Chowser Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 anyone guess at the size of the Starscream? on par with the MP01 and 02? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) All I gotta say is "Woot!" EDIT: And sizewse, I'd assume it's on the same size level, which obviosuly means it wont be toi scale, bc/ an F-18 and that size would be friggen absurd. It'll still be gorgeous at that size... and remeber, MP Convoy was amazing when it came out, and they've had alot of time to think about the good parts and bad parts since then and this toy will no doubt blow away MPC Convoy (but I'll still love him) Edited March 21, 2006 by promethuem5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 All I gotta say is "Woot!"EDIT: And sizewse, I'd assume it's on the same size level, which obviosuly means it wont be toi scale, bc/ an F-18 and that size would be friggen absurd. It'll still be gorgeous at that size... and remeber, MP Convoy was amazing when it came out, and they've had alot of time to think about the good parts and bad parts since then and this toy will no doubt blow away MPC Convoy (but I'll still love him) 382355[/snapback] So what do people think the features will be on this guy? The crown is already shown in the pics. I'm hoping for a fully detailed cockpit, nice landing gear and maybe special crumbling action :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit For Natalie Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 IMHO most of those Energon/Armada etc designs are almost "SD" versions of those vehicles. Yes, Cybertron Thundercracker looks like a Super Flanker. But he's not a Flanker. He's a kiddie-fied Flanker. It's very much like the difference between a diecast model Honda S2000, and a BitCharg/Zip-Zap Honda S2000. Or if you know what they are, egg planes and model planes. Secondary rant: Gimmicks are also messing up the vehicle-modes. Working this, firing that. Plus current safety laws make all those things big and oversized. But that should be a different discussion. My comment about Kawamori was purely about planes. Kawamori makes sleek, cool transforming planes. Takara makes "shuttle blobs with stubby wings". MP Prime's truck mode is purely because they wanted robot mode to look a certain way--especially the legs. Seriously, Prime has always possibly the easiest to do in real life, most plausible/perfect Transformation out there. Stand up, swing out arms, flip up head. His robot mode is a truck with legs. He could have been the world's best diecast model Freightliner done to date---that also happened to transform. But they wanted "Gundam Prime", and so truck mode suffered to make that happen. 382290[/snapback] Ahh well, let's agree to disagree.They wern't going for a Gundam Prime, they were going for an accurate cartoon representation of Prime in toy form, because Prime's torso in robot mode was dramatically different from his truck cab in vehicle mode. I think your gundam criticism comes from the skirt guards, yes? Interestingly enough, one of the rejected MP Prime designs was by Don Figueroa, who had designed it to be, essentially a big, updated version of the original G1 Prime transformation, except with modern TF design elements, such as flip out hands, which, as he indicated on the sketch, was based upon Transmetal Optimus Primal's flip-out fists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) Skirt armor? Partially, but I personally find much of the legs to be more Gundamesque than he was animated. Check the feet and ankles, and all the pistons and joints. A minor leg thing that REALLY irks me are the fuel tanks. They're angled. Look at them from above. They're only attached straight (i.e. correctly) for that brief moment that you press them in to unlock the legs. It's almost like the whole mechanism was designed backwards. They should be straight 99% of the time, and briefly angled to unlock the legs. I'm glad you brought up the flip-out fists like BW TM1 OP. If you've followed my posts at TFW2005 I expect to see that transformation element used for MP SS, but for the engine nozzles. MP SS working features: (btw, it'd be about 32 inches long at 1/24 scale) I doubt a working airbrake, due to the likely transformation scheme. Either the head or canopy are likely to pass through the area. (On the G1 the airbrake is half on each arm) I bet the intakes move! If you notice, seekers in robot mode are almost always drawn with the intakes "opposite" of jet mode. The straight part is angled and the angled part is straight. (They are also fond of making the straight part curved). But anyways, that is actually easily accomodated by the real F-15's ability to change the angle of its intakes----all they have to do is like the real thing, and you can get that intake angle change in robot mode. The drawing shows the wheels turning for retraction, but they show that for the nosewheel--which doesn't on the real thing. Either they've got it backwards, or they are turning the nosewheel to allow a smaller, more shallow gear bay. I'm very curious about how they'll do the legs, mainly because there's a lot of colors and bits and angles in robot mode, but it's smooth and featureless on the real F-15. I expect LOTS of flipping panels. Also a lot of that area is taken up by the main gear bays. I wouldn't be surprised if we get accurate nosegear, but almost G1-style main wheels. Though I can certainly imagine how they could do it "right", mainly by splitting the legs into front/rear halves, and lots of 180 twists. Moving flaps/ailerons are pretty much a given, moving stabs are likely needed for the transformation itself (and exist on the G1 toy), moving rudders would be easy to do. Likely--opening radome with radar---the nosecone's already almost certain to be a separate part. Though they may need the space for the radar instead for a complex folding mechanism/hinges, as I expect the nose to end up in the "spine" of the robot. Likely--opening canopy. (And expected, since the G1 could do it) Who should the pilot be? Edited March 21, 2006 by David Hingtgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostryder Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I just hope they find a way to make the bottom of the F-15 streamline on MP-03. The only problem I see are the "tits", which I think can be hidden in fighter mode if they flip upwards and become part of the intake. The rest of the transformation will likely improve upon the Robot Masters design, taking advantage of the larger scale to make make everything fit together better. It would be nice if the main gear deployed closer to the knees vs the feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) How ironic they put MP-3 paper design with THS-2 Convoy in box ! cuz of Kawamori, the THS-2 Convoy designer and the father of the Valks. Edited March 21, 2006 by Black Valkyrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit For Natalie Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 FULL SIZE CLEAR SCAN OF SS! Thanks to www.fantofan.jp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 all i can see is : -detailled gear bay -detailled reactors -big smiley face (as option ?) -crown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I hope they make a repaint in Hiko Kyodotai colors of the JASDF. I wouldn't be surprised if a repaint of that comes out. Or a JASDF 50th anniversary scheme. Cool thing is, the possible repaints both real world and in the tfu would be AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Impressive, if MP03 turns out to be cool then its 1/48s rival. I bet THS-03 could be Convoy Ginrai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If this does well, and I'm sure it will, I'd wager the next two MPCs will be as someone else suggested, Thundercracker and Skywarp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I wonder if the nosecone is going to be detachable. In the original toy, the nosecone points straight back behind Starscream\'s head. I ask only because it would make no sense to detail the rear of the head, just as in the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Not sure I'm following the logic there. Even if the back of the head is obscured, they would have to mold it so long as it's a seperate piece. I'd guess the nosecone isn't directly attached to the back of the head. I'd even say it's fairly likely it folds down against Starscream's back. This is assuming the transformation is similar to the original toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I wonder if the nosecone is going to be detachable. In the original toy, the nosecone points straight back behind Starscream\'s head. I ask only because it would make no sense to detail the rear of the head, just as in the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I wonder if the nosecone is going to be detachable. In the original toy, the nosecone points straight back behind Starscream\'s head. I ask only because it would make no sense to detail the rear of the head, just as in the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 the head is fully detailled 'cause it's a masterpiece ! for the nosecone we'll see with the pictures of the prototypes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 (edited) I\'m just saying, knowing that it is a Masterpiece, I sure would hate it if that detail was lost. Edited March 21, 2006 by nightmareB4macross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Well, if anything, the nosecone will be removable once. Seriously though, i would expect that it either folds down the back or tucks away in some other fasion. Even the original Starscream could have had a folding nosecone with just a little more tooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 im guessing there will be a cover for the arms...flip that open and fold the arms out like you do for the g1...then once the head is flipped into place, you can fold the nosecone down into the leftover arm hole and close the cover, hiding it completely. looks to me like the wings hinge a bot too, so you fold them back, then out. either way this sucker's going to be expensive...wonder how many repaints we'll see? I'd guess at least the main 3 jets, and then if the line continues being successful, dirge and ramjet a year or two later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Hey guys check this was sent htis today, if this comes out like the MP Prime I will be all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 0.o What am i lookiing at here? Galaxy Force Devastator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeo-mare Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 could be a custom, the dumptruck looks like another TF figure from a few years back. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyryder Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 That's a custom. Those toys are from one of the newer sentai series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kin Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Starscream is tha coolest decepticon evah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GobotFool Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Not sure I'm following the logic there. Even if the back of the head is obscured, they would have to mold it so long as it's a seperate piece. I'd guess the nosecone isn't directly attached to the back of the head. I'd even say it's fairly likely it folds down against Starscream's back. This is assuming the transformation is similar to the original toy. 382559[/snapback] I figure the nose cone transformation will be kinda close to the robot master one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kin Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I wonder were they are going to hide those arms in aircraft mode.. I certainly hope they don't just left bulky arms beneath the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 0.oWhat am i lookiing at here? Galaxy Force Devastator? That the main robot for the new Sentai Show Boukenger repainted. Soon to be known as the next Power Rangers after PR Mystic Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 0.oWhat am i lookiing at here? Galaxy Force Devastator? That the main robot for the new Sentai Show Boukenger repainted. Soon to be known as the next Power Rangers after PR Mystic Force. 382720[/snapback] Are they supposed to be construction workers by day, and crime fightinging spandex wearing heroes by night? THanks for the info DangardAce and Greyryder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 If they can make a Starscream 1:48 that looks good in both modes I will be all over it, displaying it proudly next to my 1:48 valks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Sigh if its good enough, i'm sure to get Skywarp and Thundercracker when they come out. This doesn't bode well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Where there any old TF videogames on the 16-bit or 32-bit consoles cuz I only there is for the Jap NES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostryder Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 TFs were my first love before Macross, and Thundercracker was my first Decepticon. MP-04 Thundercracker ... that would make my year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What were all the color schemes on the various Starscream clones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostryder Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What were all the color schemes on the various Starscream clones? 383016[/snapback] Nothing military or realistic to say the least, but Thundercracker (bottom left) holds a warm place in my heart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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