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According to the Chinese Macross forum:

its not Ranka, but rather its Sheryl and Alto in Galia4 with Ranka and Michel in Frontier departing to look for the duo.

Not sure of the reliability of the source, so take it with a grain of salt, but it does make much more sense unless something drastic occurs in next episode.

With the current setup, the Chinese fans are probably right. We should probably look at the preview scan again.

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According to the Chinese Macross forum:

its not Ranka, but rather its Sheryl and Alto in Galia4 with Ranka and Michel in Frontier departing to look for the duo.

Not sure of the reliability of the source, so take it with a grain of salt, but it does make much more sense unless something drastic occurs in next episode.

Actually I believe

Ranka will be sent to Galia IV with Alto to sing instead of Sheryl, who will be in treatment for her illness... Then their valk will malfunction (sabotage by Leon/Grace?) and they will get stranded somewhere in the planet...

This makes more sense to me... :ph34r:

So many possibilities... ^_^

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I'm confused. I thought at the end of this episode, Sheryl and Alto WERE going to Gallia 4. :blink:

Yes, but the translation posted a while back indicated

Alto was going to be alone with Ranka later on

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http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...st&p=600919

The setup from this episode doesn't seem to point to

Ranka being alone with Alto, but Sheryl being alone with Alto and Ranka pushing Michael to go and look for them

. We really need to look at the preview scans again.

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Actually I believe

Ranka will be sent to Galia IV with Alto to sing instead of Sheryl, who will be in treatment for her illness... Then their valk will malfunction (sabotage by Leon/Grace?) and they will get stranded somewhere in the planet...

This makes more sense to me... :ph34r:

So many possibilities... ^_^

That was kind of close to what I was thinking, with

Sheryl sick Ranka could play the Minmay role of calming down the Zentradi rioters

:ph34r:

Yes, but the translation posted a while back indicated

Alto was going to be alone with Ranka later on

.

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?show...st&p=600919

The setup from this episode doesn't seem to point to

Ranka being alone with Alto, but Sheryl being alone with Alto and Ranka pushing Michael to go and look for them

. We really need to look at the preview scans again.

I don't really see Ranka just jumping in a Valkyrie just for Alto... but if her First Live!! (or maybe Second Live!!) gets relocated or booked on Galia IV that would make alot of sense. Actually, that could be what Grace and Leon had been setting things up for...

Either way... yeah, it's time to look at the preview scans again.

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I just noticed how bad the Spaceliner in the end was textured. Looks like someone painted it in 5 minutes in microsoft paint.

Otherwise very nice character-driven episode. Though I don't know if they should have revealed so many plot points at once, what with the VF-27, the government and Grace.

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Is this Kamujin's clone brother?

It was just such a shock to see a character with that design, regardless of whether or not it is a clone of the original Kamujin/Kamjin/*Khyron* whatever....

Looking at it as well, does his helmet design seem similar too? I assume that that thing over his eye might be a targetting device rather than some cybernetic implant, but we will have to wait and see.

With all the Queadluun-Rau action in this series, I think it would also be cool to see a Regult/Reguld Battle pod cameo as well, especially as they were one of the original Macross iconic designs. I know its probably too much to hope for. The shots on the Zentradi command deck looked really cool too.

Can't wait for the next episode.

Taksraven

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Hmmm... quick thought.. could Leon and co be trying to set up an encounter with the Vajra on the planet? I don't know how much anti-alien sentiment there may be on Galaxy.. but it's possible that they want to use them as bait, and let them do the fighting, away from the colonization fleets.

Looking forward to seeing the sub on this one, so much dialogue is hard to keep up with.

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From next week episode:

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Ohhhh: Zentradi TV outfits!!!! I'm drooling

YES!!!!! (climbs into time machine and hopes to emerge in the future to watch this episode)

Taksraven

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Sorry if this has been mentioned before but is that Breetai I see in the preview!? The bald buy with the metal head/face plate!?

It could be, we are not sure yet. Would be cool if it was him or a clone.

Taksraven

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I'm wondering why there hasn't been more speculation about this... it seems like it might be more than just a simple case of coming down with the flu. Did she just get sick recently, or is it a chronic condition she's been managing the whole time with medicine? If she has some sort of terminal disease, it might explain a lot, especially considering Galaxy's acknowledged expertise with biotechnology.

you never saw the pool-side scene, did you?

...with Shreyl going 'achoo' and 'Mikhail' draping a towel around her and started to flirt with her with all the fanboys going nuts on the whole thing?

man, I feel like half the ppl reading this thread haven't seen the episode yet

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Probably the lack of the earring is the reason of her condition, maybe the crystals of one or another way have curative properties

I figure that she's suffering from the Frontier NE 2 cold virus that she talked about in her blog. Would fit with the news footage of those people in stretchers.

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you never saw the pool-side scene, did you?

I did (it's almost the first scene, after all), but being cold doesn't cause illness, all motherly advice to the contrary. :) Of course, this is a fictional universe, so it's plausible the cause really is that simple, but I was kinda hoping for something more significant. Still, maybe this is just a case of a spade being a spade.

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Actually I believe

Ranka will be sent to Galia IV with Alto to sing instead of Sheryl, who will be in treatment for her illness... Then their valk will malfunction (sabotage by Leon/Grace?) and they will get stranded somewhere in the planet...

This makes more sense to me... :ph34r:

So many possibilities... ^_^

How can Ranka go with Alto to Galia IV when Alto is already on it with Sheryl once

Sheryl falls sick, if anything it's Michael who takes Ranka there. Will be hilarious if the spoilers were stuffed up and it's Alto and Sheryl crash landing + a good long talk, especially since Ranka fans are hyping this moment up.

Remember Luca was saying it will take 1 day to go there but 1 week to come back. And according to spoilers it's

Michael and Sheryl who go looking for Alto and Ranka so it makes sense for Michael to be the one taking Ranka there.

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The fact that the womanizer had to tell Ranka that Alto wasn't coming shows Alto's selfish side. The least he could have done was call her, maybe leave a message. But I'll let it slide this time since it's his birthday present and that his family decided to give him a hard time, again. But as I've said, the ball is in Sheryl's court. It will go back to Ranka's as part of the natural order of things. Then back to Sheryl, then back to Ranka, wash, rinse, repeat, etc.

I think Micheal's status as a "womanizer" was irrelevant to the whole thing.

And yes, I'm in agreement that Alto should have at least called Ranka. I stated as much in my original response on this subject. But the fact of the matter is that the circumstances of Ranka's gift weren't particularly well thought out either. Ranka contacted Alto to ask him to come to her special spot so that she could give him a bag of cookies? It seems to me that there was more in it for Ranka than for Alto.

A friend of mine pointed out that Sheryl's the one who's really thinking of Alto in this situation. She's the one who sets up something that Alto will enjoy, and then goes to Alto. Ranka's trying to be nice in this situation, but the fact that she summoned Alto to her special spot to give Alto her gift suggests that she's thinking just as much about herself as she is about Alto (not that she's consciously doing so). What she should have done is what Sheryl appears to have done (I'll know for certain once I've got a translation available) - i.e. tracked Alto down at a location that she knew he'd be at, and offered the gift there.

That still doesn't let Alto off the hook for not calling her, of course.

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What she should have done is what Sheryl appears to have done (I'll know for certain once I've got a translation available) - i.e. tracked Alto down at a location that she knew he'd be at, and offered the gift there.

Sheryl called Alto up and asked to meet him (Alto says something like, "And what does Sheryl-sama want with me?") there but considering the VF's are fly past their a lot she probably choose the location for him.

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I did (it's almost the first scene, after all), but being cold doesn't cause illness, all motherly advice to the contrary. :) Of course, this is a fictional universe, so it's plausible the cause really is that simple, but I was kinda hoping for something more significant. Still, maybe this is just a case of a spade being a spade.

So blaming it on the outfits she wears would just be an "old wives tale" about the causes of sickness? :p

I don't think any possible feelings for Sheryl had anything to do with his decision to go to Gallia IV in this episode. He loves to fly, plain and simple, and he would have made the same choice whether it was Ozma, or Klan, or Leon offering the opportunity. The fact that Sheryl is with him is just a nice perk. I really couldn't think of a better way to spend my birthday.

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What she should have done is what Sheryl appears to have done (I'll know for certain once I've got a translation available) - i.e. tracked Alto down at a location that she knew he'd be at, and offered the gift there.

I think sheryl also called him out to that place. it was a set meeting. queen sheryl beckoned, and alto-hime came a-running. haha. :)

Man, this is a GREAT episode! am i off for loving this one? as far as character episodes go, this one might be the best so far. is it just because it's the lates episode? i don't think so. i'm particularly struck with the balance between all three characters. is it alto's episode? surely, since we see his family background. but it could just as well be ranka's episode, for all the changes that she's going through, and her clear-as-crystal feelings for alto. but hey, don't count sheryl-san out! her constant support and advice for ranka is coupled with her incoming illness (it can't just be the common cold, no sir. that's not fit for Queen Sheryl.) and her insightfulness when it comes to alto's personality.

just effin brilliant.

ok, some notables:

1. this is a no-brainer: KAMJIN!!!!! wow!! he MUSt be related to Kamjin somehow; a clone, a descendant or what. the fact that they just had to include his face in the preview (with that exact same smirk, no less), is no accident. and that the fleet he belongs to is a group of zentraedi malcontents. ha!! (on this note, any scoops on whether the same seiyuu will play this new character?)

2. is that a britai clone? not too sure. maybe, maybe not (the kamjin close-up took too much attention. hehe.). but if it is, wouldn't it be ironic that one of the 33rd fleet is related to, or descended from, the one zentraedi most responsible for the alliance with humanity?

3. till now, all we've been hearing is alto's father. this episode got me slapping my forehead, "i completely forgot about the mother??". is it just a coincidence that in the one moment of flashback where alto shows his true childhood desire to fly, the one in the flashback with him is her mother? with all this talk about blood, and inheriting his acting skills from his father, isn't it possible that he inherited his skill (and desire) to fly from his mother? hmmm.....

4. i'm loving sheryl even more with this episode. what wily thinking. or at the very least, it was very thoughtful of her. what a great birthday gift. and her whispered "thank you for coming" to alto? priceless! she is just, hands down, the queen!

5. that being said, a soft spot goes to ranka for this episode. very touching story from her end. and you can't help but feel her side of the triangle. awww....

6. ok, at least that solves the question: grace is not the person/secret agent that leon met back in frontier. from the same group, but not the same person. unless you're gonna tell me that she can talk to leon with her mind? hehe. one thing i know is.. man, she knows everything that's going on.

7. and the references! subtle, and nicely played. :) the front row ticket! ha, the first thought that came to mind: "ok they have cellphones now, this shouldn't be a problem at all." hehe. but macrossF played a trick on me. instead of going in that direction in this episode, it jumped to another reference: sheryl on the transport jet (with what looks like the same armored-seats in SDFM) with alto's VF25 as an escort. very cool! and the whole episode ends with ranka's diary, a possible nod to the old photo-album ending. :)

8. was alto selfish? i don't think so. or at least, i didn't get that impression. he did pick the reasonable choice. i mean, he could fly in a real atmosphere. and let's not forget that it's his birthday. not ranka's. so i can understand why ranka doesn't even seem to hold it against him. he should be happy, it's his birthday. basically, sheryl just gave the best gift. it's just unfortunate that by accepting that gift, alto couldn't be present to accept ranka's. to be fair, he gave it a lot of thought. he sure as hell ain't Hikaru, who just stood misa up in the blink of an eye (ok he gave it some though. a second or two) just because minmei called him for a date. and he didn't even call or leave a message. from that perspective, alto sure acted a lot better.

but as to why he sent micheal? i'd like tt give him the benefit of the doubt with this one. he could have called but the phone was busy. he could have left a message, but he wanted to make sure someone was there at the meeting place in case she didn't get the message. the root of it all, maybe he was guilty at not showing up. as opposed to hikaru, alto seems to have an understanding of what his act of standing up ranka means. in that sense, maybe he was just too guilty, so he sent the cavalry.

questions:

1 does ozma know it was alto that ranka kissed in the movie?

2. who sang the new ED song? it should be nakajima megumi, since it was her diary and all. but she's also starting to sound like maaya sakamoto already...

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6. ok, at least that solves the question: grace is not the person/secret agent that leon met back in frontier. from the same group, but not the same person. unless you're gonna tell me that she can talk to leon with her mind? hehe. one thing i know is.. man, she knows everything that's going on.

Of course she can make phone calls from her head. Have you watched any Ghost in the Shell?

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6. ok, at least that solves the question: grace is not the person/secret agent that leon met back in frontier. from the same group, but not the same person. unless you're gonna tell me that she can talk to leon with her mind? hehe. one thing i know is.. man, she knows everything that's going on.

By now it should be pretty clear to anybody who did watch the previous episodes that Grace is a cyborg and can communicate with her mind through VR. She is the one who talked to Leon in episode 10 since there was apparently no Grace in that episode but the voice actress for Grace was listed in the credits (so obvious!). ^_^

How can Ranka go with Alto to Galia IV when Alto is already on it with Sheryl once

Sheryl falls sick, if anything it's Michael who takes Ranka there. Will be hilarious if the spoilers were stuffed up and it's Alto and Sheryl crash landing + a good long talk, especially since Ranka fans are hyping this moment up.

Remember Luca was saying it will take 1 day to go there but 1 week to come back. And according to spoilers it's

Michael and Sheryl who go looking for Alto and Ranka so it makes sense for Michael to be the one taking Ranka there.

Well Michael, Alto or whatever... the fact is

Ranka will be taken to Galia IV. This still proves my point that those getting stranded in episode 13 are Ranka and Alto...

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You know...

I gotta say...

Sheryl c***blocked the hell out of Ranka. :blink:

Right after talking to Ranka about the ticket and getting dizzy (when she drops her drink), when she's on the couch in her underwear she has this evil grin of enlightenment...

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You know...

I gotta say...

Sheryl c***blocked the hell out of Ranka. :blink:

Right after talking to Ranka about the ticket and getting dizzy (when she drops her drink), when she's on the couch in her underwear she has this evil grin of enlightenment...

Is it still c***blocking if a woman does it? Wouldn't it technically then be c***blocking...? :p

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By now it should be pretty clear to anybody who did watch the previous episodes that Grace is a cyborg and can communicate with her mind through VR. She is the one who talked to Leon in episode 10 since there was apparently no Grace in that episode but the voice actress for Grace was listed in the credits (so obvious!). ^_^

can you please define what comes across as "clear to anybody" these days? did i miss an episode where they broke grace apart piece by cyborg piece?

i know about her being the voice of the agent. can't a seiyuu voice two persons these days?

anyway, communicating with her mind ala Kusanagi in GITS i one thing. to have it come out as actual "sound" to a non-person on the other end is another. so she mind melds with a computer, who in turn translates her digitized thoughts into actual sounds, which then talks to leon? and leon's voice get's translated back into digital thoughts? too much effort. i have the impression that she's just listening in to a conversation between leon and the male agent from the last episode. maybe the male agent is her clone, maybe they share the same consciousness. maybe you're right that it's he exact same person, altrhough a pretty-good shape-shifter at that. but to espouse it as the one true and obvious truth is jumping the gun, don't you think. ;)

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... unless you're gonna tell me that she can talk to leon with her mind? hehe. one thing i know is.. man, she knows everything that's going on.

anyway, communicating with her mind ala Kusanagi in GITS i one thing. to have it come out as actual "sound" to a non-person on the other end is another. so she mind melds with a computer, who in turn translates her digitized thoughts into actual sounds, which then talks to leon? and leon's voice get's translated back into digital thoughts? too much effort.

Would anybody care to explain how a cyber brain works with relation to Grace to our friend here? I'm not in the mood. <_<

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Is it still c***blocking if a woman does it? Wouldn't it technically then be c***blocking...? :p

I think both are correct... but then again I grew up with girls who had a fondness for saying 'suck my d***!'

Sometimes I wish I was English; the 'C' word over there is like saying 'darn.'

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