buddhafabio Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 (edited) It seems to me that the Japanese don't really care about chara/mecha from one show guest appearing in another. However, just imagine the fuss in the US, if for example an episode of Star Trek featured an X-Wing. King George would propably throw a fit Graham true but a battle like that would probably save both scifi franchises. a startrek vs. star wars battle is a scifi nerds wet dream Edited February 20, 2004 by buddhafabio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 It seems to me that the Japanese don't really care about chara/mecha from one show guest appearing in another. However, just imagine the fuss in the US, if for example an episode of Star Trek featured an X-Wing. King George would propably throw a fit Graham true but a battle like that would probably save both scifi franchises. a startrek vs. star wars battle is a scifi nerds wet dream Back when I was a real geek and into Star Wars and Star Trek (not as much), my friends and I had huge debates about the Enterprise vs. Star Wars stuff Ah, those were the days. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 (edited) Anyone see the trailer for Star Warped? Turns into Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek. Nicely done so far. Satire is one thing. Stuff like Star Warped is meant to be funny, and also fan made. Parody and homage are cool, as said above. Late-shows would be nowhere as good without it. HG's practices are nowhere near so innocent. They plaigarize everything they can to use in RT. From the HCM for the MPC, and now this stuff. A -19 on the cover or a Mospaeda comic signals bad things for what they have planned inside the book. I think it may be a matter of time before we see a transformed VF-4 at this rate. An actual VF-4 transformation on the VF-X-4 (YF-4 as they call it), no attempt at changing it. Edited February 20, 2004 by Anubis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 (edited) come to think of it i heard there was an easter egg in the phantom menace. the shot of when the heros make it to corrosant (misspelled) you breifly see voyager. found link (sorry for popups)eeggs and this person claims Klingons are in the senateklingons Edited February 20, 2004 by buddhafabio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 come to think of it i heard there was an easter egg in the phantom menace. the shot of when the heros make it to corrosant (misspelled) you breifly see voyager.found link (sorry for popups)eeggs and this person claims Klingons are in the senateklingons ET is also in the movie... with a bunch of its kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Gonzo Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 (edited) true but a battle like that would probably save both scifi franchises. a startrek vs. star wars battle is a scifi nerds wet dream Er, try not to stain the sheets then... Edited February 20, 2004 by Doktor Gonzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 What, like Thumb wars was officially licensed by Lucas? Parody law is what allows Weird Al Yankovic to eat. It's why the death star can be talked about in Clerks, the mighty robots from Battlestar Galactica can fight the gay robots from Star Wars on the simpsons, etc.As long as it's not something that's claimed to be an official original part of the story, it falls under parody. Actually companies go after parody uses of their trade marks all the time. Not necessarily because they're trying to be dicks (though I think some of them are), but because that's how the system works. The person(s) making the parody then have to show that the trade marked item is being used in a humorous or satirical manner (it has nothing to do with trying to be official or not). For what it's worth, Weird Al always gets permission from the original artist before making a parody of a song. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 For what it's worth, Weird Al always gets permission from the original artist before making a parody of a song. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Except from Coolio, who says his label gave permission without his consent. As Weird Al says: "Hey, he hasn't returned any of the checks we sent him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom64ss Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 For what it's worth, Weird Al always gets permission from the original artist before making a parody of a song. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Except from Coolio, who says his label gave permission without his consent. As Weird Al says: "Hey, he hasn't returned any of the checks we sent him." Sad thing about people like Coolio and eminem getting offended by Weird Al's parodies is that they're both too stupid to realize the should be flattered. Weird Al doing parodies of their songs puts them in a class with Nirvana, Queen, Madonna, The Kinks, The Police, and Michael Jackson (back when he was still mostly black, and respected.......um, kind of). Those 6 bands/artists alone are some of the biggest pop icons and influencial artists in the last 4 decades of music. It'd be like getting offended at someone for nominating them into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Morons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 If Trash were dropped due to lack of projected interest, all official records of its announcement wouldn't have dissapeared without any signs whatsoever left. Obviously a legal smack-down. ... You don't have any evidence of that, you're out of your element. I think your heart is in the right place (Macross) but YOU need not make sweeping statments about things you know nothing about... It derails threads. My ass, your lack of evidence and sweeping statement about my sweeping statement & lack of evidence (be it very likely) is what derails threads. And that my friend is eactly my element! Keith I am not calling you a sissy-retard, this time. I am however telling you, you have no information... None of us do, so stop making stuff up. And what did I make up now? The fact that all information on the release dissapeared without any sign or comment whatsoever from Tokyo Pop or HG? If it were a simple matter of lack of interest, they wouldn't have sought the license, & announced having it in the first place ... Just because YOU didn't see any comment doesn't mean a thing. You have some seriously backwards logic... You are the only guy (if you still consider yourself that) who can argue a point with a 'lack of information', as grounds for your opinion. You are so incredibly stupid; this is like the 10th time I have come down on you for the same kind of idiocy. You should be put to sleep, I mean that just out of pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 I wonder who they are going to get to do the music for Robotech 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Boys, boys--play nice! Regardless of what Keith may have said on other topics, in this case he clearly labelled his opinion as a guess: My personal guess, they licensed it from the french company releasing it instead of Big West. It's a theory, a hypothesis. It can be proved or disproved based on further evidence, if evidence is ever forthcoming. (In fact, I'd say it was disproved later in the thread.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 (edited) Agent One- Although I do understand your reasoning for argument, I also came to, and still believe, the same conclusion as Keith, based on about the same information. Coming to a conclusion such as this isn't the wild leap of insane logic you make it out to be. Now maybe one can be held accountable for arguing it as truth instead of theory, but I'm not going to say anything on that. edit:m spling Edited February 20, 2004 by the white drew carey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom64ss Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Yayyy!!! A semantics war!!! If Keith had wrote: If Trash were dropped due to lack of projected interest, all official records of its announcement probably wouldn't have dissapeared without any signs whatsoever left. I think it was probably a legal smack-down. ... instead of: If Trash were dropped due to lack of projected interest, all official records of its announcement wouldn't have dissapeared without any signs whatsoever left. Obviously a legal smack-down. ... ..it would sound like what it really is, a hypothesis. "Conclusion" means a proven answer, which it wasn't. You can even draw a conclusion with very few facts, but in this case, there wasn't any facts at all except "it was there one day and gone the next". Anyways, considering the bad blood between the Macross and RT camps, stealing the image of the YF-19 is fuct. It'd be like if the Yankees lined up for a team photo and A. Rod was wearing Babe Ruth's old Red Sox jersey. It may seem funny to some, but would really be in poor taste and show a complete lack of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Agent One- Although I do understand your reasoning for argument, I also came to, and still believe, the same conclusion as Keith, based on about the same information. Coming to a conclusion such as this isn't the wild leap of insane logic you make it out to be. Now maybe one can be held accountable for arguing it as truth instead of theory, but I'm not going to say anything on that. edit:m spling Re-read the conversation. He makes assertions, not assesments, with zero information. What you quoted wasn't what I was talking about, but I really don't care to discuss Keith, or his shortcomings as a member. He just needs to get out of candy land and discover why he doesn't get respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 (edited) There is no ifs ands or buts that Macross 7 Trash was canned because Harmony Gold and Tokyo Pop went over Big West's heads and when BW found out, BW said no because HG and TP didn't properly license it through Big West. (I have my sources) Edited February 21, 2004 by Apollo Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 There is no ifs ands or buts that Macross 7 Trash was canned because Harmony Gold and Tokyo Pop went over Big West's heads and when BW found out, BW said no because HG and TP didn't properly license it through Big West. (I have my sources) I believe YOU. You deal with facts and reality. I think we may have the same source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Anyways, considering the bad blood between the Macross and RT camps, stealing the image of the YF-19 is fuct. It'd be like if the Yankees lined up for a team photo and A. Rod was wearing Babe Ruth's old Red Sox jersey. It may seem funny to some, but would really be in poor taste and show a complete lack of respect. As a Red Sox fan I take offense at just the mention of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 You know what the problem is? While HG might claim that confusing is whats keeping Macross from being heavily market as something different from RT..... Macross Plus is well known to the anime community. They can't just sneak them in a comic and expect ppl to swallow it. Back in the day ppl didn't have access to the original shows..... but this time ppl have had access to Macross Plus for years... they are not dealing with some unknown piece of anime design. I once again vote for a simple homage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Mod says: Your welcome to repost an edited cleaner version of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioss Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 (edited) As far as I know, Big West is responsible for the cancellation of the US release of Macross 7 Trash. I asked one of the Harmony Gold people in Robotech.com chat and, I don't remember the response exactly because it was a while back, but it sounded like they blamed Big West. edit: Never mind. HG's word doesn't prove anything. Edited February 21, 2004 by Legioss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Okay, looks like a false alarm. Some of the posters at RT.com started alluding to an informal gathering they'd had with Tommy Yune in LA a short time ago, and this story came from sktchrtst2002: The whole chat at the gathering was over the artist doing the INVASION series drawing the wrong type of spacecraft and how Tommy caught it in time, before it went to press.The fact this Illustration got onto the net just goes to show you that no matter how close you supervise that the right items are drawn, occasionally a piece will get through! If anything Tommy will have some heads rolling at the art studios!! And then came alphavt Rank: Commander Subject: I was talking with Mr. Yune about this Thursday morning Posted On: February 21, 2004 - 10:04:01 AM Edited On: February 21, 2004 - 10:06:17 AM Clearly there's nothing to worry about. It's a sketch, not a cover. Me (5:33:35 AM): The vehicle on the cover of #5...rtsurfer identified it as a VF-19 Mr. Yune (5:34:23 AM): it's a rough sketch that Takeshi Miyazawa submitted to get the Robotech gig -- it got leaked out in place of the #5 cover Mr. Yune (5:34:54 AM): no big deal -- but I'm sure the MW folks must be flying off the handle or something So as far as this item is concerned, it doesn't look like HG is trying to use Macross Plus images. Also, Cyc is correct about the artist--it's Miyazawa, not Yune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 (edited) Okay, looks like a false alarm. Some of the posters at RT.com started alluding to an informal gathering they'd had with Tommy Yune in LA a short time ago, and this story came from sktchrtst2002:The whole chat at the gathering was over the artist doing the INVASION series drawing the wrong type of spacecraft and how Tommy caught it in time, before it went to press.The fact this Illustration got onto the net just goes to show you that no matter how close you supervise that the right items are drawn, occasionally a piece will get through! If anything Tommy will have some heads rolling at the art studios!! And then came alphavt Rank: Commander Subject: I was talking with Mr. Yune about this Thursday morning Posted On: February 21, 2004 - 10:04:01 AM Edited On: February 21, 2004 - 10:06:17 AM Clearly there's nothing to worry about. It's a sketch, not a cover. Me (5:33:35 AM): The vehicle on the cover of #5...rtsurfer identified it as a VF-19 Mr. Yune (5:34:23 AM): it's a rough sketch that Takeshi Miyazawa submitted to get the Robotech gig -- it got leaked out in place of the #5 cover Mr. Yune (5:34:54 AM): no big deal -- but I'm sure the MW folks must be flying off the handle or something So as far as this item is concerned, it doesn't look like HG is trying to use Macross Plus images. Also, Cyc is correct about the artist--it's Miyazawa, not Yune. Sure it was a mistake . Excuse me for remaining a little skeptical. Drawing the wrong type of aircraft on the cover sketch would have meant something within robotech. Not a YF-19. But ok. Edited February 21, 2004 by Anubis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Regarding the whole Macross 7 Trash thing, again this was a case of Harmony Gold and Tokyo Pop going over Big West's heads. As for there being "not enough interest", if that was the case, Tokyo Pop wouldn't have persued this in the first place or they would have had announced that there wasn't enough interest after a few months. Instead, rt.com and Tokyo Pop yanked their announcements just a few weeks after the original announcements. As for the VF-19 controversy, good to see that there is some clarification on what really happened. At the same time too, though, I think we have a right to be vigilant of Harmony Gold's actions due to this whole licensing mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Okay, looks like a false alarm. Some of the posters at RT.com started alluding to an informal gathering they'd had with Tommy Yune in LA a short time ago, and this story came from sktchrtst2002:The whole chat at the gathering was over the artist doing the INVASION series drawing the wrong type of spacecraft and how Tommy caught it in time, before it went to press.The fact this Illustration got onto the net just goes to show you that no matter how close you supervise that the right items are drawn, occasionally a piece will get through! If anything Tommy will have some heads rolling at the art studios!! And then came alphavt Rank: Commander Subject: I was talking with Mr. Yune about this Thursday morning Posted On: February 21, 2004 - 10:04:01 AM Edited On: February 21, 2004 - 10:06:17 AM Clearly there's nothing to worry about. It's a sketch, not a cover. Me (5:33:35 AM): The vehicle on the cover of #5...rtsurfer identified it as a VF-19 Mr. Yune (5:34:23 AM): it's a rough sketch that Takeshi Miyazawa submitted to get the Robotech gig -- it got leaked out in place of the #5 cover Mr. Yune (5:34:54 AM): no big deal -- but I'm sure the MW folks must be flying off the handle or something So as far as this item is concerned, it doesn't look like HG is trying to use Macross Plus images. Also, Cyc is correct about the artist--it's Miyazawa, not Yune. Sure it was a mistake . Excuse me for remaining a little skeptical. Drawing the wrong type of aircraft on the cover sketch would have meant something within robotech. Not a YF-19. But ok. Hmm.....Hopefully HG keeps it's word AND doesn't include the -19 in there. I'm still somewhat a little bit suspicious towards HG. Is this damage control Agent One? I bet you that they were threading very close to a lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. We ran those bastards off of this message board for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. We ran those bastards off of this message board for a reason. Heh. You think they're bitter? I once saw that somebody had re-registered as "Steve Yun" on the new boards, but sadly he has yet to post anything. Besides, they've got enough synchphants who will appraise them of everything we say or do, however irrelevant it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. Not every one has the patience of budda my friend. And the way you guys aact I'm surpised he hasn't taken many more jabs. Turnabout is fare play, you gave lumps he gave you some back don't whine about or cry he's not playing fare just suck it up and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Not every one has the patience of budda my friend. And the way you guys aact I'm surpised he hasn't taken many more jabs. Turnabout is fare play, you gave lumps he gave you some back don't whine about or cry he's not playing fare just suck it up and move on. Hey, I don't cry when "Robotechfan78" takes a shot at us. In fact, it's sometimes good for a laugh. But I do expect people to comport themselves like professionals. I have opinions about some of my coworkers, customers and rival companies, and you know what? I keep my opinions to myself when I'm discussing them in business circles. You know why? It's because I'm a frakking professional, thats why. Tommy on the other hand...? Well, this is HG we're talking about here. HG and ethics don't especially go hand in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDisco Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Not every one has the patience of budda my friend. And the way you guys aact I'm surpised he hasn't taken many more jabs. Turnabout is fare play, you gave lumps he gave you some back don't whine about or cry he's not playing fare just suck it up and move on. no kidding...and was he wrong? looking at all the angry posts here he was pretty much dead on. seems like whenever RT is mentioned all sense of objectiivty is thrown out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myriad Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 And then came alphavt Rank: Commander Subject: I was talking with Mr. Yune about this Thursday morning Posted On: February 21, 2004 - 10:04:01 AM Edited On: February 21, 2004 - 10:06:17 AM Clearly there's nothing to worry about. It's a sketch, not a cover. Me (5:33:35 AM): The vehicle on the cover of #5...rtsurfer identified it as a VF-19 Mr. Yune (5:34:23 AM): it's a rough sketch that Takeshi Miyazawa submitted to get the Robotech gig -- it got leaked out in place of the #5 cover Mr. Yune (5:34:54 AM): no big deal -- but I'm sure the MW folks must be flying off the handle or something So as far as this item is concerned, it doesn't look like HG is trying to use Macross Plus images. Also, Cyc is correct about the artist--it's Miyazawa, not Yune. You guys may have chased them out of here but they also chased or put chokers on many a MW Member at the RT site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Sama Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. We ran those bastards off of this message board for a reason. elitish behavior is wrong in any context. besides waht do you expect with the general behavior of people towards them. Also he is aprofessional artist not a saint. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I just love how Tommy boy couldn't resist taking a little jab at us. You're truly a freakin' professional, Tommy. Not every one has the patience of budda my friend. And the way you guys aact I'm surpised he hasn't taken many more jabs. Turnabout is fare play, you gave lumps he gave you some back don't whine about or cry he's not playing fare just suck it up and move on. The difference being that he ran away from the only forum where we could debate him, here. No such thing as debate on Robotech.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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