RedWolf Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 They should do an OVA about the fall of the old UN Spacy administration. Sort of a political thriller with large-scale fleet engagements. Would do great in the current funny series, serious OVA ... series. So basically make an OVA mini-series of Macross VF-X2 about the exploits of one Aegis Focker and how he saves Earth and the rest of New UN from the corrupt UN Spacy Commander Wilbur Garland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 it's just your imagination. there was no retcon, Macross II isn't going to be made cannon, there is no conspiracy Never say never.... If there is a will to do so (granted not as the M2 story currently exists), it could happen. Anyway, the reorganization of Spacy is a possible result of the events of the VF-X2 game, however, nothing has been published to confirm it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkReaper Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Well, it could have been Eden that staged a coup to overthrow the corrupt government. Would make great cameo opportunities for both pilots and fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchizophrenicMC Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 ... I'm still all in for the so-called, wanted "Macross Arena" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) It appears that the U.N. Spacy has also been reorganized into the NUNS in Macross II... U.N. Spacy was not reorganized into NUNS in Macross II. That's just a false urban legend that's grown long in tooth. This is Animation Special 5 clearly refers to the military in Macross II as "U.N. Spacy." Also, the military uniforms in Macross II display the "UNS" acronym. See the right sleeve in the picture below. So where did all this NUNS nonsense come from? NUNS is a news station in Macross II. It's never explained what NUNS stands for, it could be "News of U.N. Spacy" or "Network of U.N. Spacy." My guess is that NUNS is the official news division of U.N. Spacy. NUNS makes use of the flying kite, they broadcast military propoganda, and they're in charge of broadcasting the Moon Festival. Below is a picture of a NUNS reporter interviewing a victim, note the spiffy NUNS logo on the microphone. Edited February 4, 2009 by TheLoneWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josue Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 U.N. Spacy was not reorganized into NUNS in Macross II. That's just a false urban legend that's grown long in tooth. This is Animation Special 5 clearly refers to the military in Macross II as "U.N. Spacy." Also, the military uniforms in Macross II display the "UNS" acronym. See the right sleeve in the picture below. So where did all this NUNS nonsense come from? NUNS is a news station in Macross II. It's never explained what NUNS stands for, it could be "News of U.N. Spacy" or "Network of U.N. Spacy." My guess is that NUNS is the official news division of U.N. Spacy. NUNS makes use of the flying kite, they broadcast military propoganda, and they're in charge of broadcasting the Moon Festival. Below is a picture of a NUNS reporter interviewing a victim, note the spiffy NUNS logo on the microphone. Actually I was reorganized from United Nations Goverment into the New United Nations Goverment. UNS to NUNS (United Nations Spacy to New United Nations Spacy) As Macross II was set in 2090 it stands to reason that it changed too. Leaving that aside we can say that maybe there's an error in continuity (not the first) and if you see the "Super Dimensional History Account" in the Macross Ace magazine (pages 6,7) it seems that the Macross II plot has been finally included in the cannon timeline (well, that's what I speculate with this). But in the end... who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Actually I was reorganized from United Nations Goverment into the New United Nations Goverment. That's true with regards to SDF Macross. But Macross II is based off of DYRL. As Macross II was set in 2090 it stands to reason that it changed too. Macross II is actually set in 2092. And I've provided an official publication stating that it is, in fact, just "U.N. Spacy" in Macross II. Can you provide any official publication stating otherwise? if you see the "Super Dimensional History Account" in the Macross Ace magazine (pages 6,7) it seems that the Macross II plot has been finally included in the cannon timeline (well, that's what I speculate with this). I haven't picked up Macross Ace, but Macross II is now canon? Can anyone confirm or deny this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Actually I was reorganized from United Nations Goverment into the New United Nations Goverment. UNS to NUNS (United Nations Spacy to New United Nations Spacy) As Macross II was set in 2090 it stands to reason that it changed too. Leaving that aside we can say that maybe there's an error in continuity (not the first) and if you see the "Super Dimensional History Account" in the Macross Ace magazine (pages 6,7) it seems that the Macross II plot has been finally included in the cannon timeline (well, that's what I speculate with this). But in the end... who knows? If one checks "Perfect Memory", there are references to New UN Spacy (NUNS) in that too. Now, the question is: is it "new UN Spacy" (as in post-SWI, humanity is rebuilding, we are the renewed/reorganized UNS), or "New UN Spacy" (where the adjective is permanently part of the name, as in New York city.) Macross F is clearly New UN Spacy. Macross II? See the Lone Wolf's posts and attached images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I haven't picked up Macross Ace, but Macross II is now canon? Can anyone confirm or deny this? It's in the "Super Dimension(al) History" of Macross section. It does not say anything expressly stating that it is canon. However, in Big West's viewpoint, it's always been canon (as in, a Macross production.) Studio Nue's canon... hasn't been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I haven't picked up Macross Ace, but Macross II is now canon? Can anyone confirm or deny this? While it is true that they have a brief Macross Timeline in Macross Ace that lists Macross II as 2090, and doesn't say it's an alternate continuity, I don't think this means that they're planning on bringing it in line with the others. Simple reason: Macross Chronicle still treats it as non-canonical. Chronicle is the Macross Bible, Macross Ace is the Apocrypha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 It's in the "Super Dimension(al) History" of Macross section. It does not say anything expressly stating that it is canon. However, in Big West's viewpoint, it's always been canon (as in, a Macross production.) Studio Nue's canon... hasn't been changed. Thanks for the confirmation, sketchley. I agree that Macross II has always been, and always will be, an official Macross series. But for the sake of clarity, I prefer to refer to Macross II as merely an "official" series and the Studio Nue productions as "canon" series. While it is true that they have a brief Macross Timeline in Macross Ace that lists Macross II as 2090 Wonderful, another contradiction. The linear notes for Japanese Macross II OST states that Macross II occurs in 2092. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josue Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 You would think that being published by the same company would make it easier for them to check facts between publications... but noooo they have to do a half a..ed fact check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 You would think that being published by the same company would make it easier for them to check facts between publications... but noooo they have to do a half a..ed fact check. To be fair, Macross Chronicle has so far been silent about exactly when Macross II takes place. It may be that the soundtrack liner notes are in error, or it may be that Macross Ace is. We really don't know yet. But, for me at least, I'll go with whatever Chronicle eventually decides to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Actually I was reorganized from United Nations Goverment into the New United Nations Goverment. UNS to NUNS (United Nations Spacy to New United Nations Spacy) As Macross II was set in 2090 it stands to reason that it changed too. Leaving that aside we can say that maybe there's an error in continuity (not the first) and if you see the "Super Dimensional History Account" in the Macross Ace magazine (pages 6,7) it seems that the Macross II plot has been finally included in the cannon timeline (well, that's what I speculate with this). But in the end... who knows? in official continuity, the united nations government and the UN spacy were reorganized into the New UN and NUNS either right after the end of SWI (and the fact it's still called UNS is an error in subsequent material) or in about 2051 right after VF-X2. in Macross II, which is in the 2090's, the UNS still exists, and the NUNS is a military news network. so the whole nuns thing in MacII is actually proof against MacII being cannon. and it's presence in a macross ace (a magazine full of Non-cannon stories) does not make it part of official cannon. it will only be official cannon when SK/Studio Nue says it is, and they aren't going to do it. I haven't picked up Macross Ace, but Macross II is now canon? Can anyone confirm or deny this? it is still NOT cannon, and it never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 U.N. Spacy was not reorganized into NUNS in Macross II. That's just a false urban legend that's grown long in tooth. This is Animation Special 5 clearly refers to the military in Macross II as "U.N. Spacy." Also, the military uniforms in Macross II display the "UNS" acronym. See the right sleeve in the picture below. So where did all this NUNS nonsense come from? NUNS is a news station in Macross II. It's never explained what NUNS stands for, it could be "News of U.N. Spacy" or "Network of U.N. Spacy." My guess is that NUNS is the official news division of U.N. Spacy. NUNS makes use of the flying kite, they broadcast military propoganda, and they're in charge of broadcasting the Moon Festival. Below is a picture of a NUNS reporter interviewing a victim, note the spiffy NUNS logo on the microphone. I wouldn't go so far as to call it an urban legend, it's really more of an educated guess on the parts of many viewers. Strictly speaking, the Macross II alternate universe's official timeline (as published in B-Club) makes no mention of the formation of a New United Nations Government or New U.N. Spacy. Of course, that cannot be taken as an outright denial of the existence of either organization, since the timeline glosses over all but the most important details between the end of Space War 1 in 2010 and the attack of the Neld Fleet in 2036, and focuses mainly on the development of the variable fighters. I'll get in to what it DOES mention in just a sec. Realistically, we could go either way. Since DYRL was a condensed version of the TV series with only some of the events changed, it seems reasonable for there to have been a New United Nations Government established in the wake of Space War 1. Of course, since NUNS does show up, particularly in the government's propaganda broadcasts, it would make sense for it to be the name of their media bureau as well. Now, to business... Since the timeline B-Club published isn't a general historical overview, but rather a history of variable fighters in the Macross II alternate universe, it doesn't really offer a lot of help covering historical milestones, though it does make mention of the major events and stories. It attributes the lack of new variable fighter designs between 2014 and 2060 to the drain on resources imposed by the Earth reclamation project, rebuilding the fleet, and the ongoing efforts to colonize other planets. As a result, the VF-1 and VF-4 remain in service far longer than in the main timeline, receiving periodic technology upgrades including the VF-1R's SP-II super parts, and the eventual introduction of funnels to the VF-4S's super parts in 2037. As far as historical milestones, it mentions the end of Space War 1 in 2010, the launch of the SDF-2 Megaroad-01 in 2014 (yes, 2014!), a few Zentradi raids between 2010 and 2018, the introduction of the VF-1R in the 2020s, the death of Dr. H. Takachihoff (the father of the VF-1 and VF-1R) in 2030, the return of Quamzin with the Neld Fleet in 2036, the Burado fleet in 2037, the start of an eight month war with the Zentradi on May 5, 2054 which culminated in the loss of the fmr. Adoclas fleet and the capture of another factory satellite, the development of the VF-XX in the 2060s, the introduction of the VF-2 in 2072, the VF-2SS in 2081, a Zentradi invasion in 2082 (the invasion Sylvie Gena refers to in the OVA), the introduction of the VF-2JA in 2086, and the Mardook invasion in 2092. Now if you want a CONCRETE, iron-clad case of Kawamori stealing plot elements from the alternate universe... let's start with the use of Macross-class super dimension fortresses in colonization missions. The alternate universe timeline published in 1992 mentions that the 2054 war was kicked off by a Zentradi attack on the Million Star(s), a Macross-class colonization ship, only 1.8 light years from Earth on May 5, 2054. Now we've got Chronicle claiming that each and every Megaroad mission had one (or more) escorting it some 16 years after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) On the subject of WHEN precisely Macross II takes place... we have one answer that fits the available evidence: We have the timeline published in B-Club magazine that offers the year 2082 as the last Zentradi invasion. Sylvie Gena explicitly states that it has been ten years since the last Zentradi invasion, Hibiki confirms the last Zentradi attack was ten years ago when he tries to talk the producer into letting him cover the battle at MA-224, and Mash states that the SDF-1 brought culture to the Zentradi approximately eighty years previously. This agrees with other sources, namely the soundtrack booklets, which explicitly attribute the war with the Mardook to 2092. Furthermore, 2092 is exactly 100 years from the date when the OVA was released, and honestly... that doesn't look coincidental. I think it's a pretty safe bet that Macross Ace is dead wrong on this issue, as it contradicts pretty much everything else that's out there as far as official source materials go. Reintroducing Macross II to the main timeline would entail tossing out quite literally all the previously established continuity for the alternate universe, and thinking up an excuse for the Zentradi suddenly becoming a tangible threat to humanity again... they've been borderline comic relief in the main timeline since 2045. Edited February 4, 2009 by Seto Kaiba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 U.N. Spacy was not reorganized into NUNS in Macross II. That's just a false urban legend that's grown long in tooth. This is Animation Special 5 clearly refers to the military in Macross II as "U.N. Spacy." Also, the military uniforms in Macross II display the "UNS" acronym. See the right sleeve in the picture below. So where did all this NUNS nonsense come from? NUNS is a news station in Macross II. It's never explained what NUNS stands for, it could be "News of U.N. Spacy" or "Network of U.N. Spacy." My guess is that NUNS is the official news division of U.N. Spacy. NUNS makes use of the flying kite, they broadcast military propoganda, and they're in charge of broadcasting the Moon Festival. Below is a picture of a NUNS reporter interviewing a victim, note the spiffy NUNS logo on the microphone. I knew someone objected about this before, but I had forgotten the details. I've made changes to my Macropedia and will upload a new version in the next update. Thanks again TheLoneWolf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross GURU Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 March, I modified three of the VF-19P pics to represent what think the colony export edition of the 19P looks like with out the Lawrence equipment. Here they are... What do you think? [note: I did my best with the crummy progs I had available, there are a few lines I need to clean up ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Very nice. Considering you had only the gifs to work with, it looks quite smooth. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchizophrenicMC Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) Very nice. Considering you had only the gifs to work with, it looks quite smooth. Well done. Hey, I convert your GIFs to PNGs before I begin working on my custom colorations, most of which are in the gallery... And I do them in paint! Guru: No disrespeck. Those are still damn good. Edited February 6, 2009 by SchizophrenicMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diabloM Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 is it animation error ? someone has just pointed out that virgin road in tv series is a 2 seater 1a based on the head unit of the valk... has this been discussed? sorry and ignore this post if it isnt an issue anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross GURU Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) Hey, I convert your GIFs to PNGs before I begin working on my custom colorations, most of which are in the gallery... And I do them in paint! Guru: No disrespeck. Those are still damn good. lol yeh!? So not bad for a guy using a 15 year old program and ms paint lol. All my good software died with my last HD crash. I have a couple color renditions coming up. Thank you March and MC. Does anyone have any pictures of the Black Rainbow VF-17S colors from VF-X2? Edited February 7, 2009 by Macross GURU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 is it animation error ? someone has just pointed out that virgin road in tv series is a 2 seater 1a based on the head unit of the valk... has this been discussed? sorry and ignore this post if it isnt an issue anymore. It's a VF-1D trainer like the first Valkyrie Hikaru piloted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diabloM Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) i have just rewatched the episode: the head unit has single cannon... Edited February 7, 2009 by diabloM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker4meltrans Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Milia was a tiny little thing. maybe she just sat behind the pilot's seat on a milk crate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 i have just rewatched the episode: the head unit has single cannon... If you're looking for animation consistency and authoritativeness in that episode, I have two words for you: KNIFE FIGHT. None of the art in that episode is anything you can take as "proof" of anything. Even when they get something right, it's just the animators getting lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 The animation of the Virgin Road Valkyrie is inconsistent. I decided to base the valkyrie off the official model kit, which is a VF-1D variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The animation of the Virgin Road Valkyrie is inconsistent. I decided to base the valkyrie off the official model kit, which is a VF-1D variant. Isn't that also how it's shown in Perfect Memory...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Isn't that also how it's shown in Perfect Memory...? I just looked through my Perfect Memory book and it only shows a two seat fighter but no detail on the head, at least in the "Visual Story" section, don't know if it's anywhere else. The cockpit at least is definitely a -1D. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I just looked through my Perfect Memory book and it only shows a two seat fighter but no detail on the head, at least in the "Visual Story" section, don't know if it's anywhere else. The cockpit at least is definitely a -1D. Vostok 7 Hmm...I may be thinking of the TIAS... But the Macross Chronicle (VF-1J Sheet 02B) definitely calls it a VF-1D in the Extra Report, so I hope that settles it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hmm...I may be thinking of the TIAS... But the Macross Chronicle (VF-1J Sheet 02B) definitely calls it a VF-1D in the Extra Report, so I hope that settles it. Well, that and the Hasegawa kit was a -1D, and so far most everything Hasegawa has done has been considered canon. But Macross Chronicle is probably the end-word, though. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hmm...I may be thinking of the TIAS... But the Macross Chronicle (VF-1J Sheet 02B) definitely calls it a VF-1D in the Extra Report, so I hope that settles it. Oh, I love that picture from the Chronicle. It shows a screen shot from the anime that depicts the Virgin Road Valkyrie as a VF-1A, but the color scheme is that of Max's VF-1J, yet the text describes it as a VF-1D But yeah, it's supposed to be a 1D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchizophrenicMC Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 lol yeh!? So not bad for a guy using a 15 year old program and ms paint lol. All my good software died with my last HD crash. I have a couple color renditions coming up. Thank you March and MC. Does anyone have any pictures of the Black Rainbow VF-17S colors from VF-X2? They could be better... Actually, after attempting to use GIMP and Photoshop for my customs, I've decided that the long way (Paint) renders better results. My VF-1S is proof. If you're looking for animation consistency and authoritativeness in that episode, I have two words for you: KNIFE FIGHT. None of the art in that episode is anything you can take as "proof" of anything. Even when they get something right, it's just the animators getting lucky. Is it ever? Oh, I love that picture from the Chronicle. It shows a screen shot from the anime that depicts the Virgin Road Valkyrie as a VF-1A, but the color scheme is that of Max's VF-1J, yet the text describes it as a VF-1D But yeah, it's supposed to be a 1D So... The animators were high again? It would seem they spent the entire series on a non-info high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross GURU Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 It just occurred to me that Shinsei Industries loosely translates to Nova Industries, 'shinsei' being 'new star' respectively perhaps also mean Nova. Of course this is a mere guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 As I recall, it only SORTA looks like a 1A head anyways. It mainly looks like someone held a blowtorch to the head until it got runny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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