause none of the toy pics or early reviews showed otherwise that I’ve seen. Not many reviews seem to exist yet unfortunately