The Newbie and Short Questions thread

[Seto Kaiba]

19 minutes ago, PixelatedShinobi said:

I'm also very grateful to my friend Double for getting so yaoibaited that she ended up finishing the scans on pure passion alone.

You'll never be able to unsee it once you realize the Aerial Knights are set up with the same style and tropes as the main characters from Ouran High School Host Club. 🤣

I know I can't.

[Sharron Coleman]

Does anyone have a link to the correct lyric booklet for the Walkure Attack album that was mentioned at the beginning of speakerpodcast episode 57?

Thanks

[Seto Kaiba]

23 hours ago, Sharron Coleman said:

Does anyone have a link to the correct lyric booklet for the Walkure Attack album that was mentioned at the beginning of speakerpodcast episode 57?

Thanks

There are links to PDFs of the corrected pages on the Japanese Wikipedia article found here:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/マクロスΔのディスコグラフィ#CD

I assume this is what you're looking for?

Here are direct links:

https://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/img/artist_top/A025373/booklet_04_20160708.pdf

https://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/img/artist_top/A025373/booklet_08_20160708.pdf

https://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/img/artist_top/A025373/booklet_09_20160708.pdf

https://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/img/artist_top/A025373/booklet_10_20160708.pdf

[TehPW]

semi-  topic question: Is Macrossworld on Facebook legit?

 

(2) macrossworld - Search Results | Facebook 

[azrael]

29 minutes ago, TehPW said:

semi-  topic question: Is Macrossworld on Facebook legit?

(2) macrossworld - Search Results | Facebook 

Link is no longer valid. Checking that group...It is not associated with us. 

[TehPW]

3 hours ago, azrael said:

Link is no longer valid. Checking that group...It is not associated with us. 

what i suspected... do you have an MW presence on FB? (hint: It's not required)

[azrael]

12 hours ago, TehPW said:

what i suspected... do you have an MW presence on FB? (hint: It's not required)

The only semi-MW presence on FB I am aware are some members here are also on EXO's FB group. But again, beside some membership similarities, there is no association with MW. 

[RaisingCane]

Was the Zentradi fleet at the end of DYRL supposed to be roughly the same size as the one in the TV series?  And would that be taking into account the Meltrandi fleet or no?

[Seto Kaiba]

11 minutes ago, RaisingCane said:

Was the Zentradi fleet at the end of DYRL supposed to be roughly the same size as the one in the TV series?  And would that be taking into account the Meltrandi fleet or no?

The Zentradi fleet at the end of DYRL? is supposed to be the same fleet as the one that appeared in Ep27 of the SDF Macross TV series.  The Boddole Zer main fleet.

Macross Chronicle's Mechanic Sheet for the movie's Zentradi ships (Ai 02A) describes the Boddole Zer mobile fortress as commanding a fleet of approximately 5,000,000 ships, so the fleet being the same size does appear to be confirmed.

The Meltrandi World Guide sheet in Macross Chronicle (Ai 02A) says that the Meltrandi Laplamiz main fleet was similar in size to the Boddole Zer main fleet, though the Mechanic Sheets for the fleet's ships do not explicitly state the fleet was ~5 million ships.

[cheemingwan1234]

So given that we have things like space metal in Macross, how are the overtechnology derived materials in Macross produced? Do they use terrestial elements as precursors?

[Seto Kaiba]

59 minutes ago, cheemingwan1234 said:

So given that we have things like space metal in Macross, how are the overtechnology derived materials in Macross produced? Do they use terrestial elements as precursors?

When it comes to most forms of Overtechnology Material (OTMat), the particulars of how they are created is left unspecified except in one odd case.

"Space metal" itself is not a specific material.  Rather, it's an umbrella term that bordering on being a brand name that encompasses an array of different exotic alloys and composites that a firm named Dyna-Metal developed based on reverse-engineered OTM and produced in space-based factories.  There were a bunch of overlapping names for this family of new materials based on Overtechnology including Space Metal, Space Alloy, Dynametal, OTMetal, and OTMaterial.

Among the few details we do know is that there generally aren't any fictional exotic materials involved in their creation.  They start with ordinary everyday raw materials like carbon or aluminum and they're processed into engineered nanomaterials and then those are combined into alloys or composites to achieve the desired balance of properties.  The composite armor of things like ships and Valkyries and Destroids are functionally-graded composites that combines layers of a bunch of different materials with different properties to get to a balance of different attributes like structural rigidity, flexibility, weight, projectile resistance, etc.  Hypercarbon is probably the engineered nanomaterial that crops up the most, used heavily as a superior analogue to carbon fiber and in various nanostructure arrangements like fullerines and nanotubes.

The one material that explicitly uses exotic/fictional materials is also the only one for which we get some description of the actual manufacturing process: fold carbon.  That one's pure sci-fi, being a crystalline material made of exotic particles that catalyzes the creation of exotic particles used for gravity control.  Because it catalyzes the creation of the raw materials it's made from, it builds up naturally inside of running thermonuclear reactors and fold systems.  Specially modified reactors are used as crystal growth furnaces to mass produce the stuff.

[pengbuzz]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

When it comes to most forms of Overtechnology Material (OTMat), the particulars of how they are created is left unspecified except in one odd case.

"Space metal" itself is not a specific material.  Rather, it's an umbrella term that bordering on being a brand name that encompasses an array of different exotic alloys and composites that a firm named Dyna-Metal developed based on reverse-engineered OTM and produced in space-based factories.  There were a bunch of overlapping names for this family of new materials based on Overtechnology including Space Metal, Space Alloy, Dynametal, OTMetal, and OTMaterial.

Among the few details we do know is that there generally aren't any fictional exotic materials involved in their creation.  They start with ordinary everyday raw materials like carbon or aluminum and they're processed into engineered nanomaterials and then those are combined into alloys or composites to achieve the desired balance of properties.  The composite armor of things like ships and Valkyries and Destroids are functionally-graded composites that combines layers of a bunch of different materials with different properties to get to a balance of different attributes like structural rigidity, flexibility, weight, projectile resistance, etc.  Hypercarbon is probably the engineered nanomaterial that crops up the most, used heavily as a superior analogue to carbon fiber and in various nanostructure arrangements like fullerines and nanotubes.

The one material that explicitly uses exotic/fictional materials is also the only one for which we get some description of the actual manufacturing process: fold carbon.  That one's pure sci-fi, being a crystalline material made of exotic particles that catalyzes the creation of exotic particles used for gravity control.  Because it catalyzes the creation of the raw materials it's made from, it builds up naturally inside of running thermonuclear reactors and fold systems.  Specially modified reactors are used as crystal growth furnaces to mass produce the stuff.

Then there's whatever cats are made of: part liquid, part solid. And all fuzzy.

[Seto Kaiba]

18 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

Then there's whatever cats are made of: part liquid, part solid. And all fuzzy.

Functionally-graded materials are pretty common in nature... skin, bones, teeth, and tendons are just a couple examples.

Considering the Protoculture's great fondness for imitating biology in their technology, it's surprisingly appropriate that the materials they use to do so would also imitate life.

(At least, the ones that aren't out-and-out alive like the Evil-series weapons and other examples of their biotechnology.)

Edited November 2 by Seto Kaiba

[RaisingCane]

On 10/31/2025 at 6:08 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

The Zentradi fleet at the end of DYRL? is supposed to be the same fleet as the one that appeared in Ep27 of the SDF Macross TV series.  The Boddole Zer main fleet.

Macross Chronicle's Mechanic Sheet for the movie's Zentradi ships (Ai 02A) describes the Boddole Zer mobile fortress as commanding a fleet of approximately 5,000,000 ships, so the fleet being the same size does appear to be confirmed.

The Meltrandi World Guide sheet in Macross Chronicle (Ai 02A) says that the Meltrandi Laplamiz main fleet was similar in size to the Boddole Zer main fleet, though the Mechanic Sheets for the fleet's ships do not explicitly state the fleet was ~5 million ships.

 

So we're looking at around five billion ships in the Milky Way alone, right?  And I mean in what passes for the main Macross "continuity."

 

Are we also to assume that, by implication, there are other fleets in other galaxies as well?

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, RaisingCane said:

So we're looking at around five billion ships in the Milky Way alone, right?  And I mean in what passes for the main Macross "continuity."

So, it's a bit difficult to say for a couple reasons.

First, several different estimates for the number of Zentradi main fleets still active in the Milky Way have been given over the years.  "Over 1,000", "between 1,000 and 2,000", and "between 2,000 and 3,000" have all been given at various points.  IIRC in DYRL?, Perfect Memory, and SDF:M TV respectively.  So there's a rather broad range of possibilities there.  If we assume Boddole Zer's 118th/425th (depending on version) main fleet is typical, that's anywhere from 4.8 billion to possibly 14.4 billion.

Second, it's possible that not all main fleets are the same size.  The only one we've seen animated is Boddole Zer's fleet of approximately 4.8 million warships.  Macross II prequel games Macross 2036 and Macross: Eternal Love Song both went for the "millions of ships" route for the three main fleets presented between the two games and the fourth one the timeline mentions encountering later.  While it's not strictly official setting, Master File mentions a main fleet (the 1,534th) that is "only" 120,000 ships strong.

Third, factory satellites are in play.  The Zentradi forces have their galaxy-spanning network of factory satellites churning out new ships, pods, and soldiers constantly and the big fleet motherships are no exception.  Depending on how much opposition they're facing from the Supervision Army at any given point, that number could be going down OR up.

 

7 hours ago, RaisingCane said:

Are we also to assume that, by implication, there are other fleets in other galaxies as well?

Thus far, the only confirmed intergalactic travelers are the Vajra.

Presumably this is because they benefit from the superior abilities of fold quartz-based "super" fold navigation.

[pengbuzz]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Third, factory satellites are in play.  The Zentradi forces have their galaxy-spanning network of factory satellites churning out new ships, pods, and soldiers constantly and the big fleet motherships are no exception.  Depending on how much opposition they're facing from the Supervision Army at any given point, that number could be going down OR up.

I think that would make obtaining Factory Satellites a double priority for NUNS then; not only to replenish their own forces, but to deny the Zentraedi fleets out there more and more of the resources needed to keep the forever war going. I know it's a big galaxy with possibly thousands of these satellites; but it's better than the billions of ships!

Edited Wednesday at 08:21 PM by pengbuzz

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

I think that would make obtaining Factory Satellites a double priority for NUNS then; not only to replenish their own forces, but to deny the Zentraedi fleets out there more and more of the resources needed to keep the forever war going. I know it's a big galaxy with possibly thousands of these satellites; but it's better than the billions of ships!

Capturing and relocating enough factory satellites to make a noticeable dent in the logistics of the Zentradi's Forever War with the Supervision Army is probably impossible with the resources Humanity currently has or will have at any point in the foreseeable future.

According to Macross Chronicle, each individual fleet (not a main fleet, a regular one like Vrlitwhai's) has a logistical support backbone of approximately 20-50 factory satellites.  Each main fleet is made up of hundreds or thousands of branch fleets, and at the Zentradi's peak there were approximately 5,000 main fleets.  The Mechanic Sheet for the SDF:M TV series factory satellite asserts that there are millions of factory satellites out there just making battle pods day in and day out.  Tens of thousands making battleships.  Hundreds building the huge fleet motherships/mobile fortresses.  And because the Protoculture can never resist going overboard, there's also a factory satellite making other factory satellites.

[pengbuzz]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

 And because the Protoculture can never resist going overboard, there's also a factory satellite making other factory satellites.

 

[camk4evr]

On 2/25/2025 at 9:06 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

You'll never be able to unsee it once you realize the Aerial Knights are set up with the same style and tropes as the main characters from Ouran High School Host Club. 🤣

I know I can't.

Somehow I missed this post until now. 

My reaction:

"Oh my god, you're right."

 Quickly followed by:

 "Godamnit, Seto."

[Seto Kaiba]

17 hours ago, camk4evr said:

Somehow I missed this post until now. 

My reaction:

"Oh my god, you're right."

 Quickly followed by:

 "Godamnit, Seto."

Now, I'm not saying they're the same picture, but...

... well, when the group is a blonde "prince" leader, a cold and calculating megane who actually runs things, mischievous twins, an immature kid and a gigantic stoic... well... let's just say it could be hard to tell which one you're referring to without some extra context. 😆

 

Honestly, that there hasn't been a parody bit under the title Darwent Castle Host Club is both a shame and a waste.

I assume they left Qasim and/or Hermann out of the wall scroll because they're not as photogenic as the other five.

[Big s]

May have already been asked, but with the millions of zentraedi ships and thousands of factory satellites constantly pumping out troops and war machines, I’d imagine the Supervision armies are probably just as numerous. And with the branching out of immigration fleets throughout the galaxy, has one ever come into contact with the supervision army on or off screen in any way other than just finding wreckage? And if so has the reaction been similar to the Zentraedi 

Edited Friday at 05:52 PM by Big s

[Seto Kaiba]

45 minutes ago, Big s said:

May have already been asked, but with the millions of zentraedi ships and thousands of factory satellites constantly pumping out troops and war machines, I’d imagine the Supervision armies are probably just as numerous. And with the branching out of immigration fleets throughout the galaxy, has one ever come into contact with the supervision army on or off screen in any way other than just finding wreckage? And if so has the reaction been similar to the Zentraedi 

There hasn't been any mention of direct contact with the Supervision Army in any official media AFAIK.

Macross 7 depicts the New UN Forces encountering the Supervision Army's creators/leaders (the Protodeviln) and fighting a war against what is essentially Supervision Army v2.0, but nothing is said of the original Supervision Army forces still fighting the Zentradi across the galaxy.

It may be difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish a Zentradi force from a Supervision Army one at a glance though.  The Supervision Army wasn't a bespoke army created from the ground up to fight for the Protodeviln the way the Zentradi were developed to be the Protoculture's army.  The Supervision Army got its start as an ad hoc force made up of anyone and everyone the Protodeviln could capture, drain of spiritia, and mind control into doing their bidding and in their initial rampage across the galaxy their forces grew mainly by the simple expedient of doing the same to everyone they captured and making use of existing ships, weapons, facilities, etc. from those they captured.  Most of their forces would have been captured and mind controlled Zentradi, and that's probably even more true in the modern day 500,000 years later.  Their forces likely consist almost exclusively (if not entirely exclusively) of Zentradi clones using equipment produced in captured factory satellites.  Aside from ship classes and some equipment that may have been unique to certain regions and Protoculture emigrant governments, their forces probably look almost exactly like the Zentradi at a glance.

Since the New UN Forces practice a policy of "avoid whenever possible" when it comes to the "wild"/"lost" Zentradi roaming the galaxy, it's entirely possible they've detected several Supervision Army fleets and simply not stuck around long enough to tell them apart from the regular Zentradi.

[pengbuzz]

7 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There hasn't been any mention of direct contact with the Supervision Army in any official media AFAIK.

Macross 7 depicts the New UN Forces encountering the Supervision Army's creators/leaders (the Protodeviln) and fighting a war against what is essentially Supervision Army v2.0, but nothing is said of the original Supervision Army forces still fighting the Zentradi across the galaxy.

It may be difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish a Zentradi force from a Supervision Army one at a glance though.  The Supervision Army wasn't a bespoke army created from the ground up to fight for the Protodeviln the way the Zentradi were developed to be the Protoculture's army.  The Supervision Army got its start as an ad hoc force made up of anyone and everyone the Protodeviln could capture, drain of spiritia, and mind control into doing their bidding and in their initial rampage across the galaxy their forces grew mainly by the simple expedient of doing the same to everyone they captured and making use of existing ships, weapons, facilities, etc. from those they captured.  Most of their forces would have been captured and mind controlled Zentradi, and that's probably even more true in the modern day 500,000 years later.  Their forces likely consist almost exclusively (if not entirely exclusively) of Zentradi clones using equipment produced in captured factory satellites.  Aside from ship classes and some equipment that may have been unique to certain regions and Protoculture emigrant governments, their forces probably look almost exactly like the Zentradi at a glance.

Since the New UN Forces practice a policy of "avoid whenever possible" when it comes to the "wild"/"lost" Zentradi roaming the galaxy, it's entirely possible they've detected several Supervision Army fleets and simply not stuck around long enough to tell them apart from the regular Zentradi.

Question: with the Protodevlin learning to create their own Spirit and departing (per the events of Macross 7), what would have happened to those Supervision Army forces? Would the Protodevlin have freed them from mind control, or do we simply not know (or am I mistaken on their relation to the Protodevlin)?

[Seto Kaiba]

41 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:

Question: with the Protodevlin learning to create their own Spirit and departing (per the events of Macross 7), what would have happened to those Supervision Army forces? Would the Protodevlin have freed them from mind control, or do we simply not know (or am I mistaken on their relation to the Protodevlin)?

Nothing, in all likelihood.

The Protodeviln aren't controlling their forces with telepathy or space magic or anything like that where No Ontological Inertia might apply.  Being drained of spiritia (mental energy) puts people in a state of mental collapse that makes them more vulnerable to technological mind control.  As shown in Macross 7, the spiritia-drained Varauta forces were kept in line by mind control devices built into their helmets and other headgear.  The Protodeviln learning to generate their own spiritia and taking off wouldn't free them from control.  Only the removal of the mind control devices and a good blast of sound energy to help them regenerate the lost spiritia can bring them out of it.  

Kind of the same reason the Supervision Army wasn't really slowed down much at all by the Protodeviln being defeated and sealed away by the anima spiritia in ancient history.

[Big s]

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Nothing, in all likelihood.

The Protodeviln aren't controlling their forces with telepathy or space magic or anything like that where No Ontological Inertia might apply.  Being drained of spiritia (mental energy) puts people in a state of mental collapse that makes them more vulnerable to technological mind control.  As shown in Macross 7, the spiritia-drained Varauta forces were kept in line by mind control devices built into their helmets and other headgear.  The Protodeviln learning to generate their own spiritia and taking off wouldn't free them from control.  Only the removal of the mind control devices and a good blast of sound energy to help them regenerate the lost spiritia can bring them out of it.  

Kind of the same reason the Supervision Army wasn't really slowed down much at all by the Protodeviln being defeated and sealed away by the anima spiritia in ancient history.

Are the supervision army still being created or somehow controlling new recruits? Seems like the protodevlin had ditched out a while ago before being re awakened

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, Big s said:

Are the supervision army still being created or somehow controlling new recruits?

They would have to be.  The war between the Zentradi and the Supervision Army has been going on for 500,000 years.

The captured and brainwashed Protoculture civilians and Zentradi soldiers who made up the original generation of Supervision Army soldiers are no more immune to injury or to the ravages of time than a Human.  Given that the Protodeviln and their Supervision Army drove the Protoculture to the brink of extinction in a few short years, there would be only one way for the Supervision Army to feasibly sustain itself long-term: using the existing factory satellite infrastructure in the territory they controlled to create fresh clone soldiers, mobile weapons, and ships for their cause.

Ultimately, the Zentradi and Supervision Army are two inexhaustible armies of Zentradi clones locked in a Forever War with each other because their last orders were to "destroy the enemy" and anyone capable of ordering them to stop died or disappeared half a million years ago.

 

4 hours ago, Big s said:

Seems like the protodevlin had ditched out a while ago before being re awakened

They didn't really ditch the Supervision Army.

They were defeated, captured, and turned into Sealed Evil in a Can by the Protoculture's Anima Spiritia.  They remained sealed for 500,000 years until Humanity colonized the Varauta system and started poking around in the Protoculture ruins on one of the other planets in the system, where the Protodeviln happened to have been sealed.  They accidentally let the Protodeviln out, causing the events of Macross 7.

Of course, since the Protodeviln were simply the Supervision Army's top-level commanders rather than being some kind of puppeteer parasite controlling those people directly, their defeat and sealing did nothing to actually stop the Supervision Army.  Their brainwashed troops just kept right on fighting according to their last orders.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

They were defeated, captured, and turned into Sealed Evil in a Can by the Protoculture's Anima Spiritia.  They remained sealed for 500,000 years until Humanity colonized the Varauta system and started poking around in the Protoculture ruins on one of the other planets in the system, where the Protodeviln happened to have been sealed.  They accidentally let the Protodeviln out, causing the events of Macross 7.

Of course, since the Protodeviln were simply the Supervision Army's top-level commanders rather than being some kind of puppeteer parasite controlling those people directly, their defeat and sealing did nothing to actually stop the Supervision Army.  Their brainwashed troops just kept right on fighting according to their last orders.

I was really wondering how they are able to continue to control new recruits due to their long absence? 

[Seto Kaiba]

44 minutes ago, Big s said:

I was really wondering how they are able to continue to control new recruits due to their long absence? 

The Protodeviln?  They aren't, as far as we know.  Probably never have been, in the direct sense.

It's a fairly safe bet that the mind control tech the Protodeviln used on the Varauta forces is the same stuff they used for the Supervision Army, and the way it's described in-series and in supplemental materials it's basically Hollywood hypnosis.  They drain a person's spiritia to weaken their mental defenses and then equip them with a sonic device that emits special sound waves to keep them in a sort of hypnotic trance so they're suggestible enough to follow orders.  

The only people the Protodeviln have really controlled in a direct sense are the people they possess in Macross 7 like Gepernich, Gigile, or (occasionally) Sivil.

[Big s]

25 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The Protodeviln?  They aren't, as far as we know.  Probably never have been, in the direct sense.

It's a fairly safe bet that the mind control tech the Protodeviln used on the Varauta forces is the same stuff they used for the Supervision Army, and the way it's described in-series and in supplemental materials it's basically Hollywood hypnosis.  They drain a person's spiritia to weaken their mental defenses and then equip them with a sonic device that emits special sound waves to keep them in a sort of hypnotic trance so they're suggestible enough to follow orders.  

The only people the Protodeviln have really controlled in a direct sense are the people they possess in Macross 7 like Gepernich, Gigile, or (occasionally) Sivil.

Thanks for the responses. I’m a bit more old school and love the og stuff most and really haven’t read up on stuff beyond that.