SkullLeaderVF-X Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Samething here. Got into Robotech, then got pissed that there were no new stories...Then did some reaserch and found macross, and the whole Robotech/macross thing....Now I'm a big Macross fan......With no life unfortunilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfunk Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Ditto that and too those who a biatching whare would you be without it, oh literate ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Astro Boy, Speed Racer, StarBlazers and Battle of the Planets got me into anime. Robotech was just one of a long stream of anime shows that aired once in my area in a 6:00am timeslot (perfect for kiddies getting ready for school) and were never seen again afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Ditto that and too those who a biatching whare would you be without it, oh literate ones I would still be fairly close to where I am now. After RT aired I had almost completely forgotten about it. But a year later a Japanese-American family moved in down the street and their two sons were big anime fans. They introduced me to the originals. Not the ones we saw on morning cartoons back then. You're argument is invalid. I don't owe Carl Macek one bit of gratitude. The one major thing he did for anime was to get Akira in an extremely limited, yet widely-publicized theatrical release. But by that point I was already watching more accurately translated fan-dubs, so that didn't mean much to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Astro Boy, Speed Racer, StarBlazers and Battle of the Planets got me into anime. Robotech was just one of a long stream of anime shows that aired once in my area in a 6:00am timeslot (perfect for kiddies getting ready for school) and were never seen again afterwards. What he said.... I was watching the aforementioned Astro Boy, Speed Racer, Starblazers, and Battle of the Planets back when I was just a wee lil laddie back in the early 70's. Robotech just happened to hit that time slot, as WDC said, that I was getting ready for school (high school btw) during, and so I watched it. But then, about a year later, I was introduced to DYRL, and about a year after that I was in the Army stationed in Japan, so, really Robotech introduced me to MACROSS, but certainly not to Anime, and it did not make me any bigger an Anime fan than I already was. And to ditto what someone previously said... Macek tries to take credit for having created things that he did not. You need look no further than one of the interviews that HG "gave" you as a special feature on one of the Macross Saga DVD boxed sets. In the interview, he basically says that the animation wasn't available in the US to "tell the story they wanted to tell", so they "got it from overseas". He went on to make it sound like they had commissioned the animation for their own original use. Again, he gets the HAMMIE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I love Carl Macek. And Robotech loves you too. It is him that i got my mandarin dubbed Robotech as a kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom64ss Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was set up by HG as a way to toot their own horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caufield Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 man alive, so much hate being displayed here. It's not like the guy goes clubbing baby seals to death for fun.. When it comes to my own intro to anime, it's to Robotech that I owe that. As a geeky kid, apart my from C64 animation was my other escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 good for him. Dont; forget he was faithfully translating macross before they made him change it. That may be, oh Illiterate One, but it still doesn't bring him forgiveness for birthing the abomniation known as Streamline. There's nothing faithful about anything the guy's ever done. He worked, IIRC on HEavy Metal, and that was a gorgeous film. I will give him that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechafan Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Samething here. Got into Robotech, then got pissed that there were no new stories...Then did some reaserch and found macross, and the whole Robotech/macross thing....Now I'm a big Macross fan......With no life unfortunilty. Ditto. Robotech started it for me in the 5th grade. Untill we found out the truth it was a great TV show. Now I am big Macross fan too because of it. I agree it was a hack job but a hack job the got some of us here today buying Macross products now too. I do not look at it as a bad moment in history but a begining for US fans to be expose to the Japanese Animation that the rest of the world was allready enjoying. Carl had to do a job to fit requirements beyond his control. Because of him 80% of the stuff I collect is Macross/Robotech related. That reminds me THANK GOD FOR YAMATO 1/48. He deserves it in my book. Do not hate the player just hate the game(US Censorship). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAND CANNON Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech got me into anime... and Macross...For that, I am grateful. Astro Boy, Speed Racer, StarBlazers and Battle of the Planets got me into anime. Robotech was just one of a long stream of anime shows that aired once in my area in a 6:00am timeslot (perfect for kiddies getting ready for school) and were never seen again afterwards. Yup, a Star Blazers-child meeself. Then onto Battle of the PLanets , Force Five and then...... WHAM!!!! ....wake up one morning to find Robotech's opening credits , get my brother out of bed, and we both see an Armored Valk takin' out a Bug-Eye. Pure Bliss! Don't particularly care WHO gets WHAT award. All I know is that whoever or whatever entity that brought Robotech to my house that morning gets a "thanks" from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine23 Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 It's weird... I think I'm the only guy that didn't get introduced to Robotech in the morning before school. In my area, Robotech came on at 3 PM. Of course, I got out of school exactly then. We'd race our bikes to the nearest house to school and catch the second half of the show. I never got to see the Mospeada portion until I was 18... but I always wondered when that transforming motorcycle from the credits was going to show up. Yeah, I suppose the 12 year old me would honor Carl... what the hell. It's not like we have to invite him over to our house to eat all the spinach dip, is it folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Yeah, I suppose the 12 year old me would honor Carl... what the hell. It's not like we have to invite him over to our house to eat all the spinach dip, is it folks? No, but he sure as hell hogs all of the guacamole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Yeah, I suppose the 12 year old me would honor Carl... what the hell. It's not like we have to invite him over to our house to eat all the spinach dip, is it folks? No, but he sure as hell hogs all of the guacamole. And it's a given that he would eat all the HAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggydog Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Yamato should thank Macek for every macross toy they've managed to sell to us American GenXers. Heck, Scott at HLJ should name his next yacht 'Macek'.. of course his current yacht is named 'Shaggy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I wouldn't be too surprize if AVD or ADV or what ever their name is paid to get him honored. I don't doubt he's a hero to those in the industry who help make anime main stream in the states. His contributions have help expanded anime but often at the expense the original works. Because past work of Carl and others like him their is more anime here but it's often more American friendlish. He should be rewarded for what he's done for the business and beaten with a ugly stick what he's help done to the genre. Ah who in the hell friggin cares about him anymore. In my 'universe' Carl's a bum living under a freeway over pass who yells at cars screaming, "Kawamori ain't got nott'in on me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbat Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 He should be rewarded for what he's done for the business and beaten with a ugly stick what he's help done to the genre.Ah who in the hell friggin cares about him anymore. In my 'universe' Carl's a bum living under a freeway over pass who yells at cars screaming, "Kawamori ain't got nott'in on me!" So,... from this I conclude: you don't like him very much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggydog Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 ..of course in that universe almost none of us here would be posting to 'macrossworld', we'd be posting to 'facts of life world'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 What Radd said, except he always manages to remain calmer and less offensive than me. I didn't get introduced to anime by Robotech either. I owe my intro to anime to Bubblegum Crisis. The original Japanese one I stood around watching while I was standing around Yaohan in LA (now Mitsuwa and regrettably much smaller). I owe nothing to Macek since I ran into Macross Plus around the same time as I got interested in Robotech. Once I figured out and got confirmed the hackjob part, I stopped liking Robotech and continued to fall in love with Macross. Mao can give him a rectal breach as long as she wears some rubber gloves or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine23 Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 He should be rewarded for what he's done for the business and beaten with a ugly stick what he's help done to the genre. The truest thing I've read today. Ah who in the hell friggin cares about him anymore. In my 'universe' Carl's a bum living under a freeway over pass who yells at cars screaming, "Kawamori ain't got nott'in on me!"   The funniest thing I've read today. Word, Roy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAND CANNON Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hey, If The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King was in the running with Carl-baby, we wouldn't need this steenkin' thread?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfunk Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 sorry to say this folks, but it looks like its bandwagon time. For the 2 maybe 3 that didnt get introduced to Robotech 1st, they have room to complain, but all the others, all it did was make Macross better Im not saying he didnt take part in disecting (very minimally) a good series, Im saying he brought us this great anime and if you loved it and reasearched it, it would bring you here to Macross and the other great films and shows that were never released to us,,,,thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 He worked, IIRC on HEavy Metal, and that was a gorgeous film. I will give him that one. Great soundtrack, but rotoscoping... *shudder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginrai Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) <In fact, Macek also authored the screenplay for Robotech: The Movie, which he co-produced and co-directed.> Wow. This is blatantly not true. Obviously these people haven't seen the damn movie. It was written by Ardwight Chamberlain, who also wrote the Sentinels video. Chamberlain has also written for Samurai Pizza Cats, Teknoman, Digimon, SD Gundam, and other such westernizations of anime. Edited March 4, 2004 by Ginrai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghadrack Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Love him or hate him, it doens't really matter, If I read this article properly this is an anime convention giving the guy an award. That means that a group of fans are honoring the man for what they perceive to be his contribution to the american anime scene. You know what they say about opinions. They are entitled to theirs and you to yours. Personally, I was very lucky as a kid, I got to watch Starblazers, Battle of the Planets, Robotech, Tranzor Z (Mazinger in on a spanish speaking station). Robotech was one of many japanese cartoons that helped form my current love for the genre, regardless of how they manipulated the product I am pleased that these shows were brought stateside. I know and value the original creators of the Macross series, and certainly like Macross better than the editted format that I digested as a child. That being said, I can certainly understand the logic behind rewarding these people who helped get japanese cartoons into american homes in the early 80's. They created a desire, and a market for more that has sent millions millions of dollars from U.S. Fans to the japanese creators of these shows. You may not like the way they butchered the shows but they (Including Carl macek and his cohorts) helped put a lot of extra dollars into the pockets of the companies that produce anime. Like it or not, they are the reason a lot of americans, myself included, feel the way we do about anime today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodcat Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Robotech was my first real start in anime too. Robotech got me into anime, anime fandom got me out of it. As to Animeigo? Its always been hard to take them seriously. I bought plenty of Streamline tapes back in the day as I wasn't about to pay 35 bucks for a 22 minute episode of Bubblegum Crisis when I could get Akira or Dirty Pair for 20, or Project Ako for 30. ADV? Well, theirs is a foundation built on porn, unlike US Manga Corps that just decided shows with cartoon teenaged girls being raped was more profitable than a timely release of oh THE FRICKIN PATLABOR TV DVDS... Not that I am bitter or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 What's so difficult about taking AnimEigo seriously? They tend to do an excellent job on anything they release, so long as you don't care about dubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Nothing wrong with Animeigo, but they're a niche company, where ADV isn't. Sad fact is any anime that doesn't have a dub is cutting itself off from a large segment of the market, and that's why Animeigo just appears to be holding steady, where ADV is rushing along. 'course ADV could probably slow down and do a better job overall quality wise... Cyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjenius81 Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 ADV's rep wasnt built on porn. Yes they released some risque (though much more so for the day) titles such as Devil Hunter Yohko (which after Eps 1 dropped the hentai and just became plain funny) and Guy Double Target among a few others. At the same time ADV also released Battle Angel (hardly porn unless blood spattered everywhere is your thing), the original Sol Bianca and Cutey Honey (sure some nakedness, but your standard henshin nudity nothing special), and Nuku^2. What really launched ADV into the big time was Evangelion. That one title more than anything else is what ADV built its rep and company on. 'course ADV could probably slow down and do a better job overall quality wise... Indeed. As for Animeigo, theyve been one of the best companies for fans. They indeed are for fans by fans. I mean how many other studios would have told Shin Kurokawa "yeah sure you can have oodles of cash to subtitle a 20 year old series with only a small niche following compared to say Evangelion or Cowboy Bebop" and then say "whats that, you want to REDO THE ENTIRE THING?! Sure go right ahead, touch it up again just to make it look perfect" Then give the preorder fans a special treat by shaving 100 dollars off the originally planned MSRP. Don't forget Animeigo also gave us the gift that is all powerful beyond even the power of DVD.....LASERDISC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 What's so difficult about taking AnimEigo seriously? They tend to do an excellent job on anything they release, so long as you don't care about dubs. Yeah, seriously! Is there anybody here who wasn't 110% satisfied with their Macross discs? Jeeze, I want to be buried with those things, I love them so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowlightman Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 ADV's rep wasnt built on porn. Yes they released some risque (though much more so for the day) titles such as Devil Hunter Yohko (which after Eps 1 dropped the hentai and just became plain funny) and Guy Double Target among a few others. At the same time ADV also released Battle Angel (hardly porn unless blood spattered everywhere is your thing), the original Sol Bianca and Cutey Honey (sure some nakedness, but your standard henshin nudity nothing special), and Nuku^2. What really launched ADV into the big time was Evangelion. That one title more than anything else is what ADV built its rep and company on. Wasn't so much of their "rep" that was built on porn, it was their profits. Porno anime was/is relatively easy to license and produce and sold reasonably well, so much of their early money they made off the hentai genre. That early money would allow them to pick up bigger name titles later on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Wasn't so much of their "rep" that was built on porn, it was their profits. Porno anime was/is relatively easy to license and produce and sold reasonably well, so much of their early money they made off the hentai genre. That early money would allow them to pick up bigger name titles later on... Definitely true. As for their rep, older fans I think still remember ADV for starting with porn (that and bad subtitles, but we won't get into that). I think most newer fans (which are the majority these days) are probably unaware of how ADV got their start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Look man...history happened...we could fruitlessly speculate all day long about how things would have turned out minus the Macek man...and I know it rubs you all kinds of wrong...but Macek was there doing his little tap dance upon/to/for/in support of anime...No, Macek wasn't the first anime cheer leader, and no he wasn't the first to pump out crap "improved" anime either...But Macek and dozens of other equaly important people were there, each doing what they thought was right for anime....they all deserve our graditude...history favors the bold, and for lack of better term Macek was bold (be it as an ass or whatever).Unless you have proof of Macek's evil...the killing puppies, burning kittens, piloting aircraft into buildings...then put your hatred of him to good use...do something constructive like writeing to the organizers of this awards event, promting them to also pay tribute to the likes of AnimEigo and the other anime scene pioneers! Macek did what now again? ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY NOTHING! Did he create anything? No. Did he pioneer anything? No. Did he actively persue anything himself? No. HG hired him for a project they were "already working on." Which was comprised of material that "already existed," and "would have been marketed anyway." Streamline was founded by multiple people (the most recognizable name being Macek), and even then, his superior business talents didn't help him from allowing the company to be swalled up then subsequently destroyed by the Orion (bought Streamline) MGM (bought Orion) incident. Hell, if you listen to him talk about Heavy Metal, you'd think he pioneered & animated the damn movie himself, not hung out as an animation studio selecting consultant. If you're going to honor someone, that's all well & fine, but make sure they've at least done something worth honoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjenius81 Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I wouldnt really call any of those titles porn though. I mean come on, at that time you had stuff like Urotsuki Doji being released along with I think La Blue Girl, that is porn. What ADV sold was just some light softcore with the occasional semi-hardness thrown in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSW Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hell, if you listen to him talk about Heavy Metal, you'd think he pioneered & animated the damn movie himself, not hung out as an animation studio selecting consultant. If you're going to honor someone, that's all well & fine, but make sure they've at least done something worth honoring. You...actually....listened....to....Macek....talk....about....the ....film....Heavy Metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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