Saraphys Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Original? By whose standard? You often complained that Frontier "ripped off" Battlestar Galactica, but then praise Shadow Chronicles for introducing a race of mechanical beings who initially foil the humans by installing a back door into the human technology that allows the machine race to shut it all down? Shhh Gubaba... The LAST thing you should be doing is explaining how the first 10 minutes of Shadow Chronicles is a direct ripoff of the start of the original Battlestar Galactica pilot "Saga of the Star Worlds" starting scene, with Apollo and Zach flying recon... Or how sacrificing SS-Liberty is just like EVERY B-movie Sci-Fi where something is used as bait, that then turns out to be a trap, destroying the bad thing in the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Shhh Gubaba... The LAST thing you should be doing is explaining how the first 10 minutes of Shadow Chronicles is a direct ripoff of the start of the original Battlestar Galactica pilot "Saga of the Star Worlds" starting scene, with Apollo and Zach flying recon... Or how sacrificing SS-Liberty is just like EVERY B-movie Sci-Fi where something is used as bait, that then turns out to be a trap, destroying the bad thing in the end... Sorry, silly me...YES! ORIGINAL! SHADOW CHRONICLES IS ORIGINAL!! Just like SYFY CHANNEL ORIGINAL MOVIES are ORIGINAL! Hell, it even says so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 oh great, now we've all got alcohol poisoning. We can get that from your avatar. Anyway is there a reason why Macek autographs a SDFM Valkyrie in one of memos videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraphys Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Sorry, silly me...YES! ORIGINAL! SHADOW CHRONICLES IS ORIGINAL!! Just like SYFY CHANNEL ORIGINAL MOVIES are ORIGINAL! Hell, it even says so! Damn Right! "Komodo Vs Boa" and "Cemetary Gates"... TOTALLY Original...not a thing about them thats a ripoff of anything else... Just like Robotech: Shadow Chronicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 We can get that from your avatar. Anyway is there a reason why Macek autographs a SDFM Valkyrie in one of memos videos? Ok - this is why Mavi s right. I mean...clearly you don't have a PhD. Helllooo!!! He autographs it because it's in Robotech and HE F-ING CREATED ROBOTECH!! DUH!! Stupid Macross purists - I swear. All they know is child porn. Beyond that - CLUELESS. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'd like to read what more Robotech fans think of mods like Maverick_LSC calling most of them too stupid to understand a show that wasn't even written by the sci-fi author Mav thinks it is. So far, I've pointed it out to a couple, one of which kinda knows Maverick, or at least did. He thinks he's a complete dumbass...can't blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The hardest of the hardcore were present at the Robotech Auction: Stealth Veritech = $425. Did the guy who just bid look a lot like Jonathan Switzer, a.k.a. Captain JLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'd like to read what more Robotech fans think of mods like Maverick_LSC calling most of them too stupid to understand a show that wasn't even written by the sci-fi author Mav thinks it is. So far, I've pointed it out to a couple, one of which kinda knows Maverick, or at least did. He thinks he's a complete dumbass...can't blame him. You know, shills get paid for doing what they do, and these guys do it for free. They need to ask for something more tangible than getting the privilege to try to be moderators for websites. It makes them look like chumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Ok - this is why Mavi s right. I mean...clearly you don't have a PhD. Helllooo!!! He autographs it because it's in Robotech and HE F-ING CREATED ROBOTECH!! DUH!! Stupid Macross purists - I swear. All they know is child porn. Beyond that - CLUELESS. Pete Your right I didn't see that is was robotech. My fault Yune sept it away so quick i couldn't see it. I'd still like to know why he autographed it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'd like to read what more Robotech fans think of mods like Maverick_LSC calling most of them too stupid to understand a show that wasn't even written by the sci-fi author Mav thinks it is. So far, I've pointed it out to a couple, one of which kinda knows Maverick, or at least did. He thinks he's a complete dumbass...can't blame him. Unless, again, Mav was just trying to put one over on us. Y'know: "Ha! I'll say something dumb and indefensible, and then they'll think that I actually BELIEVE something that inane! THAT'LL SHOW THEM!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPenguins Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Unless, again, Mav was just trying to put one over on us. Y'know: "Ha! I'll say something dumb and indefensible, and then they'll think that I actually BELIEVE something that inane! THAT'LL SHOW THEM!!!" I wonder who he will fail at parodying next? Personally I think he just claimed he was parodying Seto because of all the replies he got to his idiotic claims that and hes got a mad e-crush on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 that and hes got a mad e-crush on him All joking aside, that's kind of a cheap shot. Some members at sites I'm at annoy the crap out of me, but I don't think that means I have a crush on them. Still, for whatever reason, it seems as though he wants to kick Seto around some more...and really, the best way to do that would be to unban him...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraphys Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 All joking aside, that's kind of a cheap shot. Some members at sites I'm at annoy the crap out of me, but I don't think that means I have a crush on them. Still, for whatever reason, it seems as though he wants to kick Seto around some more...and really, the best way to do that would be to unban him...right? Oh yeah... But Mav totally DOES have a man-love, hard-on for Seto... ...and secretly, we all know Seto shares those feelings for Mav... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 All joking aside, that's kind of a cheap shot. Some members at sites I'm at annoy the crap out of me, but I don't think that means I have a crush on them. Still, for whatever reason, it seems as though he wants to kick Seto around some more...and really, the best way to do that would be to unban him...right? I don't think she made a cheap shot. Maverick does say that he was attempting to flatter Seto. It's there in his own print. Not only that, I doubt that you hound people and troll for them, and attempt to get them to respond to you. There's a big difference. I think you're alright, Gubaba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 They should start claiming the VF-22 is a ripoff of the Legioss. With the similar transformation and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akt_m Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The hardest of the hardcore were present at the Robotech Auction: Stealth Veritech = $425. Did the guy who just bid look a lot like Jonathan Switzer, a.k.a. Captain JLS? I don't see the rarity of it... None of them designed it, it would be the same as getting a signed LP/CD from guy who translated the cover to other language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I don't see the rarity of it... None of them designed it, it would be the same as getting a signed LP/CD from guy who translated the cover to other language. I know it's for a good cause, but if I were a layman, I would assume that Carl Macek designed the toy, and that the "hardcore Macross fans" is some kind of cult from the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) I know it's for a good cause, but if I were a layman, I would assume that Carl Macek designed the toy, and that the "hardcore Macross fans" is some kind of cult from the 80's. OI!!!! I claim copyright on using LRON as an avatar in this forum. Please send me your address as I am typing up the Cease and Desist you shall receive on this matter as we speak!!! Taksraven Edited February 25, 2010 by taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) OI!!!! I claim copyright on using LRON as an avatar in this forum. Please send me your address as I am typing up the Cease and Desist you shall receive on this matter as we speak!!! Taksraven Dude, I imported my avatar. Loophole? Edited February 25, 2010 by chrisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dude, I imported my avatar. You may use a Spheroid, or whatever the hell its called...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 You may use a Spheroid, or whatever the hell its called...... I'll get back to you after work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) I don't think she made a cheap shot. Maverick does say that he was attempting to flatter Seto. It's there in his own print. Not only that, I doubt that you hound people and troll for them, and attempt to get them to respond to you. There's a big difference. I think you're alright, Gubaba. Heh. Tell that to Pizza, since he seems to think I'm "vulgar and candid." I will, however, admit to hounding Shaloom, but only because I WANTED SOME F#&*IN' ANSWERS!!! Edited February 25, 2010 by Gubaba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) I will, however, admit to hounding Shaloom, but only because I WANTED SOME F#&*IN' ANSWERS!!! That was justified, though. He ended up screwing with people for a long time claiming a lot of crap. It's the closest thing to their parallel in recent memory. Edited February 25, 2010 by Einherjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 That was justified, though. He ended up screwing with people for a long time claiming a lot of crap. It's the closest thing to their parallel in recent memory. I'm not saying it wasn't justified. I'm just saying I hounded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm not familiar with the turn of events there, Gubaba, is there a link? Hahaha, maybe I'm just a nosey person. The legal debate between Tak and Chrisk looks quite interesting. Take it to the courts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 thot that it was a nice move to introduce an original enemy into Robotech and think it was a move in the right direction and step to start doing things original,Example the Haydonites and The Awareness. [...] and the new cyclone used by Grant Okay, that's at least halfway rational... it doesn't really work, but at least it's rational. Unfortunately, instances of original content in Shadow Chronicles are few and far between... and none of them are things you listed. In truth, the Haydonites and their leader "The Awareness" are holdovers from the old Robotech II: the Sentinels series, where they filled most of the common sentient robot stereotypes for sci-fi of the period. Under Tommy Yune, what little originality they had was traded away to make them more menacing... they all have the face of the Hal 9000, talk like Emperor Palpatine, pull dirty tricks right out of the Cylon playbook, and tool around the galaxy in generic cigar-shaped UFOs and fighters that look suspiciously like the remodeled Cylon raider flying backwards. Vince Grant's new "Super Cyclone" (apparently sticking "super" on it makes it technically a new design, lol) isn't exactly new either... it's a slightly toned-down version of a heavy weapons ride armor created for but not used in Mospeada, the lineart for which you can find in the Imai Files. I did notice some corny parts like Maia's purple hair and eyes,No dead bodies on the ship Janice was found on, Rick Hunter looked like He-Man with gray hair,Lunk,Sera and Lancer no where.But I like the combat battles and the new cyclone used by Grant and how they tricked the Haydonites by sacrificing the Liberty station.But the main point was that maybe Robotech was finally in the direction of originality.I guess I can like things that are not meant to be liked,After all I like Masters saga too. Well, with Harmony Gold committed to using as much of Sentinels as humanly possible you were destined to get a pretty campy flick no matter what. Personally, I wouldn't complain about Maia's hair and eyes being purple... after all, in rare cases people can have violet eyes, and she IS the kid of two people who had blue and green hair respectively. The most troubling things for me were the hackneyed plot, the absence of most of the New Generation cast, and the fact that Janice Em2 was pretty much a cross between Data and 7 of 9 with no personality. Maybe we ought to start referring to her as DData? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The legal debate between Tak and Chrisk looks quite interesting. Take it to the courts!! I follow the HG model with C&D's. I send it, hoping that it will do all the legal work for me. If it doesn't, I run away with my tail between my legs. Then I get my fans to bag out the other side and it takes me 20 years to get a new avatar. Seems to have worked so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm not saying it wasn't justified. I'm just saying I hounded him. Wait a minute, something is wrong here. When did I lose my status as robotech community enemy #1? I realize I've been a bit lax lately, but I can't have you guys showing me up now. Getting old sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm not familiar with the turn of events there, Gubaba, is there a link? Hahaha, maybe I'm just a nosey person. I'll PM you the info. Wait a minute, something is wrong here. When did I lose my status as robotech community enemy #1? I realize I've been a bit lax lately, but I can't have you guys showing me up now. Getting old sucks! C'mon, Keith. You have an account at Robotech.com, AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BANNED YET. All that tells me is that you've been doing somethng wrong all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'll PM you the info. C'mon, Keith. You have an account at Robotech.com, AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BANNED YET. All that tells me is that you've been doing somethng wrong all this time. But I just want to get into the secret officers club, so I can send back top secret robotech intel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 they all have the face of the Hal 9000, talk like Emperor Palpatine, pull dirty tricks right out of the Cylon playbook, and tool around the galaxy in generic cigar-shaped UFOs and fighters that look suspiciously like the remodeled Cylon raider flying backwards. hey now, Maybe fighters looked a LITTLE bit like a raider but how can you not think this is the most original and menacing design ever... Vince Grant's new "Super Cyclone" (apparently sticking "super" on it makes it technically a new design, lol) isn't exactly new either... it's a slightly toned-down version of a heavy weapons ride armor created for but not used in Mospeada, the lineart for which you can find in the Imai Files. No way, taking someone else's 25+ year old design and sticking some extra bits on is totally creative and original. Slightly off topic, but I find it amusing that the first image result on Google when searching "haydonite" is some concept art form Crysis being passed off as enemy mecha on a robotech RPG site. by the way, since when has the garfish had a giant beam cannon? (does anyone know where you can download a copy of the shadow chronicles artbook? I kind of want to see it but not enough to actually pay money for it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 in order to have secret intel, one must first have "intel." Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 but how can you not think this is the most original and menacing design ever... Hmm, something that's probably very strong but lacks mobility because of those little feet. You know what would be the perfect defense against something like that? A mecha sniper rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 You guys are looking at it backwards. The first pic is from behind. The second pic is the front view. Notice the face and snarly teeth. It has big feet and small hands. From the back, it has thrusters that propel it at Mach 90 if it wanted to. Dumb Macross purists. Finnish sum educations guys. Really. You want to critasize Robotech ok but you are making a lafing stock of your self when you cant even know the front from the back. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 by the way, since when has the garfish had a giant beam cannon? (does anyone know where you can download a copy of the shadow chronicles artbook? I kind of want to see it but not enough to actually pay money for it.) Oh, that Macross-style split hull with with big honking beam cannon (Synchro Cannon) in the middle is something Tommy Yune added to the design... originally the Garfish-class troop carrier just had the one ventrally-mounted beam cannon turret and a handful of Legioss/Alpha fighters. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has yet bothered to scan The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles. I can see why too... the book is pathetic, and doesn't even live up to the aggressively low standards set by the old Robotech Art series. Just to give you some idea of how pathetic this book really is, let me give you a breakdown of some of the book's greater sins: For a 144 page book printed on a 8.5x11 paper, AoRTSC is surprisingly light on actual content. The foreword by Carl Macek consumes some 20 pages, is printed in about an 18 point font, and only the bottom third of each page is actual text... the rest of it is screen captures, box art from the Japanese originals (minus the titles, of course), a handful of Tommy Yune's "original" art pieces, and an aggressively abbreviated timeline. Carl spends most of the foreword talking about how great he is and how influential Robotech was. He neatly glosses over his failures and makes all the usual excuses for why various projects failed. Once you get into the actual book, it's divided into five sections: Worlds of Robotech, Characters, Mecha, Vessels, and Production. Generally speaking, about 2/3 of every two page spread is dominated by a massive screen capture taken from the movie, leaving the biggest pieces of concept art and line art no bigger than a 3x5" note card. An astonishing amount of space is wasted on concept art for rooms that only showed up for a few seconds in the movie itself, and the exposed structural supports in the hangars, corridors, etc.. The most detailed character pages in the book consist of a spread-dominating screenshot, a badly proportioned rough sketch, "initial concept art" reprinted from an old magazine article, a "color design draft", the final design, (all from a front or 3/4 angle) and a small text block not more than five or six sentences long. Many characters get only a single page, dominated by a large screenshot and one or two pieces of art. The mechanical design pages are, if anything, even worse... dominated as usual by a massive screenshot, and filled primarily with recycled Mospeada line art... albeit without useful things like transformation diagrams or explanation for the changes in cockpit layout. None of the new designs (Super Shadow Fighter, Synchro Beta, Super Cyclone) get more than 1/3 of a page, and the Invid stuff is squashed into the margins. The ships section is more of same, and the production section is little more than a dozen pages of shameless self-congratulation. All the information the fans expected to see... like character bios, mecha stats, and an updated glossary of terms, was truncated to fit in the minimum possible amount of space, and everything except the brief character bios were crammed unceremoniously into a four page section at the very back of the book. To add insult to injury for those fans, almost the entire section is material reprinted unaltered from the Robotech.com Infopedia, spelling errors and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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