Keith Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Spiritia is most definately a quantifiable/measureable energy. Anima Spiritia again being a specific "pure" type of it. As for the posative & negative thing, its only been shown to have been generated by posative actions, otherwise (as said) the Protodevin would have been able to sustain themselves. Basara however wasn't the only member of Sound Force capable of generated it, he was just the most powerful member (and obviously as such, Sivil's target). It was pretty much stated though that anyone is capable of generated Anima Spiritia, it just requires a strong conviction to do so. The process again however was: -Person generates spiritia -Sound Energy Converter (vest aparatus) acts as a bridge to draw that energy out into a more focusable form. -Sound Boosters amplify that energy & allow direction of it. As for the whole culture shock thing, that's an entirely different matter. It literally was a confused emotion due to being exposed to something new. It however wasn't what won the war against the Zentradi. To put it more simply, the culture shock may have peaked their interst towards Earth culture, but it was experiencing the emotions attached which caused the unrest in the Britai Adoclas fleet. Had it just been a simple matter of culture shock (not the 3 spies going & experiencing human culture, then sharing it with their friends), it would have worn off, and they still would have killed everyone. But feeling those emotions, and wanting to feel more prompted them to turn against Bodolza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) As for the whole culture shock thing, that's an entirely different matter. It literally was a confused emotion due to being exposed to something new. It however wasn't what won the war against the Zentradi. To put it more simply, the culture shock may have peaked their interst towards Earth culture, but it was experiencing the emotions attached which caused the unrest in the Britai Adoclas fleet. Had it just been a simple matter of culture shock (not the 3 spies going & experiencing human culture, then sharing it with their friends), it would have worn off, and they still would have killed everyone. But feeling those emotions, and wanting to feel more prompted them to turn against Bodolza. I'd like to add that the Zentradi and the Protodevlins aren't stupid creatures. They're just not used to the concept of peace, or it's better to nurture Spiritia with Anima Spiritia than taking it by force. Culture shocks that are used merely to shock will not work effectively ie:- porn or the Ms Macross beauty contest. It has to also have the concept of peace, love and co-existance in those culture shocks that enemy can relate and adapt to - this has been evident throughout the Macross stories. Same goes for all the songs and their meanings in shows. William Hung's SHE BANG, might work for a while but the enemy will not understand. The humans never won any war in SDF Macross, Mac 2 or M7; the enemy stopped fighting because it's a great idea. Macross Plus is the only expection - maybe that's why it's not canon. Edited May 7, 2004 by Beware of Blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 The humans never won any war in SDF Macross, Mac 2 or M7; the enemy stopped fighting because it's a great idea. Macross Plus is the only expection - maybe that's why it's not canon. Its not? Anyway, I agree with most of what Keith said except the "everyone can generate Anima Spiritia" bit. When the Varautan "vampires" scan their targets for spiritia, all of them have different classifications of spiritia, very much like Blood types. IE: Basara always has Anima Spiritia but its just the intencity of it that differs when he is singing or not singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) Mac + is canon. Mac 2 is not because they have taken Kawamori's baby and done stuff to it. Anyway, I agree with most of what Keith said except the "everyone can generate Anima Spiritia" bit. When the Varautan "vampires" scan their targets for spiritia, all of them have different classifications of spiritia, very much like Blood types. IE: Basara always has Anima Spiritia but its just the intencity of it that differs when he is singing or not singing. Anyone who is passionate when doing something generates Anima Spiritia. Basara just stood out the most. His spiritia level is probably the same as anybody else in City 7, that's why he wasn't specifically targetted for it. Edited May 7, 2004 by Beware of Blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Plus is canon the one that it is not is Macross 2, I think the Zentradi affected with culture shock assimilated parts of Earth's culture, it is a very interesting thing, the power of culture that can actually be seen around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Focker Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Plus is canon the one that it is not is Macross 2, I thinkthe Zentradi affected with culture shock assimilated parts of Earth's culture, it is a very interesting thing, the power of culture that can actually be seen around the world. Holy Blasphemy! Who dares say Macross Plus is not canon?! Anyways, Macross II is up to debate. Some say it is not canon, others say it's a "canon" alternate timeline / alternate universe. So I say, everyone can see MII as they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Here goes this one cause I also like trashing up things I like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 And for you Millia fans... by the way the one on the chair is Max... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 And for you Millia fans...by the way the one on the chair is Max... Max: *fap fap fap fap fap * Anyone who is passionate when doing something generates Anima Spiritia. Basara just stood out the most. His spiritia level is probably the same as anybody else in City 7, that's why he wasn't specifically targetted for it. No...its already proven that only Basara has Anima Spiritia in M7. Anima Spiritia is unique to certain individuals, as Exedol translated from the temple ruins and further explains that its probably what Sivil and the other white hairy dude was making a big deal of when they meet Basara and kept saying "ANIMA SPIRITIAAAAAA!!!" And it is only Basara's spiritia readings that make their scales go haywire. No one else in M7 generated Anima Spiritia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) No...its already proven that only Basara has Anima Spiritia in M7. Anima Spiritia is unique to certain individuals, as Exedol translated from the temple ruins and further explains that its probably what Sivil and the other white hairy dude was making a big deal of when they meet Basara and kept saying "ANIMA SPIRITIAAAAAA!!!"And it is only Basara's spiritia readings that make their scales go haywire. No one else in M7 generated Anima Spiritia. It's not only unique to Basara. His band mates have it as well. So do other people. The translation points to Anima Spiritia but didn't say it was Basara's. But because he was simply the most powerful with it in City 7, we were led to believe it's him. It's also that because of his ability to make positive and inspiring music, that he and SoundForce became the right counter offensive to the Macross 7 crisis. Edited May 7, 2004 by Beware of Blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Here goes this one cause I also like trashing up things I like... What a couple of girly men... Thats disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Spiritia is most definately a quantifiable/measureable energy. So what you're really saying is that Spiritia = Midichlorians. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Spiritia is most definately a quantifiable/measureable energy. So what you're really saying is that Spiritia = Midichlorians. Brilliant. HAHAHAHA The blistering sore on the ass of Star Wars and the blistering sore on the ass of Macross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Spiritia is most definately a quantifiable/measureable energy. So what you're really saying is that Spiritia = Midichlorians. Brilliant. I swear, someone was playing Parasite Eve when they came up with that midichlorian crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Here goes this one cause I also like trashing up things I like... ooh...i love this pic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 No...its already proven that only Basara has Anima Spiritia in M7. Anima Spiritia is unique to certain individuals, as Exedol translated from the temple ruins and further explains that its probably what Sivil and the other white hairy dude was making a big deal of when they meet Basara and kept saying "ANIMA SPIRITIAAAAAA!!!"And it is only Basara's spiritia readings that make their scales go haywire. No one else in M7 generated Anima Spiritia. It's not only unique to Basara. His band mates have it as well. So do other people. The translation points to Anima Spiritia but didn't say it was Basara's. But because he was simply the most powerful with it in City 7, we were led to believe it's him. It's also that because of his ability to make positive and inspiring music, that he and SoundForce became the right counter offensive to the Macross 7 crisis. Many factors confirm that only Basara has Anima Spiritia.....the others have strong spiritia but not particularly ANIMA spiritia. But most definitive way to find out: Go watch that episode where they found the protoculture temple. I am repeating this again, the temple ruins say that the protodevlin uprising was quelled by a group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia. If everyone had anima spiritia like what you said, everyone could beat a protodevlin even if they aren't as strong as Basara. You fail to understand that everyone has different spiritia types like different blood group types. The Vaurautan vampires scan their targets and classify them Spiritia A (which i guess stands for Anima), B , C, D or some sort of grade. When they scanned mylene, it was pretty normal level of a common type (she wasn't singing). But when they scanned Basara, they were like "ANIMA SPIRITIAAAA" and their gauges go over the roof. Even more so when he starts to sing. I have proven my assumption. Can you prove yours that everyone has anima spiritia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solscud007 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 You havend seen Space gundam, ( i think thats the name) it is a korean cartoon knock off where a hideous Valk that looks like it went thru a chinese bootleg makeover (i.e excessive body panels and ugly color scheme) fights a large rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macplus Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Here goes this one cause I also like trashing up things I like... I knew those 2 were a couple of sissies... I hope they're stoned to death, at least Basara, he probably seduced Gamlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Many factors confirm that only Basara has Anima Spiritia.....the others have strong spiritia but not particularly ANIMA spiritia.But most definitive way to find out: Go watch that episode where they found the protoculture temple. I am repeating this again, the temple ruins say that the protodevlin uprising was quelled by a group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia. If everyone had anima spiritia like what you said, everyone could beat a protodevlin even if they aren't as strong as Basara. You fail to understand that everyone has different spiritia types like different blood group types. The Vaurautan vampires scan their targets and classify them Spiritia A (which i guess stands for Anima), B , C, D or some sort of grade. When they scanned mylene, it was pretty normal level of a common type (she wasn't singing). But when they scanned Basara, they were like "ANIMA SPIRITIAAAA" and their gauges go over the roof. Even more so when he starts to sing. I have proven my assumption. Can you prove yours that everyone has anima spiritia? From your current post, I don't think you understand the difference between Spiritia and Anima Spiritia at all. And dude, you made Basara and gang sound god-like; this is something Macross characters are not all about. They are abnomalies yes, but never god-like. And the ones who are abnomalies ie:- Max Jenius, is severely lacking in other aspects of his live. Anima Spiritia is more or less like, and nothing more than a PR or streetsmart skills that made a better salesman - something that can be attained and improve upon with practice and experience. All the members of the Jaming birds, have what Basara had. They just lack experience. Had Basara not chosen to sing, the protodevlin uprising can still be quelled by ANY other group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia. It could even be Bobby. Had he worked harder and was not so concerned with getting his poon, tanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 My take on it is that 'spiritua' is a word for the energy you feel when doing something you are particularly passionate about. It's not some quantifiable form of energy, nor some mystical power. But don't we see "Spiritia" measured, quantified, transferred, and stored in the series itself? Those episodes do portray Spiritia as a sort of energy that does have quantity, whether it be mystical, life force, or what not. There's quite a lot to explain away or ignore within M7 to hold the stance that Spiritia *isn't* a quantifiable energy, especially when many segments in M7 go out of their way to portray it as just that. I'm kind of wondering if I've been watching the wrong episodes, or just not getting it... since the concept of Spiritia as quantifiable energy seems to be made pretty prominant and pretty clear. If Spiritia really isn't what the goodly chunks of the series portray it as-- quantifiable energy-- and it's not supposed to be considered such, even though it's shown time and time again as just that... then again, that points to possible Bad Storytelling. Or me being a clueless nit. It's my belief that the boosters aren't amplifying that power, they really are just electronic warfare equipment, but they get Soundforce's songs to the target, and in doing so it's just a matter of whether or not the target is moved by Basara's, Hrm, Keith seems to explain that the Sound Boosters amplify and channel Spiritia Energy, and that's exactly what the series itself says about them. Given Keith's dedication to, knowledge of, and passion for M7, I think I'm inclined to agree with him... which of course turns Spiritia into energy that is amplifiable, channelable, and quantifiable. Exactly as the series portrays... as opposed to some nebulous life-happy-energy-Force that's ever only felt, with no pseudo-scientific and measurable root cause. -Al I stand partially corrected, I poorly worded my post and for that I apologize. What I mean is, we never see Spiritua completely defined, certainly not as some mystical power. However, I can see where people get this impression, because everything about the Protoculture is given a somewhat mystical tilt to the way it's presented, wich is different from how they're portrayed in SDF and DYRL?. About the Soundboosters, I still stand by my view of them. They pretty clearly show this in the series, whenever they employ the 'Sound'boosters, they don't use speakerpods. The transmissions have to get to the target somehow, and Gavil is constantly employing different forms of counter-electronic warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 From your current post, I don't think you understand the difference between Spiritia and Anima Spiritia at all. And dude, you made Basara and gang sound god-like; this is something Macross characters are not all about. They are abnomalies yes, but never god-like. And the ones who are abnomalies ie:- Max Jenius, is severely lacking in other aspects of his live. I do understand the difference of Anima Spiritia and conventional spiritia. I already proven it with the different types of spiritia that the vampires harvest. Basara IS god-like. They portrayed him as such in M7 since he was the bane of all the protodeviln and he was the only one who could stand up to them. So he sorta fills in the "prophecy" (not really prophecy, but history) of the Anima Spiritia's role in the temple ruins. Anima Spiritia is more or less like, and nothing more than a PR or streetsmart skills that made a better salesman - something that can be attained and improve upon with practice and experience. All the members of the Jaming birds, have what Basara had. They just lack experience. I highly doubt that. Jamming birds being able to be trained to become as good as Mylene , Veffidas and Ray is very possible, yes. But they can't be trained into Basara. Like you said. He is an abnormaly. He is Anima Spiritia. Had Basara not chosen to sing, the protodevlin uprising can still be quelled by ANY other group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia. It could even be Bobby. Had he worked harder and was not so concerned with getting his poon, tanged. Does this mean that you think that the Protoculture created humans as Anima Spiritia to counter the protodeviln uprising? Remember that the Anima Spiritia were created to fight the protodeviln. If timeline serves correct, the protodeviln wars happened long before humans were discovered and then their evolution accelerated by the Protoculture. This proves humans were not the special race, Anima Spiritia that the protoculture created. Yes, sure. ANY other group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia can take them on if Basara had chosen not to sing. But you see, the problem here is ONLY BASARA has Anima Spiritia.....at least known to have Anima Spiritia. So as far as we are concerned, only HE can fight the protodeviln. Remember when Basara went off on his own because he didn't know what he was singing for? Mylene, Ray and Veffidas can hardly hold off on their own against the protodeviln. They had strong spiritia....but that alone can't defeat them.....until Basara comes in to save the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 wolfx, after reading your post, I gotta say this to you - We're talking about Macross 7. Not Dragonball Z, not Akira. I'm done man. As long as you enjoy M7, that's okay by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I'm inclined to agree with BoB about your interpretation of Anima Spiritia, wolfx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Azrael: Shrug...to each their own. Bob: But it was kinda annoying that I pulled scenes out to prove my points again and again, and you didn't. At least grab some scenes to prove your "everyone has anima spiritia" theory. I mean...I can be wrong and if I was I'd like to see where I went wrong. I'm more than open to change my mind. I mean, I said why I think Anima Spiritia was unique to Basara and took scenes out from M7 why I thought it was so. You said Anima Spiritia, everyone has it, so you should at least tell me what gave you that impression. Bah...but that's just me. I'm always up for a decent discussion. And yes we are talking about Macross 7. I proved Macross 7 with scenes from Macross 7, not from Dragonball Z or Akira. Its not a very hard concept to grasp that Basara was somehow "special", just like how Sarah and Minmay is special. (though the Minmay Culture Shock can be debated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Don't be annoyed wolfx, I didn't pull anything from the show because that would be boring. That would be like taking alot of things literally but missing the point all the same. If you can, trust me. Whatever I have posted for you, it's in the show. Anima spiritia is special, but it's not unachievable. Basara can manifest it better because he has the experience, and most of all, he had the courage, focus, conviction and faith. I'm not BS-ing here because it's been proven in a Discovery channel show (I forgot the show's name though) that scientific tests have been conducted on people while they are, praying, meditating, or doing something that required huge amount of focus - they all show abnormally positive active brain activity and even though they were in an almost trance-like state, they were very conscious of their immediate surroundings at the same time. Also, they all exhibit surprisingly normal heart beat rates, and calm breathing. People who attend live concerts have been known to produce more endorphins and adrenalin than just sitting next to a great song from nice set of speakers connected superb player. Kawamori is known to favor pulling ideas like these (from real world scientific findings) and put them into his anime - especially Macross. Why I say Anima Spiritia is special but yet the idea is not far-fetched, is because medical doctors often recommend loved ones of comatose patients to talk, touch and just be there with them - like generating Anima Spiritia. By doing so, the patients' Spiritia can be nurtured and heal on it's own. Sound familiar to a show now? Another example would be to find entertainment, or positive brain stimulants (Anima Spiritia) to fullfill one's emotional needs (Spiritia). I hope my answer is satisfactory. Edited May 8, 2004 by Beware of Blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Well....i don't wanna know stuff from discovery channel since its not related to M7 directly. Its totally out of scope i'd say. I'd rather know stuff from the show. Unless of course you can't think of any parts in the anime to support your claim. Then at least you could refute my claims that Anima Spiritia is not specific to Basara with the points I pointed out as not valid. Your post sounds so strangely religious and mystical.....but its not answering my question pertaining to Macross 7, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beware of Blast Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Sigh! padawan learner, ya gotta use da force. Not force it! Okay. Pulling stuff from the show... Go to the part where Mylene was kidnapped, where she encourage the rest of the human victims to sing with her. They are making their own Anima Spiritia. Suddenly, they're not so lethargic or sleepy (with renewned Spiritia) anymore. Go to the wards of the afflicted pilots. Kinryu has his Spiritia renewed! Mylene sang to replenish a dead Basara's Spiritia with her own brand of Anima Spiritia! Gamlin sang Fire bomber songs to gain zeal, thus, he fought bettar! Man... you are so boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I highly doubt that. Jamming birds being able to be trained to become as good as Mylene , Veffidas and Ray is very possible, yes. But they can't be trained into Basara. Like you said. He is an abnormaly. He is Anima Spiritia. I don't think you can "train" to do what Basara and Mylene did, kind of the point behind the Jamming Birds - attempting to harness song energy purely as a weapon was a spectacular failure. Yet, in the time of real need, the Mylene led Jamming Bird were able to generate it, if nowhere near on the scale that Mylene and Basara can. Song energy and normal Spiritia I think are a different thing from Anima Spirita though. My intepretation from watching the show was that Anima Spiritia was that it was a higher level of Spiritia, a more pure form that only Basara achieved in part because he is the one who for lack of a better way of saying it "truely gets it". Mylene is likely someone who could potentially become that, as she grew from not understanding to being someone almost as strong as Basara. Spiritia is something everybody contains. Anima Spiritia is for the exceptional - the heroes, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 From your current post, I don't think you understand the difference between Spiritia and Anima Spiritia at all. And dude, you made Basara and gang sound god-like; this is something Macross characters are not all about. They are abnomalies yes, but never god-like. And the ones who are abnomalies ie:- Max Jenius, is severely lacking in other aspects of his live. I do understand the difference of Anima Spiritia and conventional spiritia. I already proven it with the different types of spiritia that the vampires harvest. Basara IS god-like. They portrayed him as such in M7 since he was the bane of all the protodeviln and he was the only one who could stand up to them. So he sorta fills in the "prophecy" (not really prophecy, but history) of the Anima Spiritia's role in the temple ruins. Anima Spiritia is more or less like, and nothing more than a PR or streetsmart skills that made a better salesman - something that can be attained and improve upon with practice and experience. All the members of the Jaming birds, have what Basara had. They just lack experience. I highly doubt that. Jamming birds being able to be trained to become as good as Mylene , Veffidas and Ray is very possible, yes. But they can't be trained into Basara. Like you said. He is an abnormaly. He is Anima Spiritia. Had Basara not chosen to sing, the protodevlin uprising can still be quelled by ANY other group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia. It could even be Bobby. Had he worked harder and was not so concerned with getting his poon, tanged. Does this mean that you think that the Protoculture created humans as Anima Spiritia to counter the protodeviln uprising? Remember that the Anima Spiritia were created to fight the protodeviln. If timeline serves correct, the protodeviln wars happened long before humans were discovered and then their evolution accelerated by the Protoculture. This proves humans were not the special race, Anima Spiritia that the protoculture created. Yes, sure. ANY other group of special people (and an individual), who had Anima Spiritia can take them on if Basara had chosen not to sing. But you see, the problem here is ONLY BASARA has Anima Spiritia.....at least known to have Anima Spiritia. So as far as we are concerned, only HE can fight the protodeviln. Remember when Basara went off on his own because he didn't know what he was singing for? Mylene, Ray and Veffidas can hardly hold off on their own against the protodeviln. They had strong spiritia....but that alone can't defeat them.....until Basara comes in to save the day. Basara is not Godlike, I don't even feel they prortray him as such in the series. He's simply determined. It's not that he holds some mystical force that only the prophesized can have, he simply believes in his ideals. He has coniction, determination, and faith. Anyone else in the Macross universe could attain his musical skill, that's not what the Protedvlin feared, it was why he sung. That's the only thing special about him. Anyone sharing those ideals with his conviction could do what he did. People like that exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Song energy and normal Spiritia I think are a different thing from Anima Spirita though.My intepretation from watching the show was that Anima Spiritia was that it was a higher level of Spiritia, a more pure form that only Basara achieved in part because he is the one who for lack of a better way of saying it "truely gets it". Mylene is likely someone who could potentially become that, as she grew from not understanding to being someone almost as strong as Basara. Spiritia is something everybody contains. Anima Spiritia is for the exceptional - the heroes, basically. Anima spiritia is special, but it's not unachievable. Basara can manifest it better because he has the experience, and most of all, he had the courage, focus, conviction and faith. I'm not BS-ing here because it's been proven in a Discovery channel show... It's not that he holds some mystical force that only the prophesized can have, he simply believes in his ideals. He has coniction, determination, and faith. Anyone else in the Macross universe could attain his musical skill, that's not what the Protedvlin feared, it was why he sung. That's the only thing special about him. Anyone sharing those ideals with his conviction could do what he did. This would be close to what I believe Anima Spiritia is. It's not a god-like ability. To me, it's a state of mind. The amount of emotion Basara puts into his singing generates a substantial amount of Spiritia-energy. There is no doubt in his mind. The determination Basara puts into his singing is without a doubt, a lot. His mind is clear and focused. When you look at the rest of the group in Fire Bomber, they all seem to be lacking some degree of focus. Mylene is confused about who she loves and how to handle the situation. Ray, after the lost of Stephen, can't force himself to pull a gun or fight as he did. In an episode early in the series, Ray had a chance to pull the trigger on someone, yet he hesitated. Vefidas was wandering without a goal. She started out as a street fighter, wandering the galaxy fighting whoever stepped up to the plate. Basara doesn't seem to have that problem. There are times when the he loses his focus in the series (i.e. the test of the hero), yet he prevails eventually. I would say "doubt" is something Basara has very little of. In many hero stories, doubt is cased upon the hero as a test of his/her ability. If the hero passes, that doubt is accepted or eliminated, making the hero stronger or more determined. That idea is probably one thing that separates Anima Spiritia from normal Spiritia. It's not a god-like ability. It is the drive/emotion of the hero which separates him/her from the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Anima Spiritia is not something indiginous to Basara. Hell, he even taught Sivil, Gigil, & Gepelenitch to generate it. By all indications, what type of spiritia a person generates seems to be determined by what kind of effort & temperment they put into whatever they're doing. City construction workers are catagorized as having "Build" spiritia, etc. It's stated nowhere that only specific people can create it, just that it was discovered by the Protoculture that certain people generating Anima Spiritia helped fight the Protodevelin. Think of it in terms of hot sauce. Regular spiritia a light & tasty salsa, while Anima Spiritia is a super hot extra spicy 3rd degree burns to your tongue style salsa (in regards to effects on Protodevelin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) Basara is the only one that was refered as an Anima Spiritia on the whole serie. Basara was also the only one to generate a high level of Spiritia with no help from Sound Energy Converters/ Sound Boosters like Mylene. Edited to add: The Protodeviln become self generating Spiritia creatures in the end Edited May 8, 2004 by RichterX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Check this out, Mylene had a Chunky Monkey Max VF-1S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 (edited) And just cause I am on the putting childhood picture Here is one of Basara with his rumored dad add: I am sorry for the picture size... Edited May 8, 2004 by RichterX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Anima Spiritia is not something indiginous to Basara. Hell, he even taught Sivil, Gigil, & Gepelenitch to generate it. By all indications, what type of spiritia a person generates seems to be determined by what kind of effort & temperment they put into whatever they're doing. City construction workers are catagorized as having "Build" spiritia, etc. It's stated nowhere that only specific people can create it, just that it was discovered by the Protoculture that certain people generating Anima Spiritia helped fight the Protodevelin. Think of it in terms of hot sauce. Regular spiritia a light & tasty salsa, while Anima Spiritia is a super hot extra spicy 3rd degree burns to your tongue style salsa (in regards to effects on Protodevelin). I will have to watch the Protoculture temple episode again but I don't have my M7 episodes with me. I dumped the #ASS versions as the subtitles were horrendous. I had the smaller but uglier VHS encodes but had good subs but got rid of that too. I don't remember Sivil, Gigil, Gepelnitch produced Anima Spiritia. They produced spiritia later but but it wasn't anima spiritia specifically. I think I remember that "Build Spiritia" bit. Richterx: heh...that Basara's rumoured dad was from the tabloid pictures, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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