Gerli Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) From Creavision FB page Creavision Olvidense de ver un varitech amigos...veremos como sigue el tema. "Forget about see a varitech folks... let's see how things unfold" Creavision No sabemos nada aun, estamos esperando todavia. Pero dudamos que podamos lanzarlo asi como esta, por temas de derechos de autor. "We don't know anything yet, we're still waiting. I doubt it can be released right now because of the copyright thing." Edited January 30, 2014 by Gerli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Was there a non-disclosure clause on that C&D or something? What do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antibiotictab Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 An NDA between HG and Creavision? No way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechapilot77 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I still can't believe a Robotech fan project was shut down due to licensing issues. WHEN WILL SOMEONE INVENT A SARCASTIC PUNCTUATION MARK??!?!? Dear talented people, Robotech is a licensing death trap. Rather than waste energy on it, create something new. Robotech is dying anyway, your next project could be the thing the next generation fixates over. i couldn't agree more with the last part. Our generation will always have a fondness for the franchises robotech co-opted (and as this site proves their derivatives and sequels/prequels etc) but there are whole generations of potential fans waiting to be won by the next great idea/saga/story/anime/whathaveyou. Honestly the format of macross fits into the tradition of the "space opera" and to be honest i would LOVE to a new anime series that is a space opera with cool new mechs/enemies or whatever. Hasn't been done well in a while now (not an original one anyway, so for instance macross F doesn't count), and I think that genre could still pull new fans. the last space opera i really enjoyed wasn't even anime...it was the reimagning of BSG in the mid naughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah, but the new BSG wasn't any more original than Frontier, so that shouldn't count either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerli Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 No love for Legend of the Galactic Heroes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 OK, it was HG... http://nuevoordenanime.com/index.php/297-exclusivo-harmony-gold-se-refiere-a-la-cancelacion-de-robotech-valkyrie-project Translated Kevin's statement: ""No, we have hidden the details behind the Cease and Desist. However, we have an obligation to protect not only our rights, but the licensees and the rights of the other partners. Anyway, we are working on a protocol to allow such films." Whether it was WB or HG needing to protect their interests, we can all put it on Harmony Gold, and so now we know that Creavision lied to everyone's face trying to pin it on Big West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) gives HG and those RT mods an out and keep up with their b.s. propaganda. Edited January 31, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerli Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Case closed then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Case closed then? This was always supposed to be about Valkyrie Project, and that closed once they were asked to stop. Everything afterward was apparently for stroking egos, pointing fingers, and starting drama. It's pretty much crap that doesn't matter, because ultimately the only ones who will be facing real consequences will be Creavision and César Turturro. That is, unless you're one of those people who are really that shallow and unapologetic about this kind of stuff. And on a regular basis too. Edited January 31, 2014 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I just find it funny that Tommy Yune would refer to Kevin, and Kevin apparently doesn't know why the C&D was sent. Diversion tactics, but for whatever reason, if you actually care enough to blame someone, you can blame HG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Here's a copy of the e-mail from Mckeever to that blogger who asked, posted on FB. Thank you for your e-mail! We have not been made privy to the specifics behind the Cease and Desist. However, we do have an obligation to have to protect not only our rights, but our licensors' and underlying third parties' rights. Furthermore, we are working on a protocol in order to be able to permit such films. Kind Regards, Kevin McKeever V.P. Marketing ROBOTECH.com 7655 Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90046 TEL (direct): 323-851-4900 ext. 291 E-MAIL: kev@robotech.com They should probably read the contracts they sign. Called it pages ago. And crickets keep chirping. Meanwhile at MW: *They* can blame Big West all they want, but it was the lawyers representing HG that sent the C&D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry the lone wolf Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So was this a "preemptive" move in case Big West would sue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerli Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) I like my drama in 3D Edited January 31, 2014 by Gerli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So was this a "preemptive" move in case Big West would sue? Sue over what? A crappy 80's show they didn't create? There's plenty of fan made "Macross" crap on You Tube. This is all HG, and Yune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So was this a "preemptive" move in case Big West would sue? No, they're just the scapegoat that HG invented to try to deflect the bad blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Been following this for a while, I'm posting just to ask, am I the only one who really doesn't give a crap? Not really surprising to me either way about the CaD though. Edited January 31, 2014 by Kyp Durron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Been following this for a while, I'm posting just to ask, am I the only who really doesn't give a crap? No, but it's fun the fan the flames on the RT kids, because it's thier fault for buying the 36 different DVD releases of Robotech over the years and keeping the HG giant alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen72 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 From Cesar Turturro of Creavison:"Vamos a movernos un poco del universo macross/robotech asi terminaremos el film diseñando nuestro propio mecha."Translation:"We are moving a little from the macross / robotech universe that way we finish the film designing our own mecha." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Sound like UEG Productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry the lone wolf Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No, they're just the scapegoat that HG invented to try to deflect the bad blood.Then why would Creavision even mention BW to help HG if HG was the one that shut them down. Creavision didn't really mention the name of the company that sent the C&D. THey thanked HG for the support.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoptimus Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well most of us knew it was HG from the beginning. IF there is one company that knows how to alienate its fans it is HG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Then why would Creavision even mention BW to help HG if HG was the one that shut them down. Creavision didn't really mention the name of the company that sent the C&D. THey thanked HG for the support.. i wouldn't be drinking HG's cool-aid and Creavision's poor handling of things. Think of the future... if you were in their shoes. why would you thank HG? Why is that an important step as a fledgling company? When you leave a company you absolutely hate why wouldn't you burn bridges... Creavision is looking out for their own future. If a major sponsor (not saying HG is a sponsor just giving an example of position) supported you initially and then pulled the plug and gives you a BS reason. You can't say anything bad... you just thank them and adjust course and try to make things work. Edited January 31, 2014 by davidwhangchoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) So was this a "preemptive" move in case Big West would sue? With it being a fan project, why would Big West sue Harmony Gold over it? HG had no part in this project, at least not on paper, so no, that's not it. Big West has zero to do with this, and pretty sure that anyone trying to make it sound like they are, is completely lying, and dodging the facts. Edited January 31, 2014 by Jasonc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Then why would Creavision even mention BW to help HG if HG was the one that shut them down. Creavision didn't really mention the name of the company that sent the C&D. THey thanked HG for the support.. Good question. My responding question is this... "Thank you for your e-mail! We have not been made privy to the specifics behind the Cease and Desist. However, we do have an obligation to have to protect not only our rights, but our licensors' and underlying third parties' rights. Furthermore, we are working on a protocol in order to be able to permit such films. Kind Regards, Kevin McKeever V.P. Marketing ROBOTECH.com 7655 Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90046 TEL (direct): 323-851-4900 ext. 291 E-MAIL: kev@robotech.com" ...Has Harmony Gold ever mentioned that they are partnered with Big West? Or have they ever said that Big West owns any rights beyond Japan? Or have they always maintained that they own ALL the rights to Robotech? If it's the last option (which it is), then what are they talking about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) ALSO... in the AOD vid, Tommy deflected the Valkyrie Project question by saying (after 31:30), "the right person to contact would be Kevin McKeever, he's our publicity director over at Harmony Gold, so you're welcome to contact him."Gosh... Tommy Yune doesn't know what the deal is... so, by gosh, let's contact Kevin McKeever!WOW! Surprise! Big Amaze! COMING NOT SEE! Big scare! WOW!!Kevin McKeever doesn't know either!WOW! WHO DOES!? WOW!! Edited January 31, 2014 by Gubaba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No offense, but having seen the actual message Kevin McKeever was responding to, the writer was expecting too much, let alone an honest response, as a loyal, and quite frankly naive, fan. To keep it short, it was filled with nostalgia and very similar to the legitimate heartfelt posts about the current state of the franchise that are usually on the rt.com forums. And it was ironically responded the same way as if it was from there with very little information or vague explanations revealed about the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coronadlux Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It is sad that things got to the point where they did. C&D even before we got to the actual good parts. Some of us can admit, we were Robotech fans before we even knew about Macross. Goes to show that a real estate company has no business in the anime world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 At this point, HG is just the financier to employing a comic artist as a VP or animation, a skill-less brother of said artist as media, and an airport shuttle driver as their VP of Marketing. So no, I don't get surprised at the horrible job they do as barely surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry the lone wolf Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Proof is in the pudding: HG sent C&D but this begs the question why would HG flirt with liable against BW? "Slander is spoken. In print it's liable." J. Jonah Jameson from Spider-Man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Proof is in the pudding: HG sent C&D but this begs the question why would HG flirt with liable against BW? "Slander is spoken. In print it's liable." J. Jonah Jameson from Spider-Man.. "Libel," actually. And HG hasn't said ANYTHING about it, one way or another. If the company doesn't make a statement, how can they be sued for libel? Creavision possibly could, but again, they removed the statement from their FB page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILKAUTICO Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 This shows that in this type of short films or fans films is best done well publish it runs the web, Without asking permission or anything. Since then repent and you happen to like an idiot. "Better to ask forgiveness than permission"(It is a proverb, which is used with the girls here). And apparently, HG behaves like a girl. really is a shame these little short show that you can do anything with a little effort and if anything will really like. On this page I think we've all seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 A C&D is just a threat of legal action. Wether or not they'd actually do something, or have the right to, is still in question. A C&D is just a threat of legal action. Wether or not they'd actually do something, or have the right to, is still in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Proof is in the pudding: HG sent C&D but this begs the question why would HG flirt with liable against BW? Not HG, only a fan with years of credibility issues calling it "insider" information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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