lebhead Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030925...001048-mai-soci from what i can make out, this article talks about Macross and Tatsunoko. i'm pretty illeterate in Japanese these days, so i was hoping somebody could translate it for me. i think it has something to do with the court ruling, but i'm not sure. sorry if this has already posted. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Well here is what babblefish has to say: < Animation > " ƒ}ƒNƒƒX " copyright 2 making clear on child side of dragon Tokyo high court Popularity television animation " super spatial-temporal fortress (the way occasion) centering on the copyright of the ƒ}ƒNƒƒX ", " the child production of production company dragon " (Tokyo Kokubunji city) with the plan company " the studio ‚Ê you obtained " and (Nerima Ku) decision of the lawsuit which is disputed on the 25th, was Tokyo high court. As for the Yamashita Kazuaki President of the Court " child side of the dragon had owed economic responsibility e.g., animation is made to complete to the time limit, " doing, Tokyo district court decision (January) it continued, it recognized the fact that it is copyright on child side of the dragon. With another lawsuit, as for copyright in the design of the characters and the like, the decision which we assume there is on a ‚Ê obtaining side, has decided, reversion of copyright divided with the character which had become the animation work and the foundation. < Kobayashi direct > (Everyday the newspaper) Looks like engrish.com won't be going out of business any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 it recognized the fact that it is copyright on child side of the dragon I don't know who this dragon is, but I wouldn't want to piss him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Right back where we started...not knowing what's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebhead Posted October 1, 2003 Author Share Posted October 1, 2003 i believe whenever babblecrap mentions "child side of the dragon" they are talking about Tatsunoko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Hmm, looks like it probably says Tatsunoko still has copyright on the TV series, & Nue owns the copyright on the characters & concepts. i.e. the usual outcome. "Hopefully" this part: "the decision which we assume that sew there is on a side, has decided, reversion of copyright divided with the character which had become the animation work and the foundation." means that Tatsunoko has to split the copyright with Nue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 babelfish is always funny. great source of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 It is probably safe to say this now, but I was told a few months ago that another ruling was to be handed down by the Tokyo Circuit Court regarding the Big West vs. Tatsunoko case sometime in September or October. Maybe this news piece has to do with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estacado06479 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 well, we had someone who had the time and inclination to translate this, but we ran her off... <_< so i guess we stick with babelfish's dragon explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis120 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Well here is what babblefish has to say:< Animation > " ƒ}ƒNƒƒX " copyright 2 making clear on child side of dragon Tokyo high court Popularity television animation " super spatial-temporal fortress (the way occasion) centering on the copyright of the ƒ}ƒNƒƒX ", " the child production of production company dragon " (Tokyo Kokubunji city) with the plan company " the studio ‚Ê you obtained " and (Nerima Ku) decision of the lawsuit which is disputed on the 25th, was Tokyo high court. As for the Yamashita Kazuaki President of the Court " child side of the dragon had owed economic responsibility e.g., animation is made to complete to the time limit, " doing, Tokyo district court decision (January) it continued, it recognized the fact that it is copyright on child side of the dragon. With another lawsuit, as for copyright in the design of the characters and the like, the decision which we assume there is on a ‚Ê obtaining side, has decided, reversion of copyright divided with the character which had become the animation work and the foundation. < Kobayashi direct > (Everyday the newspaper) Looks like engrish.com won't be going out of business any time soon. Yeah, anyone that knows another language gets a laugh when they see something translated with something like babelfish (I know Spanish). But it doesn't actually tell us anything (babelfish crap, although this is worse than usual). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 (edited) Here's an alternate translation I got using http://nifty.amikai.com/amitext/index2.jsp copyright 2 審 are also the child sides of a dragon. Tokyo High Court Judgment of the lawsuit for which the work company "the child production of a dragon" (Kokubunji-shi, Tokyo) and the plan company "studio ぬえ" (Nerima-ku) fought over the copyright of popular television animation "super-space-time fort (when like) MACROSS" was the Tokyo High Court on the 25th. Presiding Judge Kazuaki Yamashita admitted that copyright was in the child side of a dragon following the Tokyo District Court judgment (January) as "the child side of a dragon was [ economical ] responsible, such as completing animation by the term,." By another lawsuit, the copyright of patterns, such as characters, could be sewn, the judgment it is supposed that it is in a side had decided it, and attribution of copyright was divided in the character used as an animation work and its foundation. [Tadashi Kobayashi] (Mainichi Newspapers) Edit: I'm guessing that "Tatsu no ko" means something like "child of dragon". Edit2: Yup, "tatsu" is "dragon" in Japanese. Edited October 1, 2003 by ewilen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Right back where we started...not knowing what's happening. Seriously. At this point discussing the matter is useless, and we'd be better off banging our heads against Valkyrie-Exchanges' empty 1/48 Fast-Pak shelves. Heck, Macross is basically contraband here in the 'States, yet I am still able to buy my Valkyries, M0 episodes and whatnot, so I see no reason to even care about any judgements regarding the rights. Sure, I won't be able to catch the Low Visibility Valkyrie at a K-mart Blue Light Special sale, but I think I can live with that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Edit: I'm guessing that "Tatsu no ko" means something like "child of dragon".Edit2: Yup, "tatsu" is "dragon" in Japanese. Odd.... all my dictionaries list tatsu as "stand" or "be built", and Ryu as dragon. But Tatsu no ko means "child of *insert whatever tatsu means here*" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I could easily be wrong, but I did a few Google lookups and from what I see, both "tatsu" and "ryu" mean dragon, but "ryu" may be the more common word. Consider "dragon" & "wyrm" in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shade Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Where's our resident ass-kicking ace Quadrono pilot when we really need her? Help us poor souls please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I could easily be wrong, but I did a few Google lookups and from what I see, both "tatsu" and "ryu" mean dragon, but "ryu" may be the more common word. Consider "dragon" & "wyrm" in English. I kind of figured. I suppose Ruy is the more traditional chinese dragon while tatsu is the european dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Basically it says round 2 of this ongoing lawsuit has gone to Tatsunoko yet again. However in another seperate lawsuit, the rights to the original characters and designs used in the series has been awarded to Studio Nue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Tatsu is the true Japanese word for dragon. Ryuu is the Japanese by way of Chinese word for dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Tatsu is the true Japanese word for dragon. In connection to the company, Tatsunoko means "Tatsu's Children." This is referring to company founder Tatsuo Yoshida and the titles (i.e. Mach Go-Go-Go, Kagaku Ninjatai Gatchaman, etc.) being his creations (or literally, his "children"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Yep, "tatsu" is dragon, and "Tatsu no Ko" (lit. Dragon's child) is the Japanese word for "seahorse." But yeah, it looks like Tatsunoko has the rights to the animation, and Big West has the rights to the characters and story ideas. How this will play out in the eventual assualt on HG is unclear to me, but then, i know almost nothing about law... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 So...if I understand this correctly...and I don't claim that I do...the copyright of the animation was awarded to the dragon's child (Tatsunuko) where in a seperate suit, the copyright of the patterns was awarded to plan company "studio ‚Ê‚¦ (Studio Nue). In other words, this is the same ruling that we heard about ages ago. <_< Which puts us right back where we started: confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Tatsu is the true Japanese word for dragon.Ryuu is the Japanese by way of Chinese word for dragon. Thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Calling all Japanese speakers, Calling all Japanese speakers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estacado06479 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 so then NUE means schwa E in english? so its studio schwa e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) so then NUE means schwa E in english? If you're refering to my post, then the answer is no. I tried cutting and pasting the character out of ewilen's post, but my PC didn't like it and spat out the schwa E instead. Edited October 2, 2003 by bsu legato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Tatsu is the true Japanese word for dragon.Ryuu is the Japanese by way of Chinese word for dragon. Thanks for clearing that up. Here's one more I think you might like... -- ware wa muteki nari! wa ga kagewaza ni kanau mono nashi! wa ga ichigeki wa muteki nari! Kagewaza? Sounds like shadow skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abombz!! Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) Tatsu is the true Japanese word for dragon.Ryuu is the Japanese by way of Chinese word for dragon. Thanks for clearing that up. Here's one more I think you might like... -- ware wa muteki nari! wa ga kagewaza ni kanau mono nashi! wa ga ichigeki wa muteki nari! Kagewaza? Sounds like shadow skill. Ah! Finally!! Someone who is able to spell the damn Kasapo chant right!! Thank you very much!! Yes... its Shadow Skill. I have been looking for the R2 release as the boot set I have has terrible sound. <_< Edited October 2, 2003 by Abombz!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 LOL, that article did NOTHING to clear the situation up... even if it WAS in good english, I doubt anything new or groundbreaking would come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 As many people that are on here, one would figure one of us would at least know someone who can read Japanese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePoseur Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) OK, OK, here you are... not as good as any Meltrans we might know (miss ya girl), but here's the best I can do while I'm hiding my monitor from my boss. Long story short, this appeal to the earlier January ruling couldn't overturn it, leaving Tatsunoko with the rights to the animation. So Keith's basicly right, nothing has changed, except that we can pretty much guess that nothing more will. After losing the first case and the appeal I can't really see Studio Nue pushing it any farther. Tatsunoko Pro = Original Macross TV Show footage Studio Nue = Character and Mecha designs and everything else Macross (7, +, 0, etc.) Here's the whole thing.. check my work. Tokyo High Court Sides with Tatsunoko Again on Macross Copyrights The suit between production house Tatsunoko Productions and animation house Studio Nue contesting the ownership of copyrights to the popular TV Animation Super Dimension Space Fortress Macross was settled by the Tokyo High Court on the 25th (of September 2003). In remuneration for Tatsunoko Productions' work in bringing the series in under deadline and handling financial aspects Presiding Judge Yamashita Kazuaki (not sure on the given name) upheld the earlier January verdict that had awarded them the rights. (The second line in this paragraph actually has a quote, but I'm too rushed, and lazy, to spend the time properly phrasing it, hence it was paraphrased into the sentence). In another suit the copyright to the character and mechanical designs was awarded to Studio Nue, splitting the copyright to the show from the rights to the designs that were returned (to Studio Nue). Kobayashi from the Mainichi Shinbun (Sept. 25th 1:17pm) uƒ}ƒNƒƒXv’˜ìŒ @‚QR‚à—³‚ÌŽq‘¤‚É@“Œ‹ž‚Ù @l‹CƒeƒŒƒrƒAƒjƒ[ƒVƒ‡ƒ“u’´Žž‹ó—vÇi‚悤‚³‚¢jƒ}ƒNƒƒXv‚Ì’˜ìŒ ‚ð„‚èA§ì‰ïŽÐu—³‚ÌŽqƒvƒƒ_ƒNƒVƒ‡ƒ“vi“Œ‹ž“s‘•ªŽ›Žsj‚ÆŠé‰æ‰ïŽÐuƒXƒ^ƒWƒI‚Ê‚¦vi—û”n‹æj‚ª‘ˆ‚Á‚½‘iׂ̔»Œˆ‚ª‚Q‚T“úA“Œ‹ž‚Ù‚Å‚ ‚Á‚½BŽR‰º˜a–¾Ù”»’·‚ÍuŠúŒÀ‚܂łɃAƒjƒ‚ðŠ®¬‚³‚¹‚é‚È‚ÇŒoÏ“IÓ”C‚𗳂̎q‘¤‚ª•‰‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚½v‚Æ‚µ‚ÄA“Œ‹ž’nÙ”»Œˆi‚PŒŽj‚É‘±‚«A—³‚ÌŽq‘¤‚É’˜ìŒ ‚ª‚ ‚邱‚Æ‚ð”F‚ß‚½B @•Ê‚Ì‘iׂÅA“oêl•¨‚È‚Ç‚Ì}•¿‚Ì’˜ìŒ ‚ÍA‚Ê‚¦‘¤‚É‚ ‚é‚Æ‚·‚é”»Œˆ‚ªŠm’肵‚Ä‚¨‚èAƒAƒjƒì•i‚Æ‚»‚ÌŠî‘b‚Æ‚È‚Á‚½ƒLƒƒƒ‰ƒNƒ^[‚Å’˜ìŒ ‚Ì‹A‘®‚ª•ª‚©‚ꂽBy¬—Ñ’¼zi–ˆ“úV•·j [9ŒŽ25“ú13Žž17•ªXV] Edited October 2, 2003 by LePoseur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I can live with that. Most importantly, it means HG can't go around trying to claim rights to anything after the TV series (which is what we want). Hopefully Big West will take this to head with HG, bitch slap them down, and maybe, just maybe, we'll see a 2-3 episode volume release of Macross Zero by the time the 5th episode comes out in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 super spatial-temporal fortress is a name i like. it seems so roomy with lots of expansion. longs HG doesnt make us smuggle macross products to the states by speedboat or ultralight plane im happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis! Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I can live with that. Most importantly, it means HG can't go around trying to claim rights to anything after the TV series (which is what we want). Hopefully Big West will take this to head with HG, bitch slap them down, and maybe, just maybe, we'll see a 2-3 episode volume release of Macross Zero by the time the 5th episode comes out in Japan. I really hope that eventually happens So , in short this means Studio Nue has the rights to all the designs , meaning the damn UN symbol (which is present in all macross series) is theirs , so there should be no problem with sequels. Man , I'm so tired of waiting , I whish this will bring something good even if it's old news... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 OK, OK, here you are... not as good as any Meltrans we might know (miss ya girl), but here's the best I can do while I'm hiding my monitor from my boss. Long story short, this appeal to the earlier January ruling couldn't overturn it, leaving Tatsunoko with the rights to the animation. So Keith's basicly right, nothing has changed, except that we can pretty much guess that nothing more will. After losing the first case and the appeal I can't really see Studio Nue pushing it any farther. Tatsunoko Pro = Original Macross TV Show footage Studio Nue = Character and Mecha designs and everything else Macross (7, +, 0, etc.) Here's the whole thing.. check my work. Tokyo High Court Sides with Tatsunoko Again on Macross Copyrights The suit between production house Tatsunoko Productions and animation house Studio Nue contesting the ownership of copyrights to the popular TV Animation Super Dimension Space Fortress Macross was settled by the Tokyo High Court on the 25th (of September 2003). In remuneration for Tatsunoko Productions' work in bringing the series in under deadline and handling financial aspects Presiding Judge Yamashita Kazuaki (not sure on the given name) upheld the earlier January verdict that had awarded them the rights. (The second line in this paragraph actually has a quote, but I'm too rushed, and lazy, to spend the time properly phrasing it, hence it was paraphrased into the sentence). In another suit the copyright to the character and mechanical designs was awarded to Studio Nue, splitting the copyright to the show from the rights to the designs that were returned (to Studio Nue). Kobayashi from the Mainichi Shinbun (Sept. 25th 1:17pm) uƒ}ƒNƒƒXv’˜ìŒ @‚QR‚à—³‚ÌŽq‘¤‚É@“Œ‹ž‚Ù @l‹CƒeƒŒƒrƒAƒjƒ[ƒVƒ‡ƒ“u’´Žž‹ó—vÇi‚悤‚³‚¢jƒ}ƒNƒƒXv‚Ì’˜ìŒ ‚ð„‚èA§ì‰ïŽÐu—³‚ÌŽqƒvƒƒ_ƒNƒVƒ‡ƒ“vi“Œ‹ž“s‘•ªŽ›Žsj‚ÆŠé‰æ‰ïŽÐuƒXƒ^ƒWƒI‚Ê‚¦vi—û”n‹æj‚ª‘ˆ‚Á‚½‘iׂ̔»Œˆ‚ª‚Q‚T“úA“Œ‹ž‚Ù‚Å‚ ‚Á‚½BŽR‰º˜a–¾Ù”»’·‚ÍuŠúŒÀ‚܂łɃAƒjƒ‚ðŠ®¬‚³‚¹‚é‚È‚ÇŒoÏ“IÓ”C‚𗳂̎q‘¤‚ª•‰‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚½v‚Æ‚µ‚ÄA“Œ‹ž’nÙ”»Œˆi‚PŒŽj‚É‘±‚«A—³‚ÌŽq‘¤‚É’˜ìŒ ‚ª‚ ‚邱‚Æ‚ð”F‚ß‚½B @•Ê‚Ì‘iׂÅA“oêl•¨‚È‚Ç‚Ì}•¿‚Ì’˜ìŒ ‚ÍA‚Ê‚¦‘¤‚É‚ ‚é‚Æ‚·‚é”»Œˆ‚ªŠm’肵‚Ä‚¨‚èAƒAƒjƒì•i‚Æ‚»‚ÌŠî‘b‚Æ‚È‚Á‚½ƒLƒƒƒ‰ƒNƒ^[‚Å’˜ìŒ ‚Ì‹A‘®‚ª•ª‚©‚ꂽBy¬—Ñ’¼zi–ˆ“úV•·j [9ŒŽ25“ú13Žž17•ªXV] Thank you very much for a clear interpretation...finally. So the original Macross will never be available for distribution outside Japan because Tatsunoko has legal ownership of the Television Series due to their financial involvment. However, the rest of the Macross franchise belongs to Big West, since Studio Nue has legal ownership of the character/mecha designs and because Tatsunoko had nothing to do with 99% of the rest of the franchise. So does this mean there will never be a dubbed version of the Macross tv series? Does this mean that DYRL? is still a possibility, since that's oiuytside the "tv series" ownership? Does this mean the rest of the Macross franchise is free and clear for international distribution? Just trying to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I'm sorry. I must have missed something. Where does it say that SN has the rights to the derivatives? I didn't see that in the article and I haven't read a court ruling that indicates so. So far the only concrete fact is that TP owns the copyright to the animated footage of SDF-Macross and SN owns the designs of SDF-Macross. I would love to see the derivative rights settled conclusively. vinnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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