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26662 replied to mikeszekely's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
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Well, it's not me up against the wall since I'm not the one trying to reconcile it. I've stated more than once that I don't agree with them doing things that way. I'm just pointing out their rationale, what they've done with it, and just the fact that they do have such a rationale on their cards to play.
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Basically, you're up against a wall of trying to reconcile the fact that the two look nothing alike in their respective series. They can draft up any harebrained lore explanation they like, it doesn't change what we see on screen with our own eyes. Reality is just that the aesthetics of the two series are incompatible. Writing it into the story doesn't change that for the viewers. If Bandai really was intent on retconning the size of the original, they shouldn't have renamed it in the first place, because it drew a dividing line between the designs, marking them as distinct craft. Trying to backpedal on that retcon now is a losing battle, and one of the major issues is just that the blended aesthetic is so schizophrenic. Doing a selective resize of the components to try and pass the 171 off as an original VF-17 just gives us a misshapen caricature like the doodle in the previous page, because the separate components are now all out of proportion with each other, and it fails miserably at actually giving the same aesthetic as the original in M7.
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I dunno if "cost-effective" is the term to use with this Bandai decision of badly cosplaying a DX-171 mould into a DX-17. I reckon the more cost-effective and more common-sense thing for Bandai to rather do is to re-paint DX DYRL-1A Kaki into DX DYRL-1A Hikaru or DX DYRL-1A Max. oh, well...
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Maybe it's assumed you can pop them out and swap the two sides around by yourself. Don't have mine yet, so don't know how shoulder assembly works. Unless they doubled up on the same sided parts like the YF-21's shoulders again, so that no amount of ease of disassembly matters... EDIT: Seems like Heppoko made another tweet about fixing it in 10 minutes. So here's to hoping the issue is limited to them actually just mixing up rationed out L/R pieces for final assembly, and not a situation where they could have used two of the same for either side
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Well, I just watched the morita guy's deep dive into VF-17 design lore, literally the day before this toy was announced. Unless that channel is all fanfic and lies, or I'm tripping out, the lore is supposedly contrary to what you and others are saying. IIRC, the lore goes that, the nose/cockpit was changed on the 171 to favor avionics because they no longer needed conventional passive stealth geometry after VF-19 and 22 introduced active fold stealth. Then the EX changed it some more to accomodate EX gear tech that LAI backported from the VF-25. The elbow guns weren't needed because the gunpod became external. The gunpod became external because because its storage compartment got cannibalized by retrofitting it with the larger and more powerful VF-19's engines inside the same old legs. But it was fine to move the gunpod outside because once again, stealth geometry was no longer needed. None of this suggests going from a 3 storey gargantuan stealth bomber to a modest 1 storey playground replica of it. Especially not with the engine swap going in the opposite direction. That's why I don't understand why they are considered vastly different sized aircrafts with no parts commonality around here.
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I know what you are tolking about. I even acknowledged that it saves them work from coming up with transformation articulation. But my original comment was very much replying to this comment that was specifically about toy production and not about design work. So I'm just pointing out that the 19Kai can't be made with "minor alterations". Unless you guys consider building a majority of new plastic injection molds to be a minority of the work in manufacturing the toy, then I have nothing left to debate on the 19.
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So just an apology? No word of replacement parts?
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Valkyrie Hunter D replied to mikeszekely's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
More like a yoked midget wearing a costume.- 17693 replies
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Well I guess I know what's coming! Agreed, I'm going to be a lot more judicious with my purchases abroad until we get some slower shipping and cheaper options.
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electric indigo replied to David Hingtgen's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
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AAAAND on that note! I just go a text from DHL requesting ADDITIONAL TARRIFF PAYMENT for my package to the tune of $23 more bucks. Bringing the total now to $57 for one HM-R toy. Yeh I'm DOOOOOONE after this with this crap. Officially retired from toy collecting from Japan for now and the foreseeable future.
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JB0 replied to mikeszekely's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Because Starscream's a ghost! Sometimes. If this abomination of a line continues(and it shouldn't, it is a nightmarishly bad idea compounded by terrible execution), they can do Trapjaw as a sharkticon.- 17693 replies
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Great question, I assumed it included the duty, I should have looked for small print. I went to ship something today from fromJapan and they make it very clear their prices don't include duty so maybe I'll get a second bill from DHL for my AE shipment. I'll report back if I do.
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mikeszekely replied to areaseven's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
In the words of one James Pumphrey, "Minivans are cool." When I brought my parents with us when I took my wife and daughter to Presque Isle I rented a Chrysler Pacifica and I genuinely enjoyed it. Years later wife got a Kia EV9 when her parents were staying with us, and I dunno. I think more people should consider minivans instead of 3-row SUVs. It's like the Kia is nearly as big as the Pacifica, but the Pacifica's sliding door made it easier to get in and out of, and I swear it had more cargo room to boot. If we still needed a big people mover I'd consider swapping the EV9 for an ID.Buzz, but wife's parents went back to China so it's just the three of us at home these days, and wife kind of wants to downsize. Her next car might be BMW's new iX3 or an Audi Q6 e-Tron. -
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I'm happy for anyone that's into these He-Man crossovers, but He-Man looks like he's wearing a kid's Optimus costume he got at Walmart.- 17693 replies
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Test_Pilot_2 replied to areaseven's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Yeah, I'm an SUV guy so I was looking at a Suburban. I got noped, had to be a van. Then I was leaning towards the Sienna, got noped, had to be an Odyssey. Plot twist: Wife sold Hondas for years and was absolutely dead set on the Odyssey - I had no chance to begin with. Happy wife, happy life. You can take that to the bank. -
I'm not talking of a skeleton in the physical sense, since no, these toys don't have those, and they don't share many physically molded or machined parts, because the individual connections and shapes are different. I'm talking about the idea that if you took an x-ray of the figure, and drew a connecting stick figure diagram of all of the major transformation and mobility joints inside the valk, you would have very similar results for both. The "skin" of the valk is where all of the unique features would lie, and that's where all of the parts you're talking about would attach. This is really rough, but for a better diagram, I'd need to draw all of the essential connecting joints of one of the actual figures, because animation is funky, but imagine this skeleton connecting all of the major transforming components. You draw connecting lines between linked parts to come up with something that just shows the relations between them, and where they connect. Maybe a better way to explain it is actually comparing it to how skeletons work for game character animations. You have an invisible skeleton that exists to link the essential moving parts of a character, and that skeleton may not change, while the actual characters can be wildly different. Long video here, but it shows a pretty clear example of what I'm talking about. The YF-19 and VF-19 are similar enough to share that same basic connecting skeleton stick figure. They're basically the same aircraft with different exterior panels. You can't really do that with the VF-17 and VF-171, since the proportions and transformation are so different. Some of that comes down to the exterior body panels and details of the 17 just being much bulkier, but it also means the locations of the key transformation joints have to be adjusted significantly to accommodate those bigger components. Bandai also added extra joints and steps to the transformation compared with the Yamato VF-17, so the skeleton of that transformation stick figure is a lot more complicated. Anyhow, sorry to drag the thread off on this weird tangent, but it's actually kind of fascinating to see the differences between the 17 and 171 when you dig into the structural relationships, and how the two toys were approached so differently.
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davidwhangchoi replied to mikeszekely's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
What's with these collabs? Mattel isn't even Hasbro. How bout JEM Arcee?- 17693 replies
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Hikaru Ichijo SL replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I watched episode zero of Towa no Yuugure and it has promise. I can't wait for the main series to start. -
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TangledThorns replied to areaseven's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Though we don't own one we rented minivans during family vacations and they are great family movers, young and old! If we had to get a mini van I think it would be a KIA Carnival since it looks more like a SUV than minivan. That would compliment your EV6 GT too, lol. -
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Because Scareglow is awesome.- 17693 replies
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Oh, these are gorgeous! The M3 designs are incredible and it's really cool to see (fanbooks?) for it. Great find.