HG and Robotech Debates

[Renato]

I think You're referring to Star Pro.

Thank God for Anime52k8. At least someone pays attention to my posts.

OK, trying to put the fallacies out of commission (again) here: Anime Friend is Hiroshi Iwata's company, the co-produced most of the episodes along with Tatsunoko Productions. Yes, they outsourced some footage to Korean studio Star Pro: It is Star Pro that are the culprits for the off-model bad animation. Lastly, BW/StudioNue are not animation studios, they did not actually animate anything at all.

[Seto Kaiba]

Didn't the UN Spacy kite show up in the historical Legend of Zero episode anyway?

Yes, albeit only briefly... it's only clearly visible in the episode's eyecatch, where they show Alto's VF-25F and then overlay the image of Shin's VF-0(D?) on top of it. It might also be partially visible in the "film" recreation of Macross Zero's final scene, where Shin's wrecked VF-0A is about to crash into the ocean.

As well as the Zero movie they made in Frontier, which still used the original logo.

Keith... the episode where they filmed that WAS "Legend of Zero".

So, yeah... as pointed out already in response to Boxer's query, there's no reason to suspect that the change of logo for the New U.N. Spacy's anything other than an aesthetic choice intended to underline the way the setting'd changed between Macross Dynamite 7 and Macross Frontier.

Edited August 14, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[Jasonc]

Thank God for Anime52k8. At least someone pays attention to my posts.

OK, trying to put the fallacies out of commission (again) here: Anime Friend is Hiroshi Iwata's company, the co-produced most of the episodes along with Tatsunoko Productions. Yes, they outsourced some footage to Korean studio Star Pro: It is Star Pro that are the culprits for the off-model bad animation. Lastly, BW/StudioNue are not animation studios, they did not actually animate anything at all.

Thanks for clearing that up. I knew there were a few studios, and one of them was the reason for having some $h!tty animation, like the Max/Milia knife fight (hideous).

[Keith]

lol, Areaseven just sent me this.

Remember that time China bootlegged Shadow Chronicles to make their own show? Oh wait, that never happened! Robotech big in China eh? hmmm..

Edited August 15, 2010 by Keith

[Funkenstein]

lol, Areaseven just sent me this.

Remember that time China bootlegged Shadow Chronicles to make their own show? Oh wait, that never happened! Robotech big in China eh? hmmm..

Any highlights that you think are notable? Im sure that most of us don't want to watch 9 minutes of people talking about Robotech.

[Jasonc]

I find it funny that he comes off as understanding the entire culture and infrastructure of China just out of one trip there that he had to pay for out of his own pocket. I got through 2 minutes, and that was about all I could handle. Whoever was able to sit through the entire thing, my hats off to you.

[azrael]

Remember that time China bootlegged Shadow Chronicles to make their own show? Oh wait, that never happened! Robotech big in China eh? hmmm..

Talk to kresphy. He could probably give you an answer about China...

[Seto Kaiba]

Any highlights that you think are notable? Im sure that most of us don't want to watch 9 minutes of people talking about Robotech.

McKeever... highlights... that's a good one dude.

In all seriousness, having sat through their whole China talk once before I feel it safe to say that unless you're one of those Robotech fans who spent his childhood and teenage years munching lead paint chips and shakily masturbating to the "genius" of Carl Macek, you will find nothing of interest in anything McKeever has to say. The man's so perversely proud of himself for having crossed the line from being an old and obnoxious Robotech fanboy apologist/troll to being the official apologist/troll of Harmony Gold's "Robotech team" that there's no way to interpret that bullshit as anything even halfway interesting unless you're the sort of mentally defective mutant who religiously follows their convention panels every year and thinks Robotech is the greatest sci-fi series of all time. You'd have an easier time getting the truth from a snake oil salesman than from Kevin McKeever, so it's much less infuriating to just mentally edit white noise over the man's voice whenever he opens his mouth.

[Robelwell202]

Well, that's 56 seconds of my life I'll never get back... That's about all I was able to take.

[taksraven]

and shakily masturbating to the "genius" of Carl Macek,

Quote of the week.

[Beltane70]

You must be a masochist if you lasted 2 minutes, jasonc!

Edited August 16, 2010 by Beltane70

[HappyPenguins]

lol, Areaseven just sent me this.

Remember that time China bootlegged Shadow Chronicles to make their own show? Oh wait, that never happened! Robotech big in China eh? hmmm..

Pass! I already feel like vomiting........don't want it to actually HAPPEN!

[Keith]

Any highlights that you think are notable? Im sure that most of us don't want to watch 9 minutes of people talking about Robotech.

Biggest highlight is him showing a picture of some random Chinese woman from an airport, and telling some fanboy wankoff story about how Robotech was her favorite show.

[Einherjar]

I'd only care if any of these people actually worked in an industry.

Also, after all the festivities and distractions are out of the way, the only thing people really want to know is "Where is Rick Hunter?" Everything else is milking their 15 minutes of fame.

[Seto Kaiba]

Biggest highlight is him showing a picture of some random Chinese woman from an airport, and telling some fanboy wankoff story about how Robotech was her favorite show.

Eh... really, for McKeever and company probably think it's a huge coup that they were able to find someone out there in China who'd actually heard of Robotech, let alone professes to enjoy it. Kev's probably just excited that he found a woman who didn't immediately shun him like the sort of guy who delivers his pickup lines in Klingon after he mentioned Robotech in conversation. Mind you, this is assuming he's actually telling the truth about his supposed airport encounter with a female Chinese Robotech fan. It's just as likely that the picture is some poor gal who consented to let him take a picture in the hopes that it would shut him up, and the story is something that he made up after he got bored on the long flight back from Beijing. Hell, there's probably a couple of very confused airport prostitutes wondering what kind of sex act "Robotech" is.

[Legioss]

So apparently he had some kind of other PR experience besides being a troll on Macrossworld?

I just watched the video. There's the face of Harmony Gold in case you ever forget they're evil. He meets a hardcore Robotech fan. She knows nothing about what's been happening with Robotech and asks him a million questions which explains why she's still so enthusastic about Robotech. He talks about Robotech like it's the hottest new anime out of Japan. He's got his typical anti-pirate lies where he says "off Bittorrent" instead of "off a torrent" implying Bittorrent runs a P2P service. He used that calling Macross "Robotech" thing again where they imply that the Japanese made Robotech. Some guy in the audience is an extreme dork. He laughs at anything banky says no matter how stupid it is.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Legioss

[Jasonc]

You must be a masochist if you lasted 2 minutes, jasonc!

Don't get me wrong, I didn't just sit there, I had to get some food, and it ran while I walked to the kitchen, then came back and shut it off. I had a couple buddies that drank at last year's AX, then decided to sit in the RT in China panel. To them, it was a literal "buzz-kill" and they just stared at him and laughed. Pretty funny story, something I wouldn't be able to do.

[chrisk]

People... pay... to... watch... this... year... after... year...

It's not even funny anymore...

[Seto Kaiba]

So apparently he had some kind of other PR experience besides being a troll on Macrossworld?

One would assume so... though you wouldn't know it from looking at his résumé and staff profile.

The only educational background listed for him is a BFA in "Lighting Design" from Emerson College, and about all that's listed that's even remotely applicable to PR is some minor production assistant credits on commercials and some minor (and uncredited) production assistant work on a pair of films in 1999 and one episode of Jackass. He reportedly brags a lot about that latter one, and thinks it's the coolest story ever. As has been pointed out once before, the man definitely doesn't know squat about customer relations. His usual gamut of behaviors reads like a list of marketing/public relations cardinal sins... so whatever his education and experience in those fields might have been before joining Harmony Gold, it seems self-evident that he wasn't the most diligent of students when the time came to study ethics.

Some guy in the audience is an extreme dork. He laughs at anything banky says no matter how stupid it is.

Ten bucks says it's MEMO or Maverick.

People... pay... to... watch... this... year... after... year...

It's not even funny anymore...

People do stupid, irrational stuff... that's just the way they are. Loyal Robotech fans just seem to be particularly loathsome and gullible examples of humanity. You have to admit, for them to still BE fans requires a certain level of gleeful idiocy and poor pattern recognition skills. You'd think after 25 years and nothing of value, they might cotton on to the fact that Robotech is a waste of time.

[Ginrai]

For SDF Macross, there were 3 studios working on the episodes. One of them I think was called Anime Friend, 2nd I don't know, and the 3rd was BW/SN. ... I do know the best ones were done by BW/SN, and kicked @$$.

BW/SN? I think you mean Artland. Studio Nue did the design, Artland did the animation. Mikimoto was even a member of Artland and no longer Studio Nue by the time Macross aired. Artland is Ishiguro Noboru's company. Big West is an advertising agency.

Edited August 17, 2010 by Ginrai

[Jasonc]

BW/SN? I think you mean Artland. Studio Nue did the design, Artland did the animation. Mikimoto was even a member of Artland and no longer Studio Nue by the time Macross aired. Artland is Ishiguro Noboru's company. Big West is an advertising agency.

Yeah, got it. Your a bit late on the conversation though.

[BeyondTheGrave]

Some guy in the audience is an extreme dork. He laughs at anything banky says no matter how stupid it is.

Ten bucks says it's MEMO or Maverick.

Or it could be an amalgamation of MEMO and Maverick named MEAVMERICKO.

[Seto Kaiba]

Or it could be an amalgamation of MEMO and Maverick named MEAVMERICKO.

Dammit... now I have this weird mental image of Maverick and MEMO doing a fusion sequence from Dragonball Z. His shameless suck-up level is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND!

[taksraven]

Or it could be an amalgamation of MEMO and Maverick named MEAVMERICKO.

I am sure that such a beast would look and sound like Jabba the Hutt.

[Jasonc]

I'm not gonna dive into making fun of those guys, but you may get a kick out of this...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/32-macross/13183-macross-frontier-movies.html#13183, and continued here...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/42-other-anime-series/11993-animemanga-under-18-censor-amendment-in-japan.html

Got a good laugh out of the issue, thought you may also.

[RDClip]

I'm not gonna dive into making fun of those guys, but you may get a kick out of this...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/32-macross/13183-macross-frontier-movies.html#13183, and continued here...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/42-other-anime-series/11993-animemanga-under-18-censor-amendment-in-japan.html

Got a good laugh out of the issue, thought you may also.

So it goes from a post about the new release of the Macross F movie to MEMO accusing all anime fans of being pedos... Yep seems like the trend of any RT forum discussion.

[azrael]

So it goes from a post about the new release of the Macross F movie to MEMO accusing all anime fans of being pedos... Yep seems like the trend of any RT forum discussion.

Meh. They have nothing to talk about so talk devolves into talk about pedos and moes. If ya want a real issue to talk about, how about the health of RT women and what all that silicon weight is doing to their backs. Or the rampant drug protoculture use.

[Seto Kaiba]

Got a good laugh out of the issue, thought you may also.

Oh, they're STILL banging on about that? Good grief, you'd think that would've begun to pall by now... I guess it really is up to them how they cope with the knowledge that Macross is still successful and Robotech is still a show nobody remembers.

So it goes from a post about the new release of the Macross F movie to MEMO accusing all anime fans of being pedos... Yep seems like the trend of any RT forum discussion.

Seems that way... I was actually there when they first got started accusing Macross fans of all being pedophiles and/or child molesters. What started it all was Bendover-boy's over-the-top reaction to a post by Robelwell202 that contained YouTube videos from Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles and Macross Frontier, drawing the obvious conclusion that Macross Frontier's average standard of animation was far superior to that of Shadow Chronicles. Since he couldn't refute it or the questions about why every single woman was needlessly made stripperific in RTSC, Bendover latched onto a two-second long scene in the final episode of the series as his rebuttal, asserting that it made Macross Frontier child pornography because he doesn't think Ranka looks as old as the show says she is. MEMO later picked it up because... well... he's MEMO. He can't cope with a world in which Robotech isn't the bestest thing EVAR!

Edited August 18, 2010 by Seto Kaiba

[BeyondTheGrave]

Dammit... now I have this weird mental image of Maverick and MEMO doing a fusion sequence from Dragonball Z. His shameless suck-up level is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND!

I am sure that such a beast would look and sound like Jabba the Hutt.

It could be worse.. MEMO and Dougbendo fuse.

Maybe that already happened.

[HappyPenguins]

y'all are giving me nightmares with all the talk about fusing uglies together

[Einherjar]

I'm not gonna dive into making fun of those guys, but you may get a kick out of this...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/32-macross/13183-macross-frontier-movies.html#13183, and continued here...http://www.robotechx.com/forums/42-other-anime-series/11993-animemanga-under-18-censor-amendment-in-japan.html

Hmm, they forgot about Mint and Dana, but whatever. Taking the moral high ground for a 3 times as violent show (3 shows worth and more extremes in the novels) isn't the best idea in confronting utter silence in a franchise.

[Seto Kaiba]

Hmm, they forgot about Mint and Dana, but whatever. Taking the moral high ground for a 3 times as violent show (3 shows worth and more extremes in the novels) isn't the best idea in confronting utter silence in a franchise.

Actually, they didn't... I used screen captures of the bath scene from Mospeada (and Robotech Remastered) in my rebuttal, and Bendo threw an honest-to-goodness temper tantrum over how he thinks the remastered Robotech isn't real Robotech because it's not the version he saw in the 80's. He also got quite upset when I responded by pointing out that he'd already said he's 100% okay with the sexual objectification of Ariel/Marlene in the Shadow Chronicles movie, and then reminding him that according to the official timeline Ariel is only about fifteen months old during Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles, and could be no more than thirteen years old at the absolute outside limit assuming the larva she was transmuted from was created after the Invid occupation started. He waved both off claiming it was okay because she was an alien, and then raged again when I pointed out Ranka wasn't exactly 100% human either.

But yeah, their position on the Mint/Dana thing is that it never happened because it wasn't part of the original TV cut of the series they saw back in 1985.

[Gubaba]

I've just returned from Robotech country...where's my Yoshinol?

[areaseven]

I am sure that such a beast would look and sound like Jabba the Hutt.

Or worse, it would look like Kevin McKeever.

[Jasonc]

I've just returned from Robotech country...where's my Yoshinol?

Welcome back! When I was reading the two threads there, I found it funny that it was them, taking some wannabe "moral high ground". If someone is gonna take that position, that's fine and all, but coming from people who don't follow what they speak is quite funny. Trying to turn it into a Macross witch hunt, because they need to validate their existence for a hardly remembered franchise is just strange. If the issue was all it was about, I could say fine, whatever, but when they throw in Macross in there, you know it's only to whine about something. OK, next subject for me. I think I've said what I need to say on it.

Oh, and Gubaba, this may be a strange question, but what is Yoshinol?