kino Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 how's is ranka lee 1/4 zentradi? one of her grandparents were zentradi? how does a human mate with a zentradi... any other interesting tidbits about the sci fi in macross would be much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 how's is ranka lee 1/4 zentradi? one of her grandparents were zentradi? how does a human mate with a zentradi... any other interesting tidbits about the sci fi in macross would be much appreciated Ask the expert, Max Genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) how's is ranka lee 1/4 zentradi? one of her grandparents were zentradi? how does a human mate with a zentradi... any other interesting tidbits about the sci fi in macross would be much appreciated Hehehe.... I believe u should head to the "Newbies Questions on Macross" thread... I'd rather turn this thread into a "name the SCI-FI inspirations for Macross..." one. For example... I've always thought that the Zentradi Esbeliben Regult Battlepods were inspired by the Tripods from War of the Worlds & the Space Pod from Stanley Kubrick's "2001"... Edited May 23, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I think this can be included in the newbie question. I predict Lord Azrael will come with his mighty lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3v Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) how's is ranka lee 1/4 zentradi? one of her grandparents were zentradi? how does a human mate with a zentradi... any other interesting tidbits about the sci fi in macross would be much appreciated Back in the day, we used to find out the answers to these questions by going to our favorite video store and checking out the "special titles" in the back. Edited May 22, 2008 by d3v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 how's is ranka lee 1/4 zentradi? one of her grandparents were zentradi? how does a human mate with a zentradi... We'll, presumably one of them has to either micronize or macronize until they are both the same size and then they do it the good old fashioned way. If you don't know how it's done yet, google 'sex education', or ask your parents. It's not my job to teach you the facts of life! Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Well, there is always the test tube baby for the safest way (but boring) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Hehehe.... I believe u should head to the "Newbies Questions on Macross" thread... I'd rather turn this thread into a "name the SCI-FI inspirations for Macross..." one. For example... I've always thought that the Zentradi Esbeliben Regult Battlepods were inspired by the Tripods from War of the Worlds & the Space Pod from Stanley Kubrick's "2001"... I think that the Miss Macross competition in Macross Frontier was inspired by the Miss Macross Competition in the SDF:M series. Taksraven (I know that responses like that make baby Jesus cry, but.........) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_breetai Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I think that the Miss Macross competition in Macross Frontier was inspired by the Miss Macross Competition in the SDF:M series. Taksraven (I know that responses like that make baby Jesus cry, but.........) Really, well I think Lanka's rendition of "My Boyfriend Is a Pilot" was inspired by Minmay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 In before lock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I was going to post this in the Klan thread, but as we are trying to keep it clean, I'll be naughty and sneak it in here instead...tee hee! Here's my 'safe sex' solution for when the male is micronized and the female is macronized, ala Klan and Mikhail. Bad Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I was going to post this in the Klan thread, but as we are trying to keep it clean, I'll be naughty and sneak it in here instead...tee hee! Here's my 'safe sex' solution for when the male is micronized and the female is macronized, ala Klan and Mikhail. Bad Graham Yuck deculture :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) I was going to post this in the Klan thread, but as we are trying to keep it clean, I'll be naughty and sneak it in here instead...tee hee! Here's my 'safe sex' solution for when the male is micronized and the female is macronized, ala Klan and Mikhail. Bad Graham It should also include a scuba dive mask and/or air tank... Edited May 22, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Hehehe.... I believe u should head to the "Newbies Questions on Macross" thread... I'd rather turn this thread into a "name the SCI-FI inspirations for Macross..." one. For example... I've always thought that the Zentradi Esbeliben Regult Battlepods were inspired by the Tripods from War of the Worlds & the Space Pod from Stanley Kubrick's "2001"... Or maybe how Macross has inspired other sci fi. For instance, the way Battlestar galactica is going right now (with the heavy reliance on peace between peoples, and music), i wouldn't be surprised if Ron Moore turned out to be a macross fan. On the other hand, the concept of a space ark carrying humanity's survivors in macross could have been inspired by the original BSG series. So at this point, they're even. Of course Macross was also probably partly inspired by the oldest of them all: Space Battleship Yamato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Or maybe how Macross has inspired other sci fi. For instance, the way Battlestar galactica is going right now (with the heavy reliance on peace between peoples, and music), i wouldn't be surprised if Ron Moore turned out to be a macross fan. On the other hand, the concept of a space ark carrying humanity's survivors in macross could have been inspired by the original BSG series. So at this point, they're even. Of course Macross was also probably partly inspired by the oldest of them all: Space Battleship Yamato. Well... Both Kazutaka Miyatake & Shoji Kawamori worked in Uchuu Senkan Yamato as interns/guest designers I believe (Kawamori was a teenager back then). Miyatake designed the SDF-1, so I guess he must have seen the original BSG since his Macross design is waaay different than those of Yamato. I read somewhere that Kawamori is a fan of Space Battleship Yamato & it influenced his works a lot... Gamilons= Zentradi Wave Motion Gun = Super Dimension Cannon Wave Motion Engine = Fold Reactor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Do we know if there was any real sf or literary inspiration for the Zentradi to be a race of giants? Are they based on anything interesting. Or did the producers just think that they would be a good idea? Or did having a race of giants in the series justify the Valks? Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I'm not sure the sex education question should be answered in this or the newbie thread... As for sci-fi in Macross...please continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Speaking of BSG, jumps look alot more like old fashioned folds in that series... but oddly in Frontier the folds seem alot more like something out of Stargate. As good as BSG is all around, it'd be that much better with bridge bunnies. While not technically sci-fi, and I don't know how likely the inspiration would be... but for some reason the only thing I could think of at the end of Macross 7 was Ghostbusters II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Speaking of BSG, jumps look alot more like old fashioned folds in that series... but oddly in Frontier the folds seem alot more like something out of Stargate. As good as BSG is all around, it'd be that much better with bridge bunnies. I agree that the FTL methods are similar, but I think I can find the differences (this is what I do, I get to the bottom of how things work in Sci-fi ). The way I see it, the hyperspace jumps in Galactica are basically the same as a space fold, but in Galactica they seem instantaneous whereas in Macross they seem to take time fold from one location to another (giving off the appearance of a tunnel like hyperspace or wormholes). The fact of the matter is though, wormholes is exactly what it is, because that is all wormholes are, folding space. So I see the 'Jump' technology of Galactica and the fold space technology of Macross to be artificially folding space which is just basically temporary wormholes. As for the reason as to why the jumps are instantaneous in Galactica and take travel time in Macross, there are two possible reasons. - The first, and IMO most likely, is that in Galactica they don't have the power to do long distance jumps so they do short jumps. These jumps are short enough that you wouldn't see the tunnel effect and the jump/fold would be almost instantaneous, but still technically a wormhole of some type (I'm not sure if these sci-fi space folds would constitute an Einstein Rosenbridge, which is a type of theoretical wormhole). In Macross perhaps because of overtechnology they have the power to do longer folds so you see them in a sense of taking time and traveling within the tunnel. - The second reason I can think of is kind of the opposite of above, which is assuming Galactica doesn't have power for long jumps but in Macross they do. Supposedly if you are going to travel say 20 lightyears you can do that taking more time with the tunnel and the traveling, or with more power you can make the fold tighter, as in the entrance and exit points are closer together so the fold would be quick and seem instantaneous. So perhaps in Macross they don't have the power to do instantaneous long range jumps, so they do long distance folding that takes a while to pass through the tunnel. Both theories can actually be true, it depends on if Galactica is doing short or long jumps, and I assumed in Macross they do longer range as the get to places near the center of the Galaxy which is quite far from Earth. Another possibility is that the long tunnel-like fold in Macross is composed of many jump-like folds in Galactica linked in a chain, which would fit well with the first theory actually. There is my sci-fi examination of the day, I do this kind of thinking all the time so feel free to ask me stuff that I might have thought about. And yes, Galactica should have Bridge Bunnies . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Here's my 'safe sex' solution for when the male is micronized and the female is macronized, ala Klan and Mikhail. tongue.gif Bad Graham A guy in a mosquito net is your idea of safe sex? As to sci-fi stuff... I don't know anything about science - so I haven't got much to say on this point. In fact; everything I learned about science I learned in cartoons and comic books But this thread is an interesting read. VFTF1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 As to sci-fi stuff... I don't know anything about science - so I haven't got much to say on this point. In fact; everything I learned about science I learned in cartoons and comic books But this thread is an interesting read. VFTF1 It's not for everyone, but science is everywhere in my life and I love it. I'm not any aspiring scientist though, I am an aerospace engineering student (hence the engineering quote in the sig) so you can imagine this kind of stuff is just right up my ally, big space ships, small ones, even the valkyries are just amazing works of engineering I think. Besides of lack of technology I think the only thing that'd keep a valkyrie from existing in real life is that there really isn't a good reason for a battroid... unless we meet some giant aliens sometime soon. However that doesn't mean I can't dream... and draw up rough design sketches that I may someday use . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proto Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 THere are some things i can see from Macross that can exist in real life, for example the konig monster could be the tank of the future if the army was serious on building such a thing. A friend of mind who is in the army tells me that the armed forces actually look at stuff like Macross for ideas for the next gen for their war machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross007 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 THere are some things i can see from Macross that can exist in real life, for example the konig monster could be the tank of the future if the army was serious on building such a thing. A friend of mind who is in the army tells me that the armed forces actually look at stuff like Macross for ideas for the next gen for their war machines. Great. Let's built more weapons in real life to kill innocent civilians in so called "collateral damages". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeWill Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Do we even have anything applicable enough for a power plant in a Valkyrie or Monster? Maybe nuclear in a Monster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batou Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 A guy in a mosquito net is your idea of safe sex? MOSQUITO NET?!?!?!? Now you tell me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exsedol Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Why do zentradi even have reproductive organs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 So this is about sex in Macross?? It could have been easy for the Protoculture to make the Zentradi infertile in that they had the organs but not working. The only reason I can think of for the Zentradi to be able to reproduce and also interbreed with humanity was because the Protoculture were expecting it to occur at some point, probably as part of their legacy if they went extinct. After all at least a group of Protoculture programmed the ruins in Macross 7 to no be able to be access by humans nor Zentradi but only by the symbol of peace, Mylene a Zentradi-human hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Do we even have anything applicable enough for a power plant in a Valkyrie or Monster? Maybe nuclear in a Monster... Well Valkyries in the shows are powered by thermonuclear reactors as well. The engines in their legs are basically compact nuclear reactors (which heat up air/gas to a plasma state and thrust it out for propellant). A monster probably would need/has in the show a bigger reactor or reactors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 A guy in a mosquito net is your idea of safe sex? As to sci-fi stuff... I don't know anything about science - so I haven't got much to say on this point. In fact; everything I learned about science I learned in cartoons and comic books But this thread is an interesting read. VFTF1 amazing. i thought this was thread was certainly going to be locked. the first question was really way out there. it's a good thing the thread topic itself had almost nothing to do with the first question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) THere are some things i can see from Macross that can exist in real life, for example the konig monster could be the tank of the future if the army was serious on building such a thing. A friend of mind who is in the army tells me that the armed forces actually look at stuff like Macross for ideas for the next gen for their war machines. a few years back, i actually read an article that the military was trying to develop air fighters with V/STOL (vertical/short take off and landing) and space capability, and that one of the more efficient designs that the military was considering was reconfiguring parts of the aircraft to maket perfect VSTOL possible. in the article, the military was actually looking at the designs of macross valkyries to determine which aspects of the design are actually feasible. was i excited when i read the article! part of me wanted to fly to the pentagon, and enlist. for the life of me, can't find that article anymore. i'm trying to search for the article again via google, but here's something else that i found. an old one, but a fascinating read: mech and engineering experts here, feel free to agree or disagree. heck, for all i know , maybe even one of you wrote the article. http://www.nationalexposer.com/dec012000-1.htm here's an interesting part of the article: "Our on site source apparently had to back off, way off. The last reports we received stated that he was leaving Texas due to investigations being launched his direction. Apparently the cockpit designs (and future cockpit designs) were not accessible. The engine designs were also heavily guarded. My web sources state theories on fusion engines and full body sensor suits that make the Mech react exactly like the pilot’s movements, with some computer corrections to fill in the differences. It seems that women’s body movements worked most efficiently with this piloting system. We hope men who qualify for the body movement program weren’t chastised too much by their peers. None of these reports have been confirmed however". Sounds like the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist, but if this has some truth to it... Edited May 23, 2008 by dreamweaver13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 a few years back, i actually read an article that the military was trying to develop air fighters with V/STOL (vertical/short take off and landing) and space capability, and that one of the more efficient designs that the military was considering was reconfiguring parts of the aircraft to maket perfect VSTOL possible. in the article, the military was actually looking at the designs of macross valkyries to determine which aspects of the design are actually feasible. was i excited when i read the article! part of me wanted to fly to the pentagon, and enlist. for the life of me, can't find that article anymore. i'm trying to search for the article again via google, but here's something else that i found. an old one, but a fascinating read: mech and engineering experts here, feel free to agree or disagree. heck, for all i know , maybe even one of you wrote the article. http://www.nationalexposer.com/dec012000-1.htm here's an interesting part of the article: "Our on site source apparently had to back off, way off. The last reports we received stated that he was leaving Texas due to investigations being launched his direction. Apparently the cockpit designs (and future cockpit designs) were not accessible. The engine designs were also heavily guarded. My web sources state theories on fusion engines and full body sensor suits that make the Mech react exactly like the pilot’s movements, with some computer corrections to fill in the differences. It seems that women’s body movements worked most efficiently with this piloting system. We hope men who qualify for the body movement program weren’t chastised too much by their peers. None of these reports have been confirmed however". Sounds like the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist, but if this has some truth to it... I agree that military are probably looking into mech systems for practical use and someday we may see mechs. I certainly can see a valkyrie style mech usable, the gerwalk for the VTOL function you mentioned, the battroid still needs more reason, but some of the stuff that article said makes sense. Although the stuff in that article makes sense, and I think mech experimentation and research may exist and we may one day have stuff like that, I think that picture at the top and that the military is that far on anything is probably fake. I doubt we would have anything that can be photographed on picture, and that photo looks like of CG, just fuzzied up in attempt to look real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Do we know if there was any real sf or literary inspiration for the Zentradi to be a race of giants? Are they based on anything interesting. Or did the producers just think that they would be a good idea? Or did having a race of giants in the series justify the Valks? Taksraven Actually the valks were created specifically to fight the Zentradi. The inspiration for the enemy alien humanoid giants must have come the old Sci-Fi American TV series "Land of the Giants" (1968). I used to watch re-runs of that show when I was a kid. It rocked, hehe... Edited May 23, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicKaze Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'm not sure the sex education question should be answered in this or the newbie thread... As for sci-fi in Macross...please continue. Hey, for plenty of Otaku "sex-education" might as well be science fiction!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Actually the valks were created specifically to fight the Zentradi. The inspiration for the enemy alien humanoid giants must have come the old Sci-Fi American TV series "Land of the Giants" (1968). I used to watch re-runs of that show when I was a kid. It rocked, hehe... wow, i didn't even know that such a series existed!! the difference with thisone is that the humans are technologically superior to the giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Actually the valks were created specifically to fight the Zentradi. The inspiration for the enemy alien humanoid giants must have come the old Sci-Fi American TV series "Land of the Giants" (1968). I used to watch re-runs of that show when I was a kid. It rocked, hehe... The idea of humans vs. giants goes back WAAAAAAY before 1968...earliest known would probably be Sumerian mythology... Either that, or Studio Nue managed to build a workable time machine, go forward in time, and see "Honey, I Blew Up the Baby," and came back and worked it into their show. The only hole I can find in that theory is that if they had gone into the future, they would've known never to let Harmony Gold have anything to do with Macross... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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