Hikuro Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 really not that big of a deal...unless you did something to your model like super glue parts or whatever. I think a lot of people are going to buy an entirely new kit. I probably would if I had th emoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 That's it. Combined with this and the news (can anyone confirm?) that the VF-25F w/Super parts is coming with the Sheryl decal, I'm going to cancel my preorder for the Super parts alone and order them together instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 you can check the rest @ http://knives25.multiply.com/photos/album/...zuma_Lee_Custom Great poses! I'd like to see higher resolution pictures though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wm cheng Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 AHHHHH... Argh!! SH$#!... sucks cause I just filled and sanded some seams, I just hope you don't have to take the shoulder cowling apart. I think that's the only area of concern for those of us trying to get rid of seams. I can't imagine any need for the forward nose cone to be touched, the forearms or the back of the knee joints. Any news about the actual parts that need to be disassembled would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protostar8 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Doesn't make much difference to me. I figured it would be something like that since I didn't see connection points from the pics. Also, I don't have a valk yet, so the super pack is pretty much gonna sit around unbuilt until Michael gets released...(though I may try it out with Luca since I'm getting him when I get the super parts) Either way, I'm just glad it looks so good. I don't get why it's such a shock that the parts don't just pop on and require "replacement". It's a complex kit that from what I could see has little room for additional parts in some areas with no visible attachment points and hoping for a "magnetic" attachment system is kinda naive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) I'd guess that almost all the leg armour, the crotch, the upper intakes, and the chest would need to be replaced--which is basically every part that the armour needs to be attached (other than the wing pods). Given this, I don't see why the cost of the VF-25F Super needs to be so high! They could just have excluded the parts to make the normal VF-25F and reduced the cost some. Edited January 22, 2009 by edwin3060 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyriepilot Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Excluding those parts that need to be replaced means Bandai will be creating new moulds specifically for the Alto special, which translates to added costs, not to mention they will need to possibly reconfigure their moulding machines for that setup, unlike if you just use the existing setup of the machines used to manufacture the VF-25F and possibly add a few machines setup for moulding the FAST packs. Or I could be wrong and they did exclude the unnecessary parts but included a few more gimmicks instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXTL Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) New magazine scans of the VF-25F Super pack set and RVF-25 kit. The parts of the kit needed to be disassembled for Super Pack attachment can be seen in the first scan (small pic in the middle). Edited January 22, 2009 by IXTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXTL Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Sweet! The Super pack will have a removeable sensor attachment for the end of the left super pack booster for Luca's unit. Something the DX RVF-25 doesn't have. It's also really cool that all 3 Ghosts can mount on the same Action Base display stand as the RVF-25 and each Ghost even has its own mini stand! Edited January 22, 2009 by IXTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Yep the RVF-25 looks great! I'm glad I put in a pre-order for it. I guess the VF-25G will be up next after this. I can hardly wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mingus Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Kind of hard to make out in the small pic, but it looks like you will need to remove the intakes on the hips, the back leg armour, the chest piece and the parts around the neck. Shoulders themselves and arms are intact. Looks like my VF-25s will not be getting fast packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiroikaze Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Wow, I'm kinda glad I didn't start on my Alto yet... Still gathering everything I need. But dissassembly doesn't look too bad... Edited January 22, 2009 by shiroikaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Kind of hard to make out in the small pic, but it looks like you will need to remove the intakes on the hips, the back leg armour, the chest piece and the parts around the neck. Shoulders themselves and arms are intact. Looks like my VF-25s will not be getting fast packs. Yep. At least the kit is not difficult to dissemble-- most of the parts come off with a firm tug, so no worries about breaking stubs! It still kind of sucks that partsforming is required for Super pack mode. I guess this means the 1/100 line will most likely be either/or i.e. VF-25 and VF-25 Super will be different toys altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsain Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Never really was fond of Luca's green, but otherwise, that RVF looks sexay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 AHHHHH... Argh!! SH$#!... sucks cause I just filled and sanded some seams, I just hope you don't have to take the shoulder cowling apart. I think that's the only area of concern for those of us trying to get rid of seams. I can't imagine any need for the forward nose cone to be touched, the forearms or the back of the knee joints. Any news about the actual parts that need to be disassembled would be greatly appreciated. In battroid mode, the upper portions of the torso leading to the shoulders, the cav area of the legs and the insert to the crotch are all that get changed out. And seeing how you shouldn't be filling those areas I think you're ok. At least the hip parts are replaced with something else. Maybe it'll help make it more of a tighter fit in fighter mode? I'd really like to buy two of these for Alto and Ozma, though ever so rare Ozma ever uses super packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkReaper Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'd really like to buy two of these for Alto and Ozma, though ever so rare Ozma ever uses super packs. Meh, I will wait until Ozma gets the armor kits and then get a completely new one as it would destroy my already clearcoated and decaled ozma anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 In battroid mode, the upper portions of the torso leading to the shoulders, the cav area of the legs and the insert to the crotch are all that get changed out. And seeing how you shouldn't be filling those areas I think you're ok. At least the hip parts are replaced with something else. Maybe it'll help make it more of a tighter fit in fighter mode? I'd really like to buy two of these for Alto and Ozma, though ever so rare Ozma ever uses super packs. I hope so but I doubt it-- the problems in fighter mode don't seem to be consistent, some kits have it, some kits don't, regardless of whether they are 25F or S. Which means that Bandai can't come up with a fix for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mingus Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I think the floppy-ness issue with the fighter mode realy depends on how you transform it. On my Ozma, sometimes it looks really bad, but if I am firm and really push the pieces together, it fits much better. There are a few things Bandai could of done to make it better, like adding tabs for the wing roots, but otherwise it seems to be OK to me. Maybe I'll change my mind when I get an Alto with super packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Right now the way I got it fitted it looks like my Alto, if I touch it in some way it looks a lot worse. I'll maybe take some pictures or something I dunno. I like the kit, but man in some way it's just a bigger pain in the ass to me than what happened with my Alto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Cool, the new Hobby Japan has Kawamori lioneart for the chest armour. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 My main concern is the boosters--are they going to utterly ruin the wing decals when attached? If they simply "press fit" by being slid over them... I figure they're going to have to be permanently mounted, otherwise your VF-25 will look pretty awful when they're removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protostar8 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 So glad I got Luca AND the Fast Pack on order from HLJ. LOVING the 3 ghosts that come with Luca that appear to be customizable (at least for the attachments up front). The fast packs still look cool and the swapping doesn't bother me at all. Heck, I never really planned to have Michael without Fast Packs on anyway and since I'm getting them first, I won't have to take him apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sh002 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 looking at the pic of all the armored parts that will be included and the pic of the parts on the figure, it seems like all the parts that have to be removed won't be difficult to do so. like the left and right chest pieces, the middle chest piece, the two shoulder plates, the side and back pieces of the legs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 My main concern is the boosters--are they going to utterly ruin the wing decals when attached? If they simply "press fit" by being slid over them... I figure they're going to have to be permanently mounted, otherwise your VF-25 will look pretty awful when they're removed. Wings? Maybe. I'm a little more concerned about the chest decals. Those might suffer if you can't attach the Super parts properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 You mean the chest panel for the super packs or the original? The original parts seem to be removed in order to put on the super parts which really isn't an issue. I'mnot even worried about the boosters to the wings...I'm sure it'll be fine espically if you're careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 looking at the pic of all the armored parts that will be included and the pic of the parts on the figure, it seems like all the parts that have to be removed won't be difficult to do so. like the left and right chest pieces, the middle chest piece, the two shoulder plates, the side and back pieces of the legs, etc. Yep thats the good part. I'm not liking the fact that the parts that need character-specific colours will be stickers--coloured plastic would have been much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protostar8 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) New magazine scans of the VF-25F Super pack set and RVF-25 kit. The parts of the kit needed to be disassembled for Super Pack attachment can be seen in the first scan (small pic in the middle). Anyone gonna make their Luca into a Super Luca? I'm kinda curious how it will look b/c the pics on MAHQ of the CG Super Luca don't look half bad. Maybe I'll end up going Super Luca and Armored Michael (assuming Armored parts come out, which I bet will be when Michael is released). Edit: Removed the pics, didn't mean to quote them too. Edit 2: JUST thought about this...If the Super Parts require parts swapping b/c things fit too tightly, what are the chances that the Armored parts would require an almost complete rebuild of the kit b/c those parts are massive... Edited January 24, 2009 by protostar8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sh002 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 the full armor would be a little bulkier but they could probably still make it add-on or swappable. looks like if they made it, the front leg armor could just attach to the leg back armor and the shoulder armor could be attached somehow. everything else would be the same swappable part areas as the super pack and they wouldn't have to make a completely new figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protostar8 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 the full armor would be a little bulkier but they could probably still make it add-on or swappable. looks like if they made it, the front leg armor could just attach to the leg back armor and the shoulder armor could be attached somehow. everything else would be the same swappable part areas as the super pack and they wouldn't have to make a completely new figure. Sounds good then. I wasn't sure if the back leg armor would really hinder transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkReaper Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 i don't think the cover thats armors the nose shield will fit into its space in fighter. It's already a tight squeeze as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sh002 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 i guess when the super armor arrives i'll have to check the instruction booklet. just to check i managed to get the leg and shoulder parts off with no problem but couldn't get the chest pieces off. i think i remember the left and right bottom pieces slide forward off first and then the left and right top plates can be removed and then the middle piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 i don't think the cover thats armors the nose shield will fit into its space in fighter. It's already a tight squeeze as it is. Rule of thumb-- if it doesn't look like it will fit in place, then it's probably a replacement part. sh002:Can't you just reverse engineer it from the original instructions? I'm pretty sure the left and right shoulder parts come out first, as they are the last pieces to go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sh002 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 yeah i know. i was just too lazy to get the instruction book out since i had my figure right there to just examine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin3060 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 yeah i know. i was just too lazy to get the instruction book out since i had my figure right there to just examine. I think it's best to either partially disassemble the model into the major components to convert it to super mode, failing that Battroid is probably the next best mode for conversion since all (or most) of the parts that you need to remove are exposed. I'm going with the first route since I'm going to display my VF in fighter and I want to make sure everything fits together nicely! (If possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXTL Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Scans of RVF-25 and Super VF-25F from this month's Model Graphix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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