Gundam Show Thread - MSG thru GQuuuuuuX

[Big s]

2 hours ago, Hikuro said:

think it's streaming these days on some of these shows. Crunchyroll thru Amazon has subtitle issues. I was watching a DBZ movie and it's using both english dub subtitles/CC and the translations at times are terrible. Trunks is suddenly named Trump. And subtitles have a tendency to cut off when another character is talking or it overlaps. I sort of blame rushing to get things out for other services to fit their coding or something more technical. 

Seems like a strange issue. As far as seed, I haven’t really noticed any problems with the subtitles yet, but the dub is an unwatchable mess, and that’s not counting the bad voice actors. To have voices disappear from certain characters and only have the flapping lips is such a weird issue. The music is still going and the action is still fine and some of the voices can be heard, but then some characters will just go totally silent. It’s weird 

[Hikuro]

On 9/24/2024 at 7:11 PM, Big s said:

Seems like a strange issue. As far as seed, I haven’t really noticed any problems with the subtitles yet, but the dub is an unwatchable mess, and that’s not counting the bad voice actors. To have voices disappear from certain characters and only have the flapping lips is such a weird issue. The music is still going and the action is still fine and some of the voices can be heard, but then some characters will just go totally silent. It’s weird 

That's unfortunate. I'm pretty sure they're using the audio from the Bangzoom Studio dub, and a good buddy of mine plays Athrun Zala for it, Chris Hackney. I've seen at least the SEED dub or most of it, never encountered any issues with it. I have yet to watch the Destiny dub since it was my least favorite of the two. But same time the dub was completed years ago, I wanna say 2020 was when it was finished. That's why I wanna give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's a Netflix issue versus a dub studio issue. 

[Big s]

52 minutes ago, Hikuro said:

That's unfortunate. I'm pretty sure they're using the audio from the Bangzoom Studio dub, and a good buddy of mine plays Athrun Zala for it, Chris Hackney. I've seen at least the SEED dub or most of it, never encountered any issues with it. I have yet to watch the Destiny dub since it was my least favorite of the two. But same time the dub was completed years ago, I wanna say 2020 was when it was finished. That's why I wanna give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's a Netflix issue versus a dub studio issue. 

From what I gather from google is that it is a Netflix issue. Just a really weird issue that I’ve never encountered before and would never have expected. It sorta ruins my plan of catch up watching while getting breakfast and clothes ready since now I’m forced to watch the subbed version instead and I gotta read the screen to keep up with the conversations

[themarvelknight]

I just finished watching Seed on Netflix recently and only noticed the weird dub issues where certain characters were not audible and instead have subtitles on like 3 episodes max. I think it was 6,7, and maybe 8. I recall 7 being almost unwatchable. Destiny and Freedom didn’t have any issues with like that. 

[Big s]

19 hours ago, themarvelknight said:

I just finished watching Seed on Netflix recently and only noticed the weird dub issues where certain characters were not audible and instead have subtitles on like 3 episodes max. I think it was 6,7, and maybe 8. I recall 7 being almost unwatchable. Destiny and Freedom didn’t have any issues with like that. 

I think it was 9 where a lot of voices disappeared and I switched over to the subs. I think I’m on twelve or thirteen now, maybe I’ll try going back on the next one

[Big s]

On 9/25/2024 at 8:29 PM, themarvelknight said:

I just finished watching Seed on Netflix recently and only noticed the weird dub issues where certain characters were not audible and instead have subtitles on like 3 episodes max. I think it was 6,7, and maybe 8. I recall 7 being almost unwatchable. Destiny and Freedom didn’t have any issues with like that. 

Episode 14 is When I went back to the English, and seems that there’s definitely no issues there.

On an odd side note, I saw the Ginn mg kit and it looked a bit off. It took a few episodes and I think the problem is in show, the head is a pretty decent size with a massive plume. The mg kit almost looks a third smaller in the basic head with a half sized plume on top. I kinda forgot about how big that plume was in the show and never realized how tiny it is on the recent mg kit. The kit kinda looks like one of those shrunken head images from beetlejuice.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Big s

[azrael]

5 hours ago, Big s said:

On an odd side note, I saw the Ginn mg kit and it looked a bit off. It took a few episodes and I think the problem is in show, the head is a pretty decent size with a massive plume. The mg kit almost looks a third smaller in the basic head with a half sized plume on top. I kinda forgot about how big that plume was in the show and never realized how tiny it is on the recent mg kit. The kit kinda looks like one of those shrunken head images from beetlejuice.

That's Kunio Okawara-lineart for you. Still-image on a paper page? It's passable. But once you move to animation or models, his lineart falls apart and suffers terribly from disproportionate parts (I ranted about this a few pages back when SEED Freedom came out ☝️). His lineart really isn't good for models or animation. It's just awful.

[Big s]

8 hours ago, azrael said:

That's Kunio Okawara-lineart for you. Still-image on a paper page? It's passable. But once you move to animation or models, his lineart falls apart and suffers terribly from disproportionate parts (I ranted about this a few pages back when SEED Freedom came out ☝️). His lineart really isn't good for models or animation. It's just awful.

Even in the show the head is much bigger, not just in the line art. Although it looks even bigger at the end credits 

[Hikuro]

Silver Phantom is out for the Meta, Considering it was under 20 bucks I decided to give it a whirl. Thus far there isn't really much interaction after 20 or so minutes in. The start of it was mostly just being an awkward third person camera with cuts that leave you going "WOAH! That's to close!" to either environments or characters.
Mobile Suit controls are used via stick levers on your left and right like a traditional MS, sadly no gyroid like newer models....damn.
To use your beam rifle the reticle tracks via your head movement left and right up and down. When it approaches the target your rifle will fire, then pull back on the right stick to reload and then pump it forward to fire. Your shield is the same manner controlled via your left lever to pull it back or forward. When not in combat you push both sticks forward to dash. saber to saber combat is similar, right lever pull and push, left lever for your shield, it seems to be turned based. 
But if you take to much damage due to the clunkiness and bad response time of your controls, you die. 
So far I took down only 2 suits and now I'm feeling like I'm in a MGS konami game and just watching awkward camera angles and animation. 

If I were to give this thing a score right now out of 5, I'd give it a 2. I would had rather this was more interactive and being the character rather than just being a camera with the occasional MS controller. But I'm giving it a pause for today, first time on VR in over a year has given me a bit of a headache. 

[Hikuro]

Okay just finished it, i'll give it a 2.5. The voice acting is fine, it's good even. But the gameplay just sorta sucked. I think you could had made this entirely first person perspective with it being entirely interactive and had a better game. There's very little mobile suit combat, and no actual guide into what you're supposed to do at certain moments until you play around with things to get some kind of response. $20 is a bit to much for this, I wouldn't even pay $10, it's short, it's some what pointless of a "movie" and there's little to do other than sitting there waiting for something to happen. It also has 2 choices for your ending, I've played them both and they're just meh. 
I have yet to try the mr. battle and mr. gallery, sort of hard in a small space. 

[no3Ljm]

Gundam SEED Freedom is now available on both Netflix and Hulu. Only available dubbed in English.

[mikeszekely]

5 minutes ago, no3Ljm said:

Gundam SEED Freedom is now available on both Netflix and Hulu. Only available dubbed in English.

Decided to re-watch Seed and Destiny first, since I never saw the remasters.

Really wish Seed Freedom suits were in Gundam Breaker 4. Rising Freedom's arms and Might Strike Freedom's head would go better on my Frankenfreedom than Destiny and ZZ, respectively.

Since I started watching Weed and playing GB4 I started building Gunpla again for the first time since my kid was born. HG Freedom, Strike Freedom, and Rising Freedom are done, currently working on Mighty Strike Freedom. (Yeah. UC is my favorite Gundam universe, but Freedom is my favorite MS.)

[Big s]

Watched the first couple episodes of the Netflix show. It’s pretty hard to watch. The animation did not get smoothed out since the preview and unfortunately looks really really distractingly bad on the human characters. It looks a little better with the mechanical aspect, but still weird.  I’d definitely call it a failure. I’m gonna finish it off later since there’s only six 20 something minute episodes though. 
 

the concept is kinda interesting since the Gundam seems more like a horror icon and just appears to try and murder everyone and hunting the main character. Kinda creepy honestly. The Gundam is like a wartime Jason so far. Unfortunately that’s the only good thing about the show. maybe I should give it credit for being the only gundam show not to have pretty girl characters in it and the fact that so far

Spoiler

You never hear or see the gundam pilot. This dude just murders non stop and doesn’t care if you’re in a suit or not. He’ll go straight for the cockpit of a downed Zaku seemingly without remorse 

The characters are a bit basic and as I’ve said, animated horribly. It’s so bad that I’ll probably never watch this again. My other major complaint is damage in the show is weird.

Spoiler

Weapons from anything other than the gundam are useless against a Zaku. Canon fire from tanks just bounce off, anti aircraft weapons do nothing , even when that same anti aircraft weaponry easily destroys their transport that’s absolutely huge. About the only thing that could be damaged on the Zakus by non gundam units were the parachute canopies, but that doesn’t matter since one is more than just a little Swiss cheesed. The Zaku still lands as if nothing happened.

these Zakus are invincible until the Gundam shows up that’s an even higher degree of invincible. That thing gets hit by mobile suit machine guns, which most gundams kinda shrug off in shows anyway, anti mobile suit rockets, the Gouf custom heavy Gatling guns and there’s not even a scratch on it. This hands down is the most powerfully overpowered gundam ever and it looks ridiculously silly in close up combat. Most of the weapons don’t even hit the shield and just plink off the suit itself.

I feel like the horror aspect of this show is great conceptually, but could’ve been handled better. The damage levels are silly and the animation being the worst thing about the show are reasons to stay away. It’s pretty bad all around unfortunately and could’ve been great with a bigger animation budget or just a different style and better writers for the action scenes could have saved this mess. It wouldn’t have taken much to turn things around here.

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, Big s said:

the concept is kinda interesting since the Gundam seems more like a horror icon and just appears to try and murder everyone and hunting the main character. Kinda creepy honestly. The Gundam is like a wartime Jason so far.

That's been done a few times before... even MS IGLOO dabbled in it, showing Oliver May footage of the Federation's "white devil" recovered from the cameras of a Zaku.

It's sensible enough.  From Zeon's perspective, any engagement with a Gundam during the One Year War is basically Friday the 13th with giant robots as a single impacable killer with a chalk-white face embarks on an unstoppable killing spree.

(Ironically, the best take on this one wasn't done by Sunrise.  It was Aldnoah.Zero.)

[Big s]

26 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's been done a few times before... even MS IGLOO dabbled in it, showing Oliver May footage of the Federation's "white devil" recovered from the cameras of a Zaku.

It has been done a bit before, but this one is more like full on Jason. It makes no sound and just appears. Then it destroys everything searching for the final girl.

Too bad this show is so crappy that I’m hesitant to watch more beyond the second episode.

[Seto Kaiba]

9 minutes ago, Big s said:

It has been done a bit before, but this one is more like full on Jason. It makes no sound and just appears. Then it destroys everything searching for the final girl.

Too bad this show is so crappy that I’m hesitant to watch more beyond the second episode.

NGL, if you'd stopped at that third sentence I'd be sold.

That's more or less exactly how I think a story told from the perspective of the Principality of Zeon's occupation forces should go.  The jackbooted goons of one of the most evil regimes in human history getting a taste of the fear they've infliced on the entire Earth sphere.

I'm gonna give it a whirl in a minute.

[anime52k8]

53 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's been done a few times before... even MS IGLOO dabbled in it, showing Oliver May footage of the Federation's "white devil" recovered from the cameras of a Zaku.

It's sensible enough.  From Zeon's perspective, any engagement with a Gundam during the One Year War is basically Friday the 13th with giant robots as a single impacable killer with a chalk-white face embarks on an unstoppable killing spree.

(Ironically, the best take on this one wasn't done by Sunrise.  It was Aldnoah.Zero.)

Not animated but my favorite version of this is from this manga:

[Seto Kaiba]

Okie-dokie... starting Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance...

Still don't like that title.  Requiem for Vengeance sounds edgy AF but it's nonsensical.  A requiem is a mass for the dead, or a musical composition meant to be played at same.  Did the concept of vengeance itself die?  

Spoiler

Honestly, the opening animation is pretty solid until we start seeing humans.  The people are definitely nowhere near as well-animated as the backgrounds.  I think a big part of it is that they're too shiny.  In an attempt to minimize the amount of skin texturing they applied gloss highlights to everyone unintentionally make them all look like they've applied ancient Greek wrestling levels of oil to every inch of exposed skin.

The mocap hasn't improved from the trailer either.  They move too stiffly to be believable.

This first engagement is also so much less impressive than conventional engagements depicted in previous titles like MS IGLOO.  This is just static tanks sitting in the open taking potshots at each other from at most a few hundred yards.  

 

Once I got to the OP, it became apparent that this is leaning on MS IGLOO so hard that it's actually a bit sad... it's just reminding me of what will surely turn out to have been a much better show.

 

Spoiler

Oh wow, the first character shot after the credits is noticeably worse than even what was in the trailer.  Just... wow.

That none of the Federation M61A5 tanks manage to score a kill on these Zakus even though they're standing still is pretty absurd.  Esp. given that it's well known that the M61's twin cannons have more than enough firepower to bring a Zaku down with a direct hit.  (Not just because a squadron of M61s took down Zeon top ace Elmer Snell's whole platoon in MS IGLOO 2, but we also see those same cannons used as a heavy rifle by the RX-79s in 08th MS Team.)  They do at least acknowledge that the M61's an actual threat after the fact, though.

 

Talk about borrowed street cred, though... yeesh.

 

Spoiler

So the Red Wolves are infamous for their contributions at the Battle of Loum... which is just some lazy writing.  Of course they're red, every idiot who performed at Loum is red apparently... Char "the Red Comet" Aznable, Johnny "the Crimson Lightning" Ridden, and now these four eminently disposable lackwits.

The Zeon area commander is appropriately pompous.  He insists on giving an overly theatrical speech in front of the captured base which practically screams "ambush me".  They don't give into temptation and he actually gets to finish his speech... the ambush doesn't arrive until nightfall.

The grandfather clock that the camera keeps lingering on is the timer for a massive series of bombs that levels a chunk of the base and signals the start of another EFGF ambush. 

The Gundam comes stomping out of the smoke and fire behind a burning building and looks appropriately terrifying with its glowing red eyes.  It's awfully nice that it takes the time to stand a pose dramatically so the Zaku pilots of the Red Wolves can mount up instead of simply mowing their suits down while they're stationary and unpowered.  It literally just stands there looking around for something like 3-4 minutes of in-story time.

 

I will say this in Requiem for Vengeance's favor.

That first beam rifle hit is ****ING GORGEOUS.  Ooh.  That's just... [a noise of distinct satisfaction].  It is as abrupt and horrifying in its power as you could ever hope to see a beam rifle from Gundam depicted.  After so many shows where there's just a pink beam and the enemy mobile suit explodes into a pretty pink explosion, this is something that makes a beam weapon scary again.  

 

Spoiler

As two of the Red Wolves are approaching the Gundam, there's just a blink of pink light as the beam makes contact and passes clean through the Zaku and then there's instantly a two meter wide hole in its torso with molten metal spraying tens of meters backwards into the air.

It's made infinitely better by the fact that the Red Wolves leader doesn't see it until after it's happened, and that the beam does not stop.  It continues through the back of the Zaku, hits the base and blows a hole clean through that and sets a tract of the forest behind the base on fire before impacting dirt and kicking up a huge explosion.

The Zaku that got hit keeps moving for a second before the heat from the blast sets off an explosion and it blows apart into shrapnel.

The cut back to the Gundam, backlit by flame, just standing there after taking the shot completely impassive like a Terminator... perfection.  This is why Zeon called the Gundam the White Devil.  This ability to invoke fear right here.  It just gets better as it tanks a sniper cannon shot from Delta like it's nothing and proceeds to MANUALLY deliver a beatdown just to show that it doesn't need to use any weapon to be lethal to a Zaku.  It caves Delta's cockpit in with its bare hand, so brutally and so completely that there's a whole body's worth of blood dripping from its knuckles.  The horror show just never stops... it carves up the third Zaku and the two Zaku tanks like a roast with its beam saber, and then no-sells a recoilless rifle shell just to ensure that Wolf Alpha knows she's properly f***ed before closing to machine gun its head off and dismember it with its beam saber.

The last moment in the episode being Wolf Alpha's pilot looking up at it through the melted armor of her cockpit and seeing it ignite its beam saber is just... about the best way to drive home the fear factor the Gundam brings with it.  

 

NGL, the writing in the first episode dialog-wise... pretty bad.

That first mobile suit fight, though.  Had me like:

 

Edited October 18, 2024 by Seto Kaiba

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

NGL, if you'd stopped at that third sentence I'd be sold.

I wish that the rest of the show was as good as those three sentences. It’s an extremely flawed show. If a little more care was put into it, it could’ve been amazing

It could’ve been the perfect Gundam Halloween special. Sorta like how 0080 was the perfect Gundam Christmas special 

[Seto Kaiba]

Second episode start, though... back to the weak s***.

Spoiler

Right as the Gundam's about to finish Alpha off, it gets distracted by some tanks taking potshots at it, giving the pilot a chance to ditch her disabled machine.

There's an appropriately horrible shot of the battlefield full of dead men and flames.  Then at about a minute and five seconds there's a brief shot of a pilot on fire coming out of a tank screaming and then immediately collapsing that is so badly executed in terms of voice acting and choreography that it completely punctured the scene's tension and I started laughing.  The only way they could've done this worse is with a Wilhelm scream.

The CG character model of Alpha's pilot can't manage much emotional expression.  Instead of looking shocked or terrified when she sees the Gundam casually cutting up Zeon tanks with its beam saber almost playfully, she just looks bored.  She then runs off to try and rescue the other pilot who was downed nonfatally before being caught by Federation forces.

Everyone is so nonchalant about the Gundam in the background making an absolute mockery of the Zeon forces.  Even while the Gundam is doing increasingly bullsh*t stuff like JUMPING to take down a Dopp with its beam saber.  

There are conveniently Zaku tanks left sitting around in working order... even though one is one the Gundam basically cut in half earlier.

Wishing someone who's running away "good hunting" is in extremely poor taste.

It's also impossible to take this second lieutenant with the pink dye job, tattoos, and nose piercing seriously.  This is the manager of a Hot Topic, not someone who'd meet military dress code.

After the ploy with the two damaged Zaku tanks and the tanker truck, they still seem surprised that the Gundam ismore annoyed than anything.  It's eyes are yellow now, not red.

 

It's weirdly annoying that the cows are far better animated than the people.

I wonder if the old joke about Egyptian tanks is true for Zaku tanks too... about the campaign to equip them with backup lights.

 

Spoiler

This random lieutenant they picked up is putting up death flags every few seconds.  I wonder what his life expectancy might be.

Hey, guess what?  It's that Gundam again. His eyes are red again too!  So much for the Zaku tank.

Are we just sorting-algorithm-of-evil-ing this?  Last episode it was Zakus jobbing, now it's Goufs.  The B-3 model too... Norris Packard would be proud.

Yes, ram the immobilized tank with your unarmored cargo truck.  That's a great idea.

 

Whoever is piloting that RX-78[G]E is just sadistic.  It is even more apparent in this episode that the Gundam is toying with the Zeon mobile suits and stalking the protagonist. 

If nothing else, Requiem for Vengeance can say with pride that it has done more to make it clear why the Gundam invoked such fear from the Principality of Zeon's forces than almost any other title in the franchise and certainly any title in the UC.  This is giving T-800 from the original Terminator movie energy.  It's unstoppable.  It's learning.  And it's coming for you.  RUN.  

I am at the end of episode two and I am almost ready to be disappointed this series is only six episodes long.

 

Spoiler

OK wow, Wolf Alpha there has some trippy nightmares.  I'm not sure if this means she pissed off Muzan and got pulled into the Infinity Castle or what... 

Also more exploding clocks.  Clearly when all is said and done, the Gundam pilot will be able to say the he doesn't have PTSD... he is the traumatic event.

They get to the rendzevous point... only to find out that the Gundam has already been there and made sport of it.

 

It's interesting that there's so much emphasis on the Red Wolf Zaku II leader model, when it's only in one episode of the six so far.

 

Spoiler

Lots of lingering shots of beautiful terrain as they drive through the Romanian hinterland on their way to the next base the Gundam might've beaten them to.

Wow, whoever's playing the base commander was told "Sound like the biggest aristo-snob d-bag you possibly can" and they f***ing nailed it.  Dude looks like Clayton from Disney's Tarzan and talks like every pompous brit you can imagine.  Conveniently there's someone else at the base who's apparently a personal friend.  We learn that the kid from her dream is apparently real too, and back on Side 3.  

This episode makes a very concerted effort to remind the audience that Zeon is ostensibly fighting for independence... while also reminding the audience that Zeon are the aggressors in this war and that the Federation is fighting back against an unprovoked invasion.

Just as they start talking about trying to put a Zaku together out of the scrap and spare parts at the junkyard base, the Gundam shows up.  Its dramatic timing is perfect, if nothing else.

They have an argument about whether to hide or fight.  Wolf Alpha tries to persuade them to rebuild two Zakus from scrap to defend the base.  The dialog in this... rousing speech... is some of the worst writing I've ever heard.  It's authentically terrible motivational speaking, so I'm not sure if it's stylistic suck or just regular suck.  It's followed by a montage of... random assembly jobs.  Apparently the reassembled Zaku II's have been uparmored with track links from Magella tanks on the base and modify their guns with more tank spare parts.

The Federation's timing is, as ever, absolutely impeccable.  Just as the base commander is starting to tear into the mechanics for imperiling the base by rebuilding two Zaku IIs from scrap and potentially drawing attention to them all, the first Federation shells start hitting the base's walls.

The Gundam comes running out of the sunset just as the Zakus mobilize... and this time it has a GM in tow.

 

I'm gonna catch the remaining three episodes tomorrow... but at the halfway point what I can say for it is that this (mini)series stands on its action. 

The story is unremarkable at best, with some incredibly stilted dialog.  The characters are almost totally undeveloped thus far and are really only here to react to the Gundam tearing sh*t up.

The actual mobile suit fights are quite impressive.  This series does a great job of one key point and that's making the Gundam scary.  It isn't just unstoppable, it's predatory.  It's sadistic in how it toys with the Zeon mobile suits before tearing the apart.  This is the Gundam as a horror movie monster.

[Big s]

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It's also impossible to take this second lieutenant with the pink dye job, tattoos, and nose piercing seriously.  This is the manager of a Hot Topic, not someone who'd meet military dress code.

I kinda gave that a pass since Gundam has never really had much of a rule or serious dress code. The females often are silly or goofy or overly cute. At least this time they look like ladies that could put up a fight rather than too girly to continue after chipping a nail.

 

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

This is the Gundam as a horror movie monster.

I guess you can see the comparison I was making with the Gundam and Jason.
Only a week or two before all Gundams eve. Gotta put out the Zako lanterns and hope for the best.

just finished the show and it’s a disappointment for sure. The last couple episodes are just terrible.

Spoiler

They kinda ruin everything when they reveal that the Gundam pilot is just a kid. But it’s really more of the reaction by the main character. She just basically gets all mopey and weird about this murderous kid.

it gets even worse in the final episode after someone else has tout the kid down. She decides to stay behind for no reason, even though she wanted to see her son more than anything. Then it turns out that she joined the insurgents to prevent war and further conflict??????

 

Edited October 18, 2024 by Big s

[Seto Kaiba]

14 minutes ago, Big s said:

I kinda gave that a pass since Gundam has never really had much of a rule or serious dress code. The females often are silly or goofy or overly cute. At least this time they look like ladies that could put up a fight rather than too girly to continue after chipping a nail.

Gundam, and especally UC Gundam, gives that treatment to female civilians... not female soldiers.

Those female civilians are typically The Load, The Chick, or The Love Interest and aren't directly involved in the fighting.  They're "waifus".  Women in the military in Gundam tend to be depicted as consummate professionals.  There is some mild sexism mixed in based on when certain titles were made and the concept of professional women at the time, but almost all of them are shown to follow the uniform code as strictly as any other soldier (and often more than some of the men).   

Paramilitary factions in Gundam like the AEUG and Karaba, or mercenary outfits like the PMC Trust in 00 or Tekkadan in IBO are pretty loose on dress code... but they're not the real military.  The EFF and Zeon/Neo Zeon/Cosmo Babylonia/Zanscare/etc. tend to all put their characters in uniform, neat and professional looking at all times.  That one girl from the infantry in Requiem for Vengeance looks hilariously out of place compared to even the other characters doing her same job.  They're all in proper uniform, no visible tattoos, no kind of piercings or hair dye.  So she looks like she wandered onto the wrong set or something and was too embarrassed to admit she didn't belong..

 

14 minutes ago, Big s said:

just finished the show and it’s a disappointment for sure. The last couple episodes are just terrible.

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They kinda ruin everything when they reveal that the Gundam pilot is just a kid. But it’s really more of the reaction by the main character. She just basically gets all mopey and weird about this murderous kid.

it gets even worse in the final episode after someone else has tout the kid down. She decides to stay behind for no reason, even though she wanted to see her son more than anything. Then it turns out that she joined the insurgents to prevent war and further conflict??????

 

Spoiler

That's pretty typical for Gundam.  

Ramba Ral has a similar breakdown in the original series when he learns the Gundam is piloted by a teenager.

It's almost a once-a-series thing with some career soldier who's an actual adult finding out the Gundam pilot is a kid and being INCREDIBLY depressed by it.

 

[Big s]

5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

They're all in proper uniform, no visible tattoos, no kind of piercings or hair dye. 

[rsvictor1976]

I just started watching Requiem for Vengeance. I'm only two episodes in but I'm liking the series so far. The animation doesn't really bother me since the story has been pretty good so far. I do like the concept of Gundam being the evil monster though. It's funny because I've been playing Mechwarrior 5: Clans lately, and in that game you play as the bad guys too.

Edited October 19, 2024 by rsvictor1976

[Keith]

Reqium is definitely trash, the animation is so unnatural that I'd be shocked if a human was involved in handling the movement. The Gundam looks way closer to Turn A than anything 0079 contemporary.

The show feels like someone watched a trailer for Thunderbolt & a trailer for MS IGLOO, then jumped right in without seeing either.

Also, they took out 3 whole Federation fleets at Loom, but aren't significantly mire distinguished than Char (who only took out a measly 5 ships)?

Edited October 19, 2024 by Keith

[Keith]

7 hours ago, Big s said:

Those girls obviously didn't land on the ancient ruins of a Hot Topic like this one did.

[rsvictor1976]

I ended up binge watching the rest of the series and I liked it up until the final part of the last episode. I think the ending could have been a lot better and I’m still debating whether I like what happens to the Gundam and it’s pilot.

[anime52k8]

So I binged it watched it with a friend last night, then turned it into a double feature by watching Cucuruz Doan's island right after. I'm not gonna say it was good, but I enjoyed it in all it's Janky, dumb glory. Not sure how I feel about the ending either. What happens to the Gundam pilot is the kind of thing that happens in almost every Gundam production, still felt anti-climactic though. and where final girl ends up in the very end gave me literal whiplash. I think it's it's interesting and kind of fun how different the whole story reads depending on how familiar you are with the UC setting as a whole. As for the Suit designs; they all work better in motion with dramatic lighting than the do as model kits, the Zaku's are okay, I'm starting to come around to the gundam though I still hate the face, and the Gouf's actually looked pretty cool. Honestly my favorite things were the saberfish fighters and type 61 tanks.

As for Cucuruz Doan's Island; it was awesome. Super fun to see the original characters in a modern animation and the story was actually really good.

 

Edited October 19, 2024 by anime52k8

[Seto Kaiba]

22 hours ago, Big s said:

First, the section of my post you quoted was talking about the other characters of both genders in Requiem for Vengeance... not all female characters in Gundam.  That's not the counterargument you think it is because everyone else in this series is in proper uniform, which just makes Hot Topic Trooper stand out more.

Second, I'd like to point out that Helena from Code Fairy there is still wearing the actual uniform... something our Hot Topic Trooper can't claim.  Her tattoos aren't visible when she has her uniform jacket done up properly and I don't believe her hair color is described as a dyejob like Chara Soon's is.

Third and lastly, Helena's part of a special forces unit under Kycilia Zabi's direct authority kind of like Char and thus exempt from a lot of the usual regulations.  Not something our Hot Topic Trooper can claim... and even then, she's only lightly skirting the uniform regs instead of outright ignoring them.

 

15 hours ago, Keith said:

Those girls obviously didn't land on the ancient ruins of a Hot Topic like this one did.

Yeah... it's actually hard to take her seriously because she looks so incredibly unprofessional and out of place compared to all of the other Zeon soldiers.  

The writers can try to make her badass all they want, but she's never not going to look like Zeon was so hard up for cannon fodder that they pressganged some random carnie.

Interestingly, the official website for the series actually mentions that Hot Topic Trooper's appearance is a violation of regulations and that she is routinely written up for failing to comply with dress code by her superiors.  That, and her otherwise being highly capable, are her only character traits.

[electric indigo]

Liked by Hideo Kojima:

 

[Hikuro]

I just finished all 6 episodes myself....I'm not a fan of the japanese audio, with the type of animation they were using, the way that japanese voice acting is done just doesn't match well with the animation style given due to their over exaggerated sounds of grunts, gasps, groans and speed of talking, however with english it flows fine and the animation styling isn't anywhere near as jaring. It's sort of hard for me to articulate what I mean, but if you compare the two audio tracks you might get what I mean. 

 

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The story isn't bad at all, I rather enjoyed it. You don't exactly get attached to the characters but you do enjoy them. I felt pretty bad when Leesan was killed, he was a good pilot and I think a good character. I almost threw my beer at the computer when I thought Alfie was gonna originally bite the dust and was hoping Iria wasn't gonna get killed. Of course, our Gundam pilot, who's name is unknown was coming around and sadly got Tominoed by a generic pilot, what a shame.
I'm glad Iria survived though, even making it straight thru the end of the OYW. It's possible she would have been a character who I don't doubt would join the AUEG. 

 

The character animations are still rather flat for this kind of work, which is a damn shame because so many studios do a way better job, but it honestly felt like the entire budget went into mobile suit designs, battle coreography and environmental set designs. While there's very little change to Zeon mobile suits, and we get a nice heaping of  the Gouf Custom, there was  A LOT of liberties taken with the Gundam, GM and Guntank designs. You know what, they actually strongly to me, remind me of the G40 RX-78-2, almost like a marriage between the G40 and Thunderbolt. Anyone else get that feeling?
 

[Keith]

1 hour ago, Hikuro said:

 

The character animations are still rather flat for this kind of work, which is a damn shame because so many studios do a way better job, but it honestly felt like the entire budget went into mobile suit designs, battle coreography and environmental set designs. While there's very little change to Zeon mobile suits, and we get a nice heaping of  the Gouf Custom, there was  A LOT of liberties taken with the Gundam, GM and Guntank designs. You know what, they actually strongly to me, remind me of the G40 RX-78-2, almost like a marriage between the G40 and Thunderbolt. Anyone else get that feeling?
 

Honestly, I thought the Gundam looked like the Turn A fraked the Iron Giant, with the worst aspects of both coming out.

Mind you "I like" both of those designs, but not this thing.

 

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, electric indigo said:

Liked by Hideo Kojima:

Indictments of the show's terrible writing don't come much more damning than that.

Hideo "Nanomachines" Kojima likes the writing... that's like a pat on the back from Uwe Boll and Ed Wood at the gates of filmmaker hell.

 

 

1 hour ago, Hikuro said:

I just finished all 6 episodes myself....I'm not a fan of the japanese audio, with the type of animation they were using, the way that japanese voice acting is done just doesn't match well with the animation style given due to their over exaggerated sounds of grunts, gasps, groans and speed of talking, however with english it flows fine and the animation styling isn't anywhere near as jaring. It's sort of hard for me to articulate what I mean, but if you compare the two audio tracks you might get what I mean. 

I know exactly what you mean.

Being a subs-over-dubs guy, my first instinct was "Gundam is anime" and so I changed the audio to Japanese and the subs to English.  Then I was politely baffled when the lip flap didn't match at all and the voice casting was full of dubious choices and dodgy performances.

Turns out, this one was written in English so when Netflix says "English (Original)" for the audio choice they are NOT kidding.  This series was written to be watched in English, so it doesn't flow right in Japanese.

Then I switchd it back to English and found that, while the voice acting flows more naturally and the casting choices are far more appropriate, the writing is still dreadful.

 

1 hour ago, Hikuro said:

While there's very little change to Zeon mobile suits, and we get a nice heaping of  the Gouf Custom, there was  A LOT of liberties taken with the Gundam, GM and Guntank designs. You know what, they actually strongly to me, remind me of the G40 RX-78-2, almost like a marriage between the G40 and Thunderbolt. Anyone else get that feeling?

That's because, as is typical for Gundam UC side stories, they're not the same designs we're used to seeing.

They're implied or outright stated to be yet another batch of one-off custom jobs for prototyping something or other. 

In this case, the Gundam is a bridge design between the original RX-78 and the RX-79[G] Gundam Ground Type from 08th MS Team.  Weirdly, it seems to be drawing inspiration from the Ez8 custom for the head (which is why it has that weird chinstrap).  Its official designation is given as RX-78[G]E Gundam EX.

[Bolt]

Just finished Requiem For Vengeance. I enjoyed it. And it had plenty of action. My biggest gripe is watching CGI do mannequins tho. The character animation is wooden and lifeless.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Bolt

[Big s]

On 10/19/2024 at 6:16 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

(which is why it has that weird chinstrap).

I always thought those were mutton chops to go with it’s hipster red soul patch