Post Skywalker Saga Star Wars Movies

[danth]

On 6/7/2025 at 2:23 PM, Roy Focker said:

I've got problem with them having post sequels and even sequels in the first place. Star Wars in its original form was a fairytale. As we know fairytales end with "and they lived happily ever after." They vanquished the evil wizard in the original trilogy. Which should have been brought peace to the kingdom, but they undid everything to make the sequels. It is what they'll do again to make the post sequels. Nothing will end. Every final victory against the dark side in a trilogy is basically meaningless because it will all be undone for the next trilogy.

 

On 6/7/2025 at 3:20 PM, Black Valkyrie said:

I don`t care anymore, SW is long gone for me, when Disney purchased the franchise.  I will always have a place in my heart for the OT.  

Same. Let this zombie franchise die. The last six trilogy movies sucked. And movies in general suck now. It's all CGI slop with no heart. 

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

They lost faith after TFA made $2 billion at the box office? That makes no sense.

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

One could say one of the cardinal sins of the sequel trilogy was that it self-sabotaged as a result of trying to please everyone... especally the unpleasable die-hard fans.

Edited yesterday at 05:25 PM by Seto Kaiba

[Duke Togo]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

This is not what happened. 
 

Well, correction, they brought JJ back on board to steer things back toward the first movie after the second one ruffled feathers. That did happen. But there was no change in course after the first one. They've been really open about this: they gave Rian creative control over the second movie. He could do what he wanted, and he did. But there was no change in course after the first movie by Disney or Lucasfilm. The movie was a massive hit and did well with critics.

[renegadeleader1]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

One could say one of the cardinal sins of the sequel trilogy was that it self-sabotaged as a result of trying to please everyone... especally the unpleasable die-hard fans.

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

[Seto Kaiba]

35 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

This is not what happened. 
 

Well, correction, they brought JJ back on board to steer things back toward the first movie after the second one ruffled feathers. That did happen. But there was no change in course after the first one. They've been really open about this: they gave Rian creative control over the second movie. He could do what he wanted, and he did. But there was no change in course after the first movie by Disney or Lucasfilm. The movie was a massive hit and did well with critics.

I stand corrected.  Just one recalibration, not two.

 

30 minutes ago, renegadeleader1 said:

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

Whatever their greatest sin was, it seems like the real test of whether the sequel trilogy era can be made long-term marketable after The Rise of Skywalker is going to be whether Starfighter and New Jedi Order do well.

[Thom]

1 hour ago, renegadeleader1 said:

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

This here.

[Big s]

Star Wars needs some reputation fixing. If they make more good shows and actually deliver a good few movies, even a disliked character like Rey could make a decent comeback. But trying to bring her back too soon would be a huge mistake and putting out garbage before that would be just as big of a mistake. 

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, Big s said:

Star Wars needs some reputation fixing. If they make more good shows and actually deliver a good few movies, even a disliked character like Rey could make a decent comeback. But trying to bring her back too soon would be a huge mistake and putting out garbage before that would be just as big of a mistake. 

Andor was a good first step in that regard.  That said, creating more series and movies on a similar level of quality to Tony Gilroy's work on Rogue One and Andor is a tall order.  So tall that I'd bet against LucasFilm's regulars being able to pull it off.  The main stumbling block is likely going to be LucasFilm CCO Dave Filoni and the sort of people that he tends to hire.  Star Wars superfans don't seem to be able to write Star Wars stories with broad general audience appeal.  They're too close to the subject matter.  So much so, in Filoni's case, that it's allegedly hurting his prospects as a candidate to replace Kathleen Kennedy when she steps down.

IIRC, the next series in the release schedule is Ahsoka season two... which seems unlikely to stick the landing, leaning as heavily as it is on fanservice, even without Andor being an impossible act to follow.

Then again, the future is unwritten and so are these pending films.  They could surprise us all, for good or for ill.

[Big s]

58 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Andor was a good first step in that regard.  That said, creating more series and movies on a similar level of quality to Tony Gilroy's work on Rogue One and Andor is a tall order.  So tall that I'd bet against LucasFilm's regulars being able to pull it off.  The main stumbling block is likely going to be LucasFilm CCO Dave Filoni and the sort of people that he tends to hire.  Star Wars superfans don't seem to be able to write Star Wars stories with broad general audience appeal.  They're too close to the subject matter.  So much so, in Filoni's case, that it's allegedly hurting his prospects as a candidate to replace Kathleen Kennedy when she steps down.

I don’t think everything needs to be another Andor. Skeleton Crew was almost a win. If it could’ve stuck the landing it would be in a category of better shows. The problem isn’t that things need to be more serious , just that they need some more competent writers that can tell a story and not get bogged down by their usual bad choices in the stories.

[Seto Kaiba]

40 minutes ago, Big s said:

I don’t think everything needs to be another Andor. Skeleton Crew was almost a win. If it could’ve stuck the landing it would be in a category of better shows.

What's that old saying? 

"'Close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."?

 

40 minutes ago, Big s said:

The problem isn’t that things need to be more serious , just that they need some more competent writers that can tell a story and not get bogged down by their usual bad choices in the stories.

Oh I'm not saying they have to be more serious.  Being grim all the time is no fun at all... unless you're Warhammer 40,000.

No, what I mean is that they have to focus on developing and telling compelling stories with interesting and well developed characters. They're not going to be able to squeak by with just a never-ending stream of fanservice references to past shows and movies like they're trying to do in Ahsoka.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Oh I'm not saying they have to be more serious.  Being grim all the time is no fun at all... unless you're Warhammer 40,000.

I remember when 40k used to have a lot of absurd fun before it was just grim dark all the time 

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"'Close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."?

 

Pretty sure horse shoes have to be fairly spot on so they don’t break their legs

[Seto Kaiba]

8 hours ago, Big s said:

Pretty sure horse shoes have to be fairly spot on so they don’t break their legs

The old saying refers to "horseshoes" the game, not the process of shoeing horses.

 

8 hours ago, Big s said:

I remember when 40k used to have a lot of absurd fun before it was just grim dark all the time 

Oh, it still does... the humor is in gallows humor and in being comically serious most of the time.

Star Wars, of course, has no such limitations and can (and should) have quite a bit more levity at times.  I do hope they continue to avoid "minstrel" characters like Jar-Jar Binks in the future, though.  There's comic relief and then there's that.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The old saying refers to "horseshoes" the game, not the process of shoeing horses.

 

Not really familiar with the rules of the game, but I’d imagine that if the horseshoes go on wrong, then the horse becomes a hand grenade. 
Poor horse, but I guess that would be why they’d name a game horseshoes and hand grenades