RedWolf Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I don't dislike the designs of the bridge towers, but I dislike the size of the bridge tower for Battle Frontier. It looks too oversized, given the size of the ship itself. It's like, why is the bridge tower so big? Did they install an Imax in the tower? Maybe one of those huge healthclubs with multiple floors and several large pools? It's like twice the size it looks like it should be. Not that this bothers me all that much. It still looks freakin' sweet. I really want Bandai to release a series of Macross ship toys. The Macross, the Global, Battle 7, Battle Frontier, and the Quarter. All in scale to each other. Indeed I also notice the command bridge of Battle Frontier is bigger than any other NMC. Oh while they're at it Battle 13 from VFX-2 and Zentradi variant Battle 5 too. I think Battle Galaxy will show up as the boss battle in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 That's a pretty loose argument there. It has been shown that a NMC city block can independently fold and land on a planet. Thus have it's own control systems. The Island Cluster class is merely a fleet physically connected together. Oh yeah, I forgot that one when City-7 was hijacked Its interesting if the cluster could separate and each of the island became a space colony UC style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Indeed I also notice the command bridge of Battle Frontier is bigger than any other NMC. Oh while they're at it Battle 13 from VFX-2 and Zentradi variant Battle 5 too. I think Battle Galaxy will show up as the boss battle in the end. Oh ja, the more the merrier. I'm not convinced Galaxy has a New Macross class ship in it. I'm wondering if the large purple ship is the Macross Galaxy itself? Which would make it an entirely different class of Macross type ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Oh ja, the more the merrier. I'm not convinced Galaxy has a New Macross class ship in it. I'm wondering if the large purple ship is the Macross Galaxy itself? Which would make it an entirely different class of Macross type ship. Few people noticed that Battle Galaxy may lay on top of Macross Galaxy, there are screenshot of it in the old thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Oh yeah, I forgot that one when City-7 was hijacked Its interesting if the cluster could separate and each of the island became a space colony UC style. Hehehe I'm sure each Island has it's own control centers. Ships like that would have to have one, even if they were only basic for general operations, launching, docking, and planet fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbes221 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Sorry 'bout the whole 'reflex' thing **cough, watching RT with the brothers - like the dub, cough, cough** and I didn't mean that the whole fleet of islands landing together, just more of what the guidelines for what type of planet they're looking for. I think that it would make sense if the the smaller 'hanger' islands landed first to get everything started then the main island would come down once everything was good. Now I really want to see how the Frontier would do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aero of Steel Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 which artbook did you get the black and white picture http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/Red...olf/Battle7.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 (edited) which artbook did you get the black and white picture http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/Red...olf/Battle7.jpg Don't have an artbook but I got that from /m/ at 4chan. While we're at it. Battle Frontier has a bigger bridge. Edited August 12, 2008 by RedWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Two artbook with Battle 7 lineart that I know: -Macross 7:TIA -Miyatake Design Work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Battle Frontier has a bigger bridge. Not to mention, a heck of a lot more converging beam cannons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Not to mention, a heck of a lot more converging beam cannons! We don't even have a clear pick of the legs of the Battle-25/Battle Frontier, who knows how many beam cannons are in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 You know, I always wondered how those cannons worked. I mean, those turret style beam cannons have been around since SDF Macross all the way back in 1982. But we've never actually seen a close-up of those turrets firing until in Macross Frontier. They split down the middle just like the big guns and open up to fire. Nice to finally see them in action after 25 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) You know, I always wondered how those cannons worked. I mean, those turret style beam cannons have been around since SDF Macross all the way back in 1982. But we've never actually seen a close-up of those turrets firing until in Macross Frontier. They split down the middle just like the big guns and open up to fire. Nice to finally see them in action after 25 years Mini-Macross cannons... It also looks like a cleaned up version of the NMC-13. Same firepower, but with much less clutter... Edited August 13, 2008 by Zinjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) You know, I always wondered how those cannons worked. I mean, those turret style beam cannons have been around since SDF Macross all the way back in 1982. But we've never actually seen a close-up of those turrets firing until in Macross Frontier. They split down the middle just like the big guns and open up to fire. Nice to finally see them in action after 25 years You know if we wait another 25 years, we might be seeing an NMC with ARMORED PACK that is FULLY Transformable to boot. But seriously...didn't the beam cannons of SDF-1 fire at Isamu in Macross Plus? Edited August 13, 2008 by grss1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 You know if we wait another 25 years, we might be seeing an NMC with ARMORED PACK that is FULLY Transformable to boot. But seriously...didn't the beam cannons of SDF-1 fire at Isamu in Macross Plus? Nope, those are the AA artillery. The only time we saw the beam cannons firing is in SDF:M just after they fold to Pluto, and during the battle with Bodolza. Hell, even we never saw the rail cannons firing, not even once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Anybody else notice that the binoculars that Alto uses on Gallia 4 in episode 14 are the same as Hikaru uses in episode 9 of SDFM TV series. I'll post screen grabs and line art later. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Haven't spotted that. Nevertheless, it deserves a "o-ho-ho-ho. You've spotted another Macross Easter egg." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker4meltrans Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Nope, those are the AA artillery. The only time we saw the beam cannons firing is in SDF:M just after they fold to Pluto, and during the battle with Bodolza. Hell, even we never saw the rail cannons firing, not even once. the rail gun ammo was waiting for the Macross up in orbit on the ARMD 1. -_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastar Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 the rail gun ammo was waiting for the Macross up in orbit on the ARMD 1. -_^ Does anyone know how big those slugs are? We seen the NMC and SDF equipped and the SDF rail cannons look way bigger then the NMC. Wounder if the slugs are the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Zinjo Very similar. I like that the turrets are consistent with the function of the Zentradi turrets. The bridge looks very NMC-7 though, not NMC-13. I was actually hoping for a new design, but it looks purty nonetheless grss1982 No, like Morpheus said, those were point defense guns. Here's some links to the Macross Plus stuff: SDF-1 (Macross Plus Version) Point defense gun array Morpheus Yeah, we did see them fire, but never up close. Which is why I always wondered "how" they fired exactly. I wondered did they have a barrel underneath those rectangular sheaths? I also wondered were they conductors, acting as prongs for the gun energy, like the big Red Vajra's gun? But I need to wonder no more, for now I see, they split apart and fire Alastar Are you asking for the size of the SDF-1 rail guns? They are 178 cm cannons (1,780 mm or 70 inches for you yanks). The NMC doesn't have any rail guns, just beam weapons. Though with the impressive armament on the Battle Frontier/25, it's possible they might have rail guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Alastar Are you asking for the size of the SDF-1 rail guns? They are 178 cm cannons (1,780 mm or 70 inches for you yanks). The NMC doesn't have any rail guns, just beam weapons. Though with the impressive armament on the Battle Frontier/25, it's possible they might have rail guns. I think NMC does have rail cannons, the two dual cannons on the side/shoulder of the ship (Battle-7 type). Battle-7 is probably got the worst action record in term of show, it was shown only during transformation and firing its Macross Cannon. We never see any other weapons on it, even it was shown to have several missile launchers popping up, we never know where the location of those launchers are. I was even pissed of when Battle-7 fold in and ram the nearest Varauta ship (even Max said there's not enough time to transform and fire the Macross Cannon). If all the NMC Battle class are unique, I wonder what Battle-1 look like, maybe I just grab one of Miyatake concept design and designated it Battle-1 to Battle-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 I think NMC does have rail cannons, the two dual cannons on the side/shoulder of the ship (Battle-7 type). Unfortunately, there's no hand written scribbles on those things so we don't know what they are exactly. You should ask Egan if he has any notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 The Macross Compendium notes the two dual cannons on the NMC shoulders as 4 x Beam Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 If all the NMC Battle class are unique, I wonder what Battle-1 look like, maybe I just grab one of Miyatake concept design and designated it Battle-1 to Battle-6 Battle-1 or should I say the Battle-1 fleet was prety much like Battle-7. Macross 1 fleet was composed of 1st generation NMC city blocks. Four of them. escorted by a Bolognese fleet Macross 5 had 3 NMCs but they were designed to look more Zentradi in look. They escorted by Zentradi variant Bolognese fleet and a single 4km Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis, which I believe was the main military flagship. I wonder how the naming scheme goes in Multiple NMC within a Macross fleet. Macross 7 had a single NMC, attached to it was the vegetation island and Akusho. Other residential ships were Einstein Research Experimental Ship, Hollywood Amusement Ship, Three Star Factory Ship, Sunnyflower Agricultural Ship, Riviera Resort Ship, West Point Class Macro-Training Base Ship, Mark Twain VII Resort Ship. In Macross 7 Trash there's Heaven, a cemetery ship. In 2047 the concert ship Budokan was added to the fleet. M7 fleet was escorted by Urugas, Bolognese, Guantanamos. Though we don't know about the replacement of the Battle 7 that was still being built in Dynamite 7. Macross 13 we only saw Battle 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 You gotta use the new picture RedWolf. It's much clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 The Macross Compendium notes the two dual cannons on the NMC shoulders as 4 x Beam Weapons. Oh I see, if its from the Compendium I'll accept it. I think the rail cannon assumption is from an RPG website I read elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) Seeing the new op I can see the various differences in the New Macross Class carriers. Macross 1 NMCs and Battle 7 is more on the standard carrier role design. Macross 5's NMC carriers are more on Zentradi tech and aesthetics. Macross 13's Battle 13 is probably the most well armored NMC their is. Macross Frontier's Battle 25 have more point defenses than the rest of the class. Does anyone know where pictures of all of these might be found? Nvm. Found it on page 7. Edited August 14, 2008 by papabear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Battle Frontier has a bigger bridge. Bigger bridge -> more bridge bunnies -> one happy perverted captain/commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I don't really like the appearance of the NMCs, with the exception maybe of Macross 13. Were they intentionally designed to look like the giant robots of other series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I don't really like the appearance of the NMCs, with the exception maybe of Macross 13. Were they intentionally designed to look like the giant robots of other series? New Macross Carrier are designed after the original SDF-1. If you look through Miyatake design work, some earlier prototypes even incorporating Daedalus and Promotheus like craft as the arm with bigger Macross Cannon like rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) New Macross Carrier are designed after the original SDF-1. If you look through Miyatake design work, some earlier prototypes even incorporating Daedalus and Promotheus like craft as the arm with bigger Macross Cannon like rifle. Sure, but the proportions of the parts make them look more like the giant robots to which I am referring. I prefer the look of the original SDF-1 or Macross Quarter... just saying. Edited August 14, 2008 by papabear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Nguyen Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) IMO, it's the lack of the big booms over the head that's the real difference. I always liked that about the SDF-1 Macross, and how the Super Valkyries emulated that somewhat. My tech observations on the last episode: -The Frontier command center we've seen all along IS the bridge of Battle Frontier. By far the least "Macross" style bridge they've had, and probably part of the reason the head is so disproportionately larger than that of Battle 7 and others. But why is glass offered his own seat? He can't be thee during ALL military operations, he's got a country to run. -About the deployment of the Macross Cannon battery - I think it's a modification to the original Macross gunship, allowing it to fire in Carrier mode AND have a decent swath o' destruction. I'm reasonably certain they CAN fire the damn thing in Carrier mode, but the cannon would have a pretty limited field of fire and you have to turn the whole ship to hit multiple targets (which is why the Zentradi versions generally are used against big planets or stationary ships). -In this episode, with Battle Frontier being stuck to Island One for the operation, being able to "drop" the main gun battery from its usual position would enable it to traverse slightly, which we see them using to great effect. I'm hoping that when we see the Big Mac transform, it'll use its cannon in the more traditional method that we see the Quarter Pounder use with its main gun. -It's been noted before, but Frontier closes up its dome and Islands a heck of a lot faster than the Macross 7 fleet does. Also regarding the different-looking NMC ships, it's hardly a new thing. There are at least three different kinds of Nimitz class carriers in existence. Over the years, they've made modifications to the ship design, electronics and weapons loadout. The most recent one even has a redesigned bow. As such, I see no problem that the NMCs have significantly different design despite being the same class and type of ship. The only thing remaining is whether or not Macross Galaxy has one, and what does IT look like? Mark Edited August 14, 2008 by Mark Nguyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Does anyone know where pictures of all of these might be found? Nvm. Found it on page 7. I also have profiles built for those ships, in addition to more pictures, on my website. See these links below: Macross 7 Macross 5 Macross 13 Macross Frontier/25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoReverse Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 However, unlike it's predecessor, the main gun can only be used in Attack mode I can't help but notice this in the M7 NMC article. While we only see it used in Attack mode in M7, where was it stated it could ONLY be used in that mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fade Rathnik Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 70 in cannon how in all my years did i miss that... I'm sorry while the SD cannon is a scary weapon, A slug a little under 6 feet in diameter slamming into a hull at even a quarter the speed of light is frightening. Can we say crunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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