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Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Emigrant governments do have some surface-based defenses, but as seen in Macross VF-X2, Macross Frontier, and Macross Delta... but they're pretty consistently shown to be rather minimal. One could even call them token. The ground-based defenses in Macross VF-X2 are inevitably overpowered by a single platoon of Valkyries or sometimes even just a single Valkyrie. The Frontier fleet's ground-based defenses don't fare any better. They have infantry, some tank destroyers, and some AA destroids. All in all, the infantry isn't much use against anybody, the tank destroyers may be able to hurt something like a battlepod but they're not mobile enough to be effective, and the AA destroids only show up as jobbers. There's never really been a good explanation for why some of those atmosphere-focused designs exist. The VF-4's Navy variant is a great example of that. Who the hell needed that? Granted, the writeup in the Macross the Ride Visual Book does claim that "second generation destroids" are seen as a valuable fighting force by fleets and emigrant planets. One would assume that "second generation destroids" mainly means the Cheyenne II, the only one we've seen that is used in more than one place. As far as we know, the "Super Defender" isn't even widely used in the Macross Galaxy fleet never mind elsewhere. It's only mentioned as being used aboard the resort ship Evna. In the actual story, the remarks about it in the Visual Book are treated like in-universe ad copy and it absolutely does not live up to the performance claims made about it... to the considerable dismay of its operators in the Macross Galaxy Corporate Army. On paper, they're meant to be capable of reliably shooting down 4th Generation VFs like the NUNS's VF-171. In practice, even in a target rich environment they struggled to hit anything. I'd even question the claim that the Super Defender - explicitly a modified ADR-04-Mk.X - is a "second generation" machine. It's a modified first generation machine, not a new design. From what we're told in Macross Chronicle and other works, places that allow Zentradi to live as giants seem to be quite rare in the galaxy. Enough so that Sheryl Nome, a touring idol on top of the charts across the galaxy, had apparently never seen one before visiting the Macross Frontier fleet. Ouroboros seems like a pretty good example of why most planets don't allow giants. The inevitable rioting. To be fair, that was also the ethos behind the idea of combining the walking war robot "Battroid" with the next-generation fighter project that became the Valkyrie. We haven't seen very many Variable Attackers in the franchise but a big part of that is likely that most Valkyries are designed to be multirole strike fighters. Maybe Aegis had two redshirts riding along who just didn't get any voice lines? That seems likely... though as we saw in Macross Frontier, even the NUNS Marines have aviators. In the TV anime, they use the Queadluun-Rhea/56 like SMS's Zentradi pilots do. In the novel, they use the Neo Glaug bis too, IIRC. I'd assume the second Battle 13 in command of Earth's defenses is probably a newer model Battle-class more similar to the Battle Astraea or Battle Frontier since it was several years newer than even the first Battle 13. Battle Astraea is supposed to have been a standard central NUNS Battle-class before Cromwell went rogue, stole the ship, and had it modified by the Epsilon Foundation. It seems relatively safe to assume that Battle 13 might be a similar or even the same design. As I mentioned, that's one of the connections the novels draw. Fold carbon and fold quartz had not been established yet at the time of Macross VF-X2, so the "hyperspace resonance lens" was just a new gimmicky macguffin Manfred Brando's company had come up with. The Macross Frontier TV anime established the existence of fold carbon and fold quartz and how they fit into existing technology. Then the later novelization of same came along and connected a bunch of Macross VF-X2's plot to Macross Frontier's including making Manfred the sponsor of the 117th research fleet, the resonance lens a piece of fold quartz acquired from the Vajra, and Dr. Nome's theories about the Vajra's hive mind the basis for the Jamming Sound. -
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The 'Hey look at this really cool model build I saw' post
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It’s mainly those upper arm cylinders that look too stubby, maybe cut em in half and space them with some styrene sheeet definitely do a test fit and see if there are other things that may need some improvement. I remember really loving that kit, unfortunately it’s boxed away at the moment and I’m actually at the moment hoping for a newer one from hasegawa
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I think there was a guy that did some mods here in the model kit section that may have some tips. Personally I think it’s fine as is, but anything to make it look more like the line art is a plus
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Sounds good. I love the color scheme and general design. Looking forward to it! Maybe I lengthen the arms?
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Yeah, I’ve built that one. Love it actually. Not nearly as bad a fit as the monster and the pilot can be half set into the armor and actually looks pretty great. The arms are a little on the short side compared to the art, but it still looks cool out of the box. The big feet are a major advantage for balance
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Not sure where to post this but I decided to grab one of these old IMAI Nousjadeul-ger kits. It will be on my bench after the Monster and VE-1 are done. Does anyone here have any experience with this build? Been searching online for images of a completed build and surprisingly came up empty handed. Just curious.
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
I was more talking about local defenses, because with a looming threat like a Main Fleet hanging around everyone's heads, one forgets the ones that can pop up in their backyard. It's presumably a reason why places like Sephira and Al-Shahal had ground forces to begin with, and presumably places like the 90% water Eden-3 would have a blue water Navy, with VFs specifically tailored to those roles (namely the VF-4S as an atmosphere-specific type for anti-warship and the VF-5 which had sea landing capabilities for those type of planets....Where did we learn about that, or the other Sea Dart comparisons actually? It's hard to find another source that even mentions the VF-5 like the This is Animation Special - Macross Plus book and Digital Mission VF-X manual, the latter of which had to get it from somewhere else.) It's bio in The Ride's website and visual guide book seems to suggest it found its niches outside the Galaxy Fleet, as it's described to be a second generation Destroid that's considered a valuable asset in fleets and immigrant planets. The galaxy's (Not the fleet, army, or Macross class ship!) huge, and especially with how big the Macross world seems, I wouldn't be quick to assume that what we see or read about is the only place they'd appear in. It seems like we get a few exceptions barring the odd stationed NUNS Marine unit. M3 had the independent colony Cristrania, which was described to be a "natural planet for the development of life for Zentradi," which seems to suggest for Zentradi fundamentalists at least, was a planet that allowed them to live naturally as giants, whether it was because of the gravity, terrain, resources, etc. On the other side there seemed to be a populace of civilian Zentradi on Ouroboros that work through life as miners and presumably other industrial jobs. Now this could also mean they'd have a miclonization chamber on standby like in Trad City, but at least with 30's novelizations, the woes of the made berserk Zentradi about being treated like "living Destroids" shows that it's common to some degree. Not to put down any effectiveness any little Destroids might have (because otherwise why else they keep popping up lol), but on the VA-3's This is Animation Special - Macross Plus pages, variable attackers were designed to have superior deployment capabilities in regards to the role Destroids had for localized attacks. Makes sense as VAs are more ground orientated then the general purpose VFs, So I guess if one wants more advanced Destroids in the franchise, maybe lean more into variable attackers? They need the attention anyways, the VA-3 has been starved of it since 7 Dynamite and we never see its predecessor, the VB-171. We don't even have a design to work off from aside from presumably sharing the basic shape of the Nightmare Plus. It has a Destroid Mode, surely that counts for something lol. I feel like Aegis would probably disagree about it being a glass cannon, whether on the receiving or giving end. Jokes aside, since it's a playable unit in Mission 7 and in the post game, I'm wondering how he was able to pilot it all by himself when unless it's installed with the EX-Gear system, it needs a pilot and 2 bombardment officers. Maybe VF-X pilots are just that cracked, who's to say? The Queadluun-Rau was said to be favored for their dogfighting abilities by UN pilots, so my literal mind at least thought that there could be dedicated Spacy/Air Force units/squadrons/divisions/etc. somewhere as well. The entire talk about the battle ships made me think about the new Battle 13 captained by Kim Kamirov by Frontier, which I thought was a novelization thing, but it turns out the Macross Chronicle also mentions that in its glossary. Would it be a ship that's more or less the same to the Battle 13 that Aegis and Vinderance blew up, or played with by you and SebastianB, a different model of the same class of ship but in the colors of the original? It's fun to think of either way. Technically VF-X2 got the drop first in that regard. Long before Frontier, the game itself introduced the "hyperspatial resonance crystal," which is essentially fold crystals in a different name, and from its discovery in 2043, it was used for the UN's Die Zauberflöte and presumably the Sound Jamming System since the UN through Latence was trying to achieve complete communication control though its military might. -
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TangledThorns replied to TangledThorns's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
We all know the Dinks was singing the theme from Bridge On The River Kwai but it just dawned on me that film also starred Alec Guiness. So decades later I now wonder if that was intentional or coincidence? lol -
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