taksraven Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 I propose the VF-30 "Avenger"... Sorry, I think that your proposed weapon already exists in anime...... http://www.chronicsite.com/gatchaman/fightermechs.html Look at the last mecha on the page. Similar concept you might agree. Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Awesome! A paper airplane turned into a mechanical aircraft! That flip out sword looks to be very effective on the yellow vajra. That thing looks like it would to much more damage than the VF-25's knife, on mecha, on vajra, and on zentraedi... On the other hand with the knife, you're less limited in attack motions since it's not fixed to the arm. To me the VF-27 is a SV-51 combined with a VF-4 with some touches of the YF-21/VF-22. addition: I went back and watched the "next time" at the end of episode 13. It looks like the VF-171 is using the VF-17 stealth gunpod. If you go frame by frame as the VF-171 takes out the red vajra with its gunpod, you can see most of the gunpod all the way to the collapsible buttstock. All the details look right, I just didn't notice the forward side grip. Edited July 8, 2008 by Sumdumgai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hhahah...nice design for VF-30. Transforms from Vic Viper to valkyrie. i just realised that VF-25's cockpit canopy is purely digital and not conventional, if you see it in ep 13 when the valk loses its power. Strange though that they would allow people outside the cockpit to be able to peer into the cockpit making it easier for headshots by Brera. Doesn't serve any purpose than for cool i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Awesome! A paper airplane turned into a mechanical aircraft! That flip out sword looks to be very effective on the yellow vajra. That thing looks like it would to much more damage than the VF-25's knife, on mecha, on vajra, and on zentraedi... On the other hand with the knife, you're less limited in attack motions since it's not fixed to the arm. To me the VF-27 is a SV-51 combined with a VF-4 with some touches of the YF-21/VF-22. It's more effective because it is bigger, I'd prefer more of a wrist blade gauntlet type thing which is not dissimilar from what the VF-27 has but as said the one there is more like a sword, I'm thinking smaller. I do like the look of the 25's knife those, if you use it right (like in my avatar) it will work just fine. Also you can throw a knife if need be. Edited July 8, 2008 by Master Dex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 sorry if this has been discussed already. is it possible that the dimension eater technology is based or derived someway from the barrier overload of the SDF-1? the concepts seem similar. it sould seem both resulted from an overload or irregularity in fold energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 sorry if this has been discussed already. is it possible that the dimension eater technology is based or derived someway from the barrier overload of the SDF-1? the concepts seem similar. it sould seem both resulted from an overload or irregularity in fold energy. Don't think so as one seems to be super dimenstional energy compared to the other which seems like a black hole/anti-matter sorta thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Don't think so as one seems to be super dimenstional energy compared to the other which seems like a black hole/anti-matter sorta thing. but the zentraedi/33rd fleet referred to it as a fold anomaly, as opposed to a gravity buildup (blackhole) or an anti-matter explosion. since the original barrier had something to do with fold energy, you can theoretically describe the overload and its resulting explosion as a fold anomaly. what if a device was able to simulate the sdf-1 barrier overload, and multiply its effect a millionfold. wouldn't that be almost like the dimension eater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 but the zentraedi/33rd fleet referred to it as a fold anomaly, as opposed to a gravity buildup (blackhole) or an anti-matter explosion. since the original barrier had something to do with fold energy, you can theoretically describe the overload and its resulting explosion as a fold anomaly. what if a device was able to simulate the sdf-1 barrier overload, and multiply its effect a millionfold. wouldn't that be almost like the dimension eater? I'm no expert but i regard the barrier system as something that used SD energy, same with the macross cannon, not "fold energy" as you said. Fold anomaly/blackhole/warp...call it what you want...but generally that's what i feel the dimension eater is. It nullifies dimensions(the super dimension included) and probably if you fired a macross cannon into it, it will just fizzle off. So i view it as an anti-matter/warp sorta weapon. Quite interesting if this is Macross' forray into warp technology ala Gunbuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Is the dimension eater the single most powerful weapon seen in Macross?? (not counting fleets of ships, etc....) I think it must be pretty close. Taksraven Edited July 8, 2008 by taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Is the dimension eater the single most powerful weapon seen in Macross?? (not counting fleets of ships, etc....) I think it must be pretty close. Taksraven i think it is, hands down. no alaska base, grand cannon or misa hayase can survive that one. so it even trumps a fleet of ships, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalzero Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Is the dimension eater the single most powerful weapon seen in Macross?? (not counting fleets of ships, etc....) I think it must be pretty close. Taksraven another question.. did LAI build it? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 another question.. did LAI build it? why? The ultimate weapon so the person who wields it gets the ultimate power? You will always get greedy morons trying crap like that. Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboy00z Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 another question.. did LAI build it? why? It did have the their logo on it didn't it? Maybe it has other purposes like getting ride of space debris or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 It did have the their logo on it didn't it? Maybe it has other purposes like getting ride of space debris or something. I just get the feeling it's going to leave a huge fold dislocation in its wake, so it seems more trouble than it's worth, other than a weapon. Of course, I doubt if they're ever gonna touch on the subject if the area where Galia 4 used to be is just a fold dislocation or not anymore in the show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3v Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 As powerful as it is, it didn't seem to be a fully weaponized piece of equipment seeing as someone had to manually "detonate" it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 As powerful as it is, it didn't seem to be a fully weaponized piece of equipment seeing as someone had to manually "detonate" it. So its a suicide bomb. It had its own stealth mode to hide as a rock and the detonator was quite possibly a 'puppet' on remote control anyway. I think its pretty weaponised, and I think that the manual detonation feature was just to make sure that it went off at *exactly* the right time. Taksraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulendil Ang Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry for asking this, but can anyone post a picture of VF-27 using the PBB sword? I don't recall to see that in episode 13... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry for asking this, but can anyone post a picture of VF-27 using the PBB sword? I don't recall to see that in episode 13... Ask and and ye shall receive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Focker Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 i have a dumb question: what's PBB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulendil Ang Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 i have a dumb question: what's PBB? Pin Point Barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 i have a dumb question: what's PBB? Pin Point Barrier... 'course that knives and swords and what not are PPB oriented is pure speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Focker Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 ahh... thanks. so it's PPB. the first B in PBB threw me off. thought it was particle beam baton or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulendil Ang Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Major Focker: Yeah, it's a typo. Should be more careful next time... VF-25 Messiah: Thanks for the picture! Nice to see VF-27 in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyLuck® Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 another question.. did LAI build it? why? Its like your asking why USA, Russia, Iraq and even N.Korea has Nuclear "Weapons". Take note on the word weapon, com'on weapons are NOT always use for defensive puposes. Sorry for being political hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 I wrote this in the ep.13 thread but it went unnoticed, however since the subject here is on why LAI would make the Dimension Eater, here are 2 theories of mine. I'm actually starting to think LAI may not be as involved as some of us think. Perhaps they are pawns in the grand scheme just as Frontier is and Gallia 4 was. However I really have to wonder why they would develop something like the Dimension Eater. Maybe Grace's people wanted to frame LAI as a fail safe for their plan if their idea of a Vajra/human war didn't play out. Grace's people make the Dimension Eater, make it seem like LAI built it and everyone gets mad at that company. The only problem to this theory is the actual Dimension Eater device was destroyed in it's own Fold Fault explosion (the Zentradi refer to the explosion as an unidentified fold fault forming). On that note though if you reverse it, there is a very easy way to pin down exactly why LAI would make the Dimension Eater. As I said above the Zentradi referred to the explosion as an unidentified Fold Fault forming. We know LAI just created a new fold booster can that go through fold faults and shorten trips in fold space substantially. If LAI were to suddenly have a bunch of Fold Faults popping up all over the galaxy then their new booster would be the only thing that could allow anyone to get anywhere because conventional folding would be severely hindered. It almost seems too perfect right there. However this doesn't explain the relation to Grace's faction or the Vajra at all and may not have anything to do with it. Perhaps that is why LAI made the Dimension Eater but Grace is certainly using it for the purpose of getting the Vajra and the NUNS angry at each other, not to help LAI's unscrupulous buisness ventures. So I think we still don't have nearly enough information to draw a suitable conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoReverse Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Why not the experimental fold booster had a catastrophic flaw that results in the dimension eater? Maybe that's why Luca said to be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Is the dimension eater the single most powerful weapon seen in Macross?? (not counting fleets of ships, etc....) I think it must be pretty close. Taksraven We've yet to learn the final destructive effects of the Dimension Eater. If it actually destroyed Gallia 4 down to the core, then it would ideed by far more powerful than even a Zentradi main fleet or the Grand Cannon. Though admittedly, we've only seen a brief slavo from a Zentradi Main Fleet and not seen what could done given several hours or days of bombardment. But the Dimension Eater seems to do the most damage in the least amount of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 I just get the feeling it's going to leave a huge fold dislocation in its wake, so it seems more trouble than it's worth, other than a weapon. Of course, I doubt if they're ever gonna touch on the subject if the area where Galia 4 used to be is just a fold dislocation or not anymore in the show... actually, this is an interesting concept you have there. a relation between the dimension eater and the fold dislocations is likely given the amount of discussion the fold dislocations have been getting. so the dimension eater not only destroys, it literally takes it away, or eats the dimension it is in, rendering it a null or anti-matter part of the galaxy where a fold cannot take place. hence, the name. given that LAI has been researching extensively on the nature of the fold dislocation, and that they had finally developed fold technology that can go around it, it would also follow that they would have developed a weapon based on the very fold dislocation phenomenon that they were studying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 We've yet to learn the final destructive effects of the Dimension Eater. If it actually destroyed Gallia 4 down to the core, then it would ideed by far more powerful than even a Zentradi main fleet or the Grand Cannon. Though admittedly, we've only seen a brief slavo from a Zentradi Main Fleet and not seen what could done given several hours or days of bombardment. But the Dimension Eater seems to do the most damage in the least amount of time yeah, it's the speed of the destruction that is impressive about the dimension eater. from a small anti-matter/blackhole, it gathered enough mass in a short amount of time to cover a quarter of the planet. I don't know how high alto's and michael's altitude was when they dimension eater was activated, but i got the impression that they were already in the upper atmosphere... and still the dimension eater was almost able to catch up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 actually, this is an interesting concept you have there. a relation between the dimension eater and the fold dislocations is likely given the amount of discussion the fold dislocations have been getting. so the dimension eater not only destroys, it literally takes it away, or eats the dimension it is in, rendering it a null or anti-matter part of the galaxy where a fold cannot take place. hence, the name. given that LAI has been researching extensively on the nature of the fold dislocation, and that they had finally developed fold technology that can go around it, it would also follow that they would have developed a weapon based on the very fold dislocation phenomenon that they were studying. I always assumed the dimension eater was just a colorful name for what is essentially a machine that creates fold dislocations. Just before it swallows the Zentradi ship on Galia 4, the crew more or less confirmed it when they yell "an unknown fold dislocation is heading this way." And yes I agree fold dislocations have been getting a lot of discussion in the show, though their nature is still kind of unclear. Which reminds me... hadn't the timeline been modified to include mentions of space room abberations?? Could it be possible that those are what're called fold dislocations in the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 I'm going out on a limb here, but here's another possible theory. Perhaps the dimension eater originally started out as a device designed to destroy fold dislocations, but somehow malfunctioned and created them. LAI could have ordered it destroyed, but other individuals had different ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalzero Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 in episode 11 i think, when SMS Macross quarter was launched to rescue the remaining surviving ships from Macross Galaxy... Have you noticed mr. Bilrer's and Leon's reaction when the Vajra battleship came? Mr. Bilrer is wearing a ring with a purple gem similar to Sheryl's earings... And one more thing, the Vajra's Battleship was equipped with a new technology ( based on to Luca's reaction) a fold reactor? Is LAI people interested on the Vajra technology? hmm Mr. Bilrer, Leon, Grace Brera ..................... What relationship do these people have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm going out on a limb here, but here's another possible theory. Perhaps the dimension eater originally started out as a device designed to destroy fold dislocations, but somehow malfunctioned and created them. LAI could have ordered it destroyed, but other individuals had different ideas. Probably, but I was thinking that the Dimension Eater are made for weapon. Probably some LAI staff are on Macross 7 when Gigile went berserk and consumed the entire planet Rax/Lux. The dimension eater could be made based on that. Well, dimension eater>>>reaction missiles. Put one in a Zentran mobile fortress, bye bye fortress and escort fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoReverse Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 It's still a bit strange that the letters LAI is stenciled on the device. Is there a really a need for the corporate logo to be placed on such a device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 For all your needs, from aerospace manufacturing to weapons of galactic mass destruction, LAI is a one-stop military shopping experience you won't soon forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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