Roy Should Have Lived.

[Rocket Punch]

3 - nobody noticed or laughed at my highly appropriate, Zapp Brannigan quote... its quite depressing.

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Don't worry bro I thought it was hilarious.

[Mowe]

Ha..ha.., no inside joke planned, just plain silly error but now that you mentioned it, I think I'l leave it as it is.

I believe the word you are looking for is attitude.  Unless there is some inside joke I am missing.

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Edited March 21, 2006 by Mowe

[Roy Focker]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

[Macross73]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

382347[/snapback]

it took him 36 episodes to grow a pair, and all that time after the spacefold to get'em back to earth, i thought pubery took less time.

Edited March 21, 2006 by Macross73

[JB0]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

382347[/snapback]

I thought he just inherited Roy's after he, I mean you, kicked the bucket.

[Mislovrit]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

382347[/snapback]

I thought he just inherited Roy's after he, I mean you, kicked the bucket.

382371[/snapback]

Shame Hikaru didn't remove them while the body was still warm.

[Sumdumgai]

So the balls went from the size of bbs, to the size of raisins. No wonder he had to take Roy's!

[Zinjo]

Minmay should have gone out in a valkyrie using some kind of voice control system or a guitar, or piano, and wiped out the zentraedi forces with her songs, striptease, then her (very successful) porno video filmed live in her cockpit.

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Nah, S.K. was saving that bit of high drama for Macross 7...

***Actually since SK didn't write SDF Macross, maybe that was his vision all along...

Edited March 21, 2006 by Zinjo

[Nightbat]

Perfect scenario:

Everybody dies, except Misa, Minmay, Myria, Claudia and the bridgebunnies

they are stranded as the last persons on what's left of earth

Lonely, sad,....

*I'll let you guys fill in the rest

[Sundown]

***Actually since SK didn't write SDF Macross, maybe that was his vision all along...

382617[/snapback]

Kawamori didn't write SDF? Who did? This would explain sooo many things.

[JB0]

***Actually since SK didn't write SDF Macross, maybe that was his vision all along...

382617[/snapback]

Kawamori didn't write SDF? Who did? This would explain sooo many things.

382663[/snapback]

Carl Macek.

[JKeats]

Hmm, some classic lines I could throw in before this thread closes:

"Stealth!"

"Please bang anus please!"

"Mac 7 is teh ghey and Basara loves teh weiner!"

"Kawamori needs to redesign the VF-1 because it is old and does not look like my drawing of an ultimate valkyrie and I am 5 and I love candy."

"They need to make a sequel about Rick, Lisa and the SDF-2!"

[JB0]

Hmm, some classic lines I could throw in before this thread closes:

"Stealth!"

"Please bang anus please!"

"Mac 7 is teh ghey and Basara loves teh weiner!"

"Kawamori needs to redesign the VF-1 because it is old and does not look like my drawing of an ultimate valkyrie and I am 5 and I love candy."

"They need to make a sequel about Rick, Lisa and the SDF-2!"

382677[/snapback]

*laughs*

But if I recall, Basara actually loves Oscar Mayer weiner...

[Zinjo]

***Actually since SK didn't write SDF Macross, maybe that was his vision all along...

382617[/snapback]

Kawamori didn't write SDF? Who did? This would explain sooo many things.

382663[/snapback]

Carl Macek.

382667[/snapback]

LOL!

...................

Actually they would be:

Series Script Supervisor: Ken'ichi Matsuzaki

Chief Director: Noboru Ishiguro

Scenario: Ken'ichi Matsuzaki, Noboru Ishiguro, Sukehiro Tomita

They don't list any actual writers, but typically the director (chief director) has a heavy hand in the direction of the story.

Edited March 22, 2006 by Zinjo

[Sundown]

Series Script Supervisor: Ken'ichi Matsuzaki

Chief Director: Noboru Ishiguro

Scenario: Ken'ichi Matsuzaki, Noboru Ishiguro, Sukehiro Tomita

They don't list any actual writers, but typically the director (chief director) has a heavy hand in the direction of the story.

382698[/snapback]

So that's how we got from SDF to Valk boobies and froating rocks. Kawamori.

Any idea who was responsible for DYRL?

[Renato]

Macross was originally Megaroad, which was originally Genocidus or something. It was mainly all Kawamori's thing all along.

[Lightning]

Hmm, some classic lines I could throw in before this thread closes:

"Stealth!"

"Please bang anus please!"

"Mac 7 is teh ghey and Basara loves teh weiner!"

"Kawamori needs to redesign the VF-1 because it is old and does not look like my drawing of an ultimate valkyrie and I am 5 and I love candy."

"They need to make a sequel about Rick, Lisa and the SDF-2!"

382677[/snapback]

*laughs*

But if I recall, Basara actually loves Oscar Mayer weiner...

382684[/snapback]

actually, isn't it weiners? he was always eating two of them in the same bun, even when he ate after mylene....

[JB0]

Hmm, some classic lines I could throw in before this thread closes:

"Stealth!"

"Please bang anus please!"

"Mac 7 is teh ghey and Basara loves teh weiner!"

"Kawamori needs to redesign the VF-1 because it is old and does not look like my drawing of an ultimate valkyrie and I am 5 and I love candy."

"They need to make a sequel about Rick, Lisa and the SDF-2!"

382677[/snapback]

*laughs*

But if I recall, Basara actually loves Oscar Mayer weiner...

382684[/snapback]

actually, isn't it weiners? he was always eating two of them in the same bun, even when he ate after mylene....

382946[/snapback]

Well, they say no one can eat just one...

[kanata67]

if roy haden't died I would have had no excuse to make my custom 1/55 spawn/undead vf . It even has gore on the inside of the cockpit

[Sundown]

Macross was originally Megaroad, which was originally Genocidus or something.  It was mainly all Kawamori's thing all along.

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I know that... but it seems like a lot of other players were involved in SDF going where it did. Sort of like the Lucas/Star Wars syndrome. The visionary comes up with a brilliant, overarching idea but needs others to ground it sensibly and execute it properly. On his own, said genius just goes mad, off on his own.

Edited March 22, 2006 by Sundown

[Zinjo]

Macross was originally Megaroad, which was originally Genocidus or something.  It was mainly all Kawamori's thing all along.

382868[/snapback]

I know that... but it seems like a lot of other players were involved in SDF going where it did. Sort of like the Lucas/Star Wars syndrome. The visionary comes up with a brilliant, overarching idea but needs others to ground it sensibly and execute it properly. On his own, said genius just goes mad, off on his own.

383057[/snapback]

Hence "Macross 7"...

[Sumdumgai]

Watsuki created that succesful series Rurouni Kenshin. But his editor and assistants kept him grounded and kept him from doing crazy bat-poopie insane stuff. After Watsuki gave the boot to some assistants, you got the jinchuu arc (not so good).

Shin and Mao should have wound up together, Sara should have been incinerated in a nuclear explosion, and Roy should have died and been brought back to life through cloning.

You see, whenever there is danger to the world, Roy will be brought back to life. He gets his memories through his DNA like Ripley in Alien 4. God my brain hurts from coming up with this retarded stuff.

[JB0]

As long as we're talking about credits...

I yanked Kawamori's work history off the Compendium, so we can quit just throwing random ideas out.

http://macross.anime.net/production/creato...hoji/index.html

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross

Creator*, Production Supervisor*, Mecha Design, Storyboard*, Script (episode 36)

*under penname

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross the Movie: Do You Remember Love

Story Script Supervisor, Script, Mecha Design, Director

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Flash Back 2012

Executive Director, Compilation, Mechanical Design

Macross Plus

Creator, Executive Director, Mecha Design, Storyboard

Macross 7

Creator, Supervisor, Mecha Design, Storyboard (episode 27)

Macross 7 the Movie: The Galaxy's Calling Me!

Creator, Script, Supervisor, Mecha Design

Macross Plus Movie Edition

Creator, Executive Director, Mecha Design, Storyboard

Macross 7 Encore

Creator, Supervisor, Mecha Design

Macross Dynamite 7

Creator, Series Script Supervisor, Mecha Design, Ending Photography

Macross Zero Creator, Director, Mecha Design

A bit of rummaging gets us...

(note that this isn't complete, as several games listed have no credits)

DYRL game:

Executive Direction

Macross VF-X:

Executive Direction, Mechanical Design.

Macross VF-X2:

Executive Supervisor, Mechanical Design, Opening Animation Storyboard

Macross Plus Game Edition:

Game & Movie Supervisor, Design Supervisor

Macross M3:

Mecha Design, Story Supervisor

And because I can...

The Vision of Escaflowne

Creator, Supervisor/Series Script Supervisor, Script (episode 1), Storyboard (20)

In point of fact, he was MOST involved in DYRL and the Macross 7 "movie", being the actual scriptwriter for both.

He was MORE involved in SDF than the Mac7 series, as he did ALL the storyboards and one script instead of just one storyboard.

SDF was also closer to the origin, so his "creator" credit carries more weight.

Creator should show up in all Macross products, including orphans like Macross 2. It just indicates that the Macross universe was originally Kawamori's idea.

http://www.animeigo.com/Liner/MACROSS.t

Animeigo's liner notes list Kawamori as the Phantasm editor.

The Kawamori commentary on each episode also implies that all the episodes were collaborative efforts.

Every comment references "the creators" as a collective entity, which implies that while one person may have technically been responsible for a given episode, all of them were providing a signifigant degree of input.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Has anyone seen that van damme movie Universal Soldier? (has dolph lundgren in it)

That what I want to see happen with Roy and Ivanov.

Have roy's life be brought back through a secret black UNG experiment where they have cloned and taken his memories and put them in an enhanced body which merges the genetic experiments they have done on zentradi and cyborg ones they need to make the pilots have better vision, reaction speed, strength etc.

Then have ivanov clone (he's well known and has many look-a-likes in case of assasination - see the episode of ghost in the shell with the war hero who couldn't die for an example) be made into something similar with the anti-un.

They both duke it out with brainwave controlled vfs and thier memories of thier past life pops up and they fight each other. (guld vs Dyson style)

Both kill each other off and that marks the end of roy. (given a more heroic death)

The anti un develop more clones (a clone army like in star wars) but these turn against their leaders once they hear music that reminds them of a pop song they once heard of a long time ago and they revolt against thier leader.

That ends the age of clone wars and the anti un experiments. (too dangerous)

..Macross plus II coming soon..

Edited March 23, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Zinjo]

In point of fact, he was MOST involved in DYRL and the Macross 7 "movie", being the actual scriptwriter for both.

He was MORE involved in SDF than the Mac7 series, as he did ALL the storyboards and one script instead of just one storyboard.

Well I don't dispute his input into the story, but giving his extensive creative credit because he drew storyboards seems a bit much.

The Kawamori commentary on each episode also implies that all the episodes were collaborative efforts.

Every comment references "the creators" as a collective entity, which implies that while one person may have technically been responsible for a given episode, all of them were providing a signifigant degree of input.

383079[/snapback]

Well I expect he did have input, but likely no more than any other team member, however the director had final say in what was filmed and how it looked.

Hence his directorial credits show that his vision of the Macross universe are best displayed in DYRL, Flashback, Mac Plus, Macross Zero, etc...

Which are generally regarded as the favorites of the franchise.

[JB0]

In point of fact, he was MOST involved in DYRL and the Macross 7 "movie", being the actual scriptwriter for both.

He was MORE involved in SDF than the Mac7 series, as he did ALL the storyboards and one script instead of just one storyboard.

Well I don't dispute his input into the story, but giving his extensive creative credit because he drew storyboards seems a bit much.

I said more involved in. Not "more of the creative force behind."

I was just jabbing the whole "Without the rest of the SDF team to keep him in check we get mecha boobies" sentiment.

I thought it was kind of absurd and figured I'd take a bit of time to actually pull the credits up instead of just speculating idly.

Were I inclined to speculate idly on Kawamori's vision of the Macross universe, I'd comment on the fact that most of the Macross 7 cast is stuffed into the background for the duration of the Kawamori-scripted story and try to draw conclusions from it.

...

Actually, the movie DID have a diffrent feel to it than most of the TV series episodes, now that I think about it.

Also had a QRau with a green-haired woman in it, which is the important bit. Kawamori seems to have a thing for large women.

The Kawamori commentary on each episode also implies that all the episodes were collaborative efforts.

Every comment references "the creators" as a collective entity, which implies that while one person may have technically been responsible for a given episode, all of them were providing a signifigant degree of input.

383079[/snapback]

Well I expect he did have input, but likely no more than any other team member, however the director had final say in what was filmed and how it looked.

Hence his directorial credits show that his vision of the Macross universe are best displayed in DYRL, Flashback, Mac Plus, Macross Zero, etc...

Which are generally regarded as the favorites of the franchise.

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*nods*

It just seems like SDF was more of a group effort. I know at least some of the staff were supposed to be good friends before they started in on the show, and can see them bouncing ideas off each other and then just splitting the credits up among the group. But maybe I'm just being a romantic.

[azrael]

Okay....what was this thread about, again?

[Lightning]

after reading four pages........i not so sure.

thank you azrael, I now have a new sig.

Edited March 23, 2006 by Lightning 06

[bigkid24]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

382347[/snapback]

Agreed.

As much as I like Roy's character, it was a necessary death to move Hikaru's development forward.

Besides, even if Roy hadn't died what makes you think that Kawamori would have chosen him to focus the story on?

[JB0]

Hikaru's nuts were small.

In order for Hikaru's nuts to grow.

Roy had to die.

Hikaru then grew some bigger balls.

382347[/snapback]

Agreed.

As much as I like Roy's character, it was a necessary death to move Hikaru's development forward.

Besides, even if Roy hadn't died what makes you think that Kawamori would have chosen him to focus the story on?

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Yes. If Hikaru had died, the logical new focus would have been on Max and Millia's whirlwind romance/homicide attempt.

[peter]

Roy should have lived, or could have? Roy's death could have been easily prevented in the TV show. It's not like his wound was untreatable. How much time passed between initial injury and death? More than five minutes right? He was slowly bleeding for a long time. Even a minor stomach will kill you in under five minutes. My guess is he was bleeding for at least 45-60 minutes. He died because he was stubborn and too tough to go to the hospital. "meh, minor flesh wound....it'll heal itself".

Now, in DYRL, his death might not have been that easy to prevent...however, my personal feeling on the matter is that Roy was extremely neglegent for an ace/veteran Valkrie pilot. If Hikaru could survive with an unarmed Ostrich, Roy should have been able to escape unscathed. Well, maybe it was just bad luck...poo happens to even the best.

Now, whether Roy should have been written in the story to have lived to the end, well that would have changed the story completely. I think his character had more appeal because he bit it. It left us as fans wanting more, or wishing for more....and more was delivered in Macross Zero. We got more Roy, just like we asked. Personally, I wanted to see him more in the VF-1S but can't have everything I guess.

[Sundown]

I was just jabbing the whole "Without the rest of the SDF team to keep him in check we get mecha boobies" sentiment.

I thought it was kind of absurd and figured I'd take a bit of time to actually pull the credits up instead of just speculating idly.

But that's so fuuun. I guess I stand corrected. But mecha boobies are still unexcusable, and so is the fact that Kawamori had anything to do with it.

[JB0]

I was just jabbing the whole "Without the rest of the SDF team to keep him in check we get mecha boobies" sentiment.

I thought it was kind of absurd and figured I'd take a bit of time to actually pull the credits up instead of just speculating idly.

But that's so fuuun. I guess I stand corrected. But mecha boobies are still unexcusable, and so is the fact that Kawamori had anything to do with it.

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But MECHS. With BOOBS.

The only way it could be better is if there were missiles in there!

[Nightbat]

Hmm, Roy could've lived, as a crippled or something

that's one thing you hardly see in SDF: handicapped warveterans

storywise it would've created another great dramatic twist

THE ace of the SDF-1, paralyzed, blinded or whatever

just think how his role as "sempai"" would've had more impact

"once a proud and strong warrior, now...." and all that stuff

[Sumdumgai]

The Q-raus have titty cannons... A system not kept for the YF-21/VF-22 fortunately or unfortunately, because I always found it funny that Miria shot people to death with her boobs.